YOUR WAY, FORMER CONGRESSMAN, GOVERNOR, AMBASSADOR, BILL
RICHARDSON TEMPORARILY WITH US TONIGHT FROM BOSTON.LY WITH US
TONIGHT FROM BOSTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> I WANT TO BRING INTO THE
CONVERSATION, SPEAKING OF
EXPERTISE, AMBASSADOR WENDY
SHERMAN, SHE WAS AN UNDER
SECRETARY OF STATE FOR POLITICAL
AFFAIRS IN THE YEAR 2000 WHEN
MADELEINE ALBRIGHT BECAME THE FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE TOHE
FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE TO VISIT NORTH KOREA.
WENDY SHERMAN WAS THERE ON THAT TRIP. SHERMAN WAS THERE ON THAT
TRIP.
SHES ALSO A FORMER POLICY COORDINATOR IN THE CLINTON
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.U FOR BEING WITH US
TONIGHT.
ITS A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE YOU HERE. PRIVILEGE TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, RACHEL. >> YOUVE BEEN THROUGH THE WARS.
>> YOUVE BEEN THROUGH THE WARS WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATING
WITH NORTH KOREA, LOTS OF
DIFFERENT INSTANCES.
AND YOUVE SEEN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT NORTH KOREA
HAS CHEATED AND TALKED THEIR WAY
OF THINGS THAT THEY PREVIOUSLY
TALKED THEIR WAY INTO. DO YOU THINK THAT THE APPROACH
THAT YOUVE SEEN TONIGHT FROM
THE PRESIDENT AND THIS
ADMINISTRATION REFLECTS THOSE
LESSONS LEARNED?
>> RACHEL, I WAS SOMEONE WHO
SUPPORTED THIS MEETING BECAUSE
IN NORTH KOREAN CULTURE, AT
LEAST, AND I THINK SUE WOULD AGREE WITH THIS AND VICTOR, THAT
ONLY LEADERS MAKE DECISIONS
BECAUSE IN NORTH KOREA HE IS THE
ONLY ONE THAT MAKES DECISIONS. YES, HE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT THE
MILITARY AS GOVERNOR RICHARDSON
JUST SAID BUT THERE ISNT A FREE
PRESS, THERE ISNT A WE THE
PEOPLE, THERES NO ONE TO
CONSTRAIN HIM, EXCEPT FROM HIS
PERSPECTIVE THE UNITED STATES.
I AGREE ITS ALL ABOUT REGIME
SECURITY.
IN A VERY STRANGE WAY, THE INTERESTS OF DONALD TRUMP AND
THE INTERESTS OF KIM JONG-UN MAY
BE ALIGNED.
BE ALIGNED. KIM JONG-UN WANTS TO STAY IN
POWER, HES A YOUNG MAN.
IN NOVEMBER HE REALLY COMPLETED
HIS ARSENAL.
HIS ARSENAL. HE GOT HIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND
THE MEANS TO DELIVER THEM.
IN DECEMBER HE TOOK A TRIP UP
MOUNT PACTU, WHICH IS IN THE
NORTH KOREAN CULTURE, A SACRED
PLACE.
PLACE.
HE GOT TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN, HE GOT THERE IN HIS
DRESS SHOES WON WONDERS IN
DECEMBER, BUT IT IS SYMBOLIC TO
THE NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE THAT HE
WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN A GREAT NEW
ADVENTURE ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND HES BEEN PREPARING HIS
PEOPLE THERES GOING TO BE AN
OPENING TO AMERICA.
SO HE WANTS TO STAY IN POWER. AND AS YOU DISCUSSED ON THER.
AND AS YOU DISCUSSED ON THE PANEL TONIGHT, DONALD TRUMP
WANTS TO STAY IN POWER.
HE WANTS TO GET THROUGH THE 2018
MIDTERMS IN A BETTER WAY THAN
ANTICIPATED AND BE RE-ELECTED IN
2020.
2020.
WHETHER THE INTEREST OF THESE
TWO LEADERS WHO LIKE SURPRISES, LIKE TO ACT ON INSTINCTS, ATES,
LIKE TO ACT ON INSTINCTS, AT LEAST PRESIDENT TRUMP DOES, I
THINK KIM JONG-UN CAME WITH A
VERY PREPARED SCRIPT, THE
PRESIDENT NOT SO MUCH, BUT THERE
MAY BE AN ALIGNMENT OF INTERESTS
HERE THAT GETS US FURTHER THAN
WE HAVE GONE IN THE PAST.
BUT I AGREE WITH ALL THE
PANELISTS GETTING TO COMPLETE
DENUCLEARIZATION THAT CAN BE
VERIFIED, PERMANENT AND
IRREVERSIBLE, IS A VERY TOUGH
WRONG AND WILL TAKE A LONG
NEGOTIATION.
NEGOTIATION.
LAST POINT, RACHEL, THE IRAN
NEGOTIATION WHICH I WAS A PART
OF TOOK YEARS.
THE EUROPEANS BEGAN BEFORE THE
AMERICANS GOT INVOLVED.
IT BECAME SERIOUS FROM 2013 TO
2015.
IT TOOK TWO YEARS TO WRITE THOSE 110 PAGES AFTER MANY YEARS OFOSE
110 PAGES AFTER MANY YEARS OF FAILED ATTEMPTS.
FAILED ATTEMPTS. SO INTERESTS HAVE TO ALIGN, YOU
HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT MOMENT
AND THE RIGHT TEAM READY TO DO
IT.
IT.
I HAVENT SEEN THAT TEAM YET, I
HOPE IT EXISTS IN THE WINGS.
>> IM STRUCK BY WHAT YOU SAID
ABOUT HOW KIM JONG-UN HAS
ASSEMBLED HIS ARSENAL WITHIN THE PAST YEAR WEVE SEEN MORE THANTHE
PAST YEAR WEVE SEEN MORE THAN 20 MISSILE TESTS, THE WAY HE
CELEBRATED FOURTH OF JULY,
AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE DAY LAST
YEAR WAS WITH AN
INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC
INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILE, THE SIXTH AND MOST
RECENT NUCLEAR TEST IN NORTH
KOREA APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN A
HYDROGEN BOMB, WHICH IS A
DIFFERENT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE
THAN THE OTHER WEAPONS HE HAD
DETONATED.
DETONATED.
AFTER HE INVITED PRESIDENT TRUMP
TO THIS SUMMIT IN MARCH, IN
APRIL, KIM JONG-UN SAID HE NO LONGER NEEDED TO DO ANY MISSILE
TESTING OR NUCLEAR TESTING.
BASICALLY IMPLYING IT WAS DONE,
THEY PUT TOGETHER WHAT THEY
NEEDED SO THEY COULD GIVE UP
TESTING FOR NOW BECAUSE THEY DIDNT NEED TO DO IT ANYMORE.
IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT?
IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD SEE
AS SPIN?
AS SPIN? OR WAS HE ACCURATELY
REPRESENTING HIS COUNTRYS
ACHIEVEMENT AT THAT POINT?
>> I THINK HE WAS LETTING US
KNOW THAT HE FELT HE REACHED
THIS ACHIEVEMENT.
THIS ACHIEVEMENT. FOR HIM TO PERFECT HIS WEAPONS,
HE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO TEST.
THEM.
THEM.
TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE PIECES THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A
USABLE WEAPON.
USABLE WEAPON. THAT SAID, HE WAS REALLY
INCREASING THE NARRATIVE HE HAS
WITH HIS PEOPLE.
THAT HE HAS NOW GOTTEN THEM IN A
POWERFUL AND STRONG PLACE, WHERE
THE U.S. CANNOT ASSAIL THEM, THE
U.S. CANNOT DO THEM IN.
SO NOW HE IS READY TO OPEN HIS
COUNTRY A BIT TO YES, GET
ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE.
ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE. HES ALREADY STARTED SOME FREE
MARKET ENTERPRISES.
MARKET ENTERPRISES. IT WAS THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD
MOVE FORWARD, HE UNDERSTANDS
THAT NOW.
THAT NOW. HES GONE TO CHINA, WHICH HAS
FOR A LONG TIME TRIED TO GET
NORTH KOREAN TO ENGAGE IN THE
ECONOMIC REFORMS DONE IN CHINA.
SO HE IS SAYING TO US, TO THE
WORLD, WEVE SEEN HOW HES HAD
THIS DIPLOMATIC ENTREE ALL OVER
THE WORLD NOW.
AND I THINK PUTIN WILL BE NEXT
ON THE AGENDA TO SAY WERE AT A
DIFFERENT POINT IN OUR HISTORY
IM GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN HES READY
TO GIVE UP HIS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
DURING THE TIME OF PRESIDENT
CLINTON AND SECRETARY OLBRIGHTS
TRIP TO NORTH KOREA, THEY
BELIEVED THE SUNSHINE POLICY
WOULD BE THEY CRACK THE DOOR A
LITTLE BIT AND THEY COULD GO ALL
THE WAY THROUGH AND CHANGE
THINGS.
THINGS.
IT DIDNT WORK OUT. THERE WAS A CHANGE IN
ADMINISTRATION IN OUR COUNTRY
AND THEIR COUNTRY.
AND CONTINUITY IN FOREIGN POLICY
ISNT JUST A PROBLEM IN THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. ITS A PROBLEM IN NORTH KOREA.
AND CERTAINLY A PROBLEM IN SOUTH
KOREA AS WELL.
>> AMBASSADOR WENDY SHERMAN,