EVEN AS THE BOMBS CONTINUE TO
EVEN AS THE BOMBS CONTINUE TO FALL IN UKRAINE. THE
EVEN AS THE BOMBS CONTINUE TO FALL IN UKRAINE. THE PRO-PUTIN. FAR.
FALL IN UKRAINE. THE PRO-PUTIN. FAR. RIGHT IS ALIVE.
PRO-PUTIN. FAR. RIGHT IS ALIVE. IT‘S WELL
RIGHT IS ALIVE. IT‘S WELL AND ITS GLOBAL
IT‘S WELL AND ITS GLOBAL AND THAT SHOULD WORRY ALL OF
AND ITS GLOBAL AND THAT SHOULD WORRY ALL OF US
AND THAT SHOULD WORRY ALL OF US ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE UNITED
US ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. JOINING ME NOW IS RETIRED
STATES. JOINING ME NOW IS RETIRED ARMY LIEUTENANT. COLONEL
JOINING ME NOW IS RETIRED ARMY LIEUTENANT. COLONEL ALEXANDER VIN, MAN. HE‘S THE
ARMY LIEUTENANT. COLONEL ALEXANDER VIN, MAN. HE‘S THE FORMER DIRECTOR FOR EUROPEAN
ALEXANDER VIN, MAN. HE‘S THE FORMER DIRECTOR FOR EUROPEAN AFFAIRS
FORMER DIRECTOR FOR EUROPEAN AFFAIRS FOR THE TRUMP NATIONAL
AFFAIRS FOR THE TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. CAME TO FAME
FOR THE TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. CAME TO FAME DURING DONALD TRUMP‘S FIRST
SECURITY COUNCIL. CAME TO FAME DURING DONALD TRUMP‘S FIRST IMPEACHMENT HEARING AND IS
DURING DONALD TRUMP‘S FIRST IMPEACHMENT HEARING AND IS AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR HERE,
IMPEACHMENT HEARING AND IS AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR HERE, RIGHT? MATTERS AND AMERICAN
AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR HERE, RIGHT? MATTERS AND AMERICAN STORY
RIGHT? MATTERS AND AMERICAN STORY K, MAN. THANKS FOR COMING BACK
STORY K, MAN. THANKS FOR COMING BACK ON THE SHOW.
K, MAN. THANKS FOR COMING BACK ON THE SHOW. YOU WERE BLASTED BY THE
ON THE SHOW. YOU WERE BLASTED BY THE AMERICAN FAR RIGHT FOR
YOU WERE BLASTED BY THE AMERICAN FAR RIGHT FOR BLOWING. THE WHISTLE ON
AMERICAN FAR RIGHT FOR BLOWING. THE WHISTLE ON TRUMP‘S PERFECT PHONE. CALL
BLOWING. THE WHISTLE ON TRUMP‘S PERFECT PHONE. CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT.
TRUMP‘S PERFECT PHONE. CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. YOU WERE ALSO STATIONED IN
WITH THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT. YOU WERE ALSO STATIONED IN RUSSIA AS A FOREIGN AREA
YOU WERE ALSO STATIONED IN RUSSIA AS A FOREIGN AREA OFFICERS FOR THE US ARMY
RUSSIA AS A FOREIGN AREA OFFICERS FOR THE US ARMY BACK WHEN PUTIN INVADED
OFFICERS FOR THE US ARMY BACK WHEN PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE,
BACK WHEN PUTIN INVADED UKRAINE, IN 2014.
UKRAINE, IN 2014. YOU NOW HAVE
IN 2014. YOU NOW HAVE PUTIN AND
YOU NOW HAVE PUTIN AND ALBAN
PUTIN AND ALBAN DARLINGS OF THE GLOBAL
ALBAN DARLINGS OF THE GLOBAL FAR-RIGHT, EXTENDING THEIR
DARLINGS OF THE GLOBAL FAR-RIGHT, EXTENDING THEIR AUTOCRATIC REACH. WHAT IS IT
FAR-RIGHT, EXTENDING THEIR AUTOCRATIC REACH. WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR YOU? AS AN AMERICAN
AUTOCRATIC REACH. WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR YOU? AS AN AMERICAN BORN IN UKRAINE? AS A
LIKE FOR YOU? AS AN AMERICAN BORN IN UKRAINE? AS A JEWISH AMERICAN, AND AS A
BORN IN UKRAINE? AS A JEWISH AMERICAN, AND AS A FORMER SOLDIER
JEWISH AMERICAN, AND AS A FORMER SOLDIER WATCHING ALL OF THIS
FORMER SOLDIER WATCHING ALL OF THIS THIS UNFOLD?
WATCHING ALL OF THIS THIS UNFOLD? WELL, MUCH OF THIS WAR HAS
THIS UNFOLD? WELL, MUCH OF THIS WAR HAS BEEN A SLOW, SLOW MOVING
WELL, MUCH OF THIS WAR HAS BEEN A SLOW, SLOW MOVING TRAIN. WRECK FOR ME. I
BEEN A SLOW, SLOW MOVING TRAIN. WRECK FOR ME. I SAW
TRAIN. WRECK FOR ME. I SAW THIS WAR
SAW THIS WAR ON FOLDING MANY MONTHS AGO
THIS WAR ON FOLDING MANY MONTHS AGO AND WROTE ABOUT IT
ON FOLDING MANY MONTHS AGO AND WROTE ABOUT IT FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY. HOPING
AND WROTE ABOUT IT FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY. HOPING THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING TO
FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY. HOPING THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING TO AVOID IT.
THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING TO AVOID IT. NOW. THIS WAR IS UNFOLDING.
AVOID IT. NOW. THIS WAR IS UNFOLDING. IT‘S SHAPING UP TO BE A
NOW. THIS WAR IS UNFOLDING. IT‘S SHAPING UP TO BE A PROTRACTED WAR
IT‘S SHAPING UP TO BE A PROTRACTED WAR OVER THE COURSE OF
PROTRACTED WAR OVER THE COURSE OF WE‘VE SEEN IT UNFOLD OVER THE
OVER THE COURSE OF WE‘VE SEEN IT UNFOLD OVER THE COURSE OF SIX WEEKS. IT‘S
WE‘VE SEEN IT UNFOLD OVER THE COURSE OF SIX WEEKS. IT‘S GOING TO LAST MONTH‘S
COURSE OF SIX WEEKS. IT‘S GOING TO LAST MONTH‘S AND I THINK THE EXISTING
GOING TO LAST MONTH‘S AND I THINK THE EXISTING FISSURES IN EUROPE LIKE
AND I THINK THE EXISTING FISSURES IN EUROPE LIKE THESE POPULIST MOVEMENTS
FISSURES IN EUROPE LIKE THESE POPULIST MOVEMENTS IN HUNGARY.
THE INSTABILITY IN THE BALKANS
THE INSTABILITY IN THE BALKANS ARE GOING TO KIND OF START TO
THE INSTABILITY IN THE BALKANS ARE GOING TO KIND OF START TO BUBBLE UP TO THE SURFACE.
ARE GOING TO KIND OF START TO BUBBLE UP TO THE SURFACE. SO THE THE TEMPORARY RESPITE
BUBBLE UP TO THE SURFACE. SO THE THE TEMPORARY RESPITE OF
SO THE THE TEMPORARY RESPITE OF CONSOLIDATION AROUND
OF CONSOLIDATION AROUND DEMOCRACY,
CONSOLIDATION AROUND DEMOCRACY, EVEN FROM PLACES, LIKE
DEMOCRACY, EVEN FROM PLACES, LIKE VIKTOR ORBAN AND
EVEN FROM PLACES, LIKE VIKTOR ORBAN AND HUNGARY WAS A SHORT REPRIEVE
VIKTOR ORBAN AND HUNGARY WAS A SHORT REPRIEVE BASED ON, NOT THE INABILITY
HUNGARY WAS A SHORT REPRIEVE BASED ON, NOT THE INABILITY TO KIND OF
BASED ON, NOT THE INABILITY TO KIND OF NOT WITHSTAND THE FORCES OF
TO KIND OF NOT WITHSTAND THE FORCES OF THE REST OF EUROPE,
NOT WITHSTAND THE FORCES OF THE REST OF EUROPE, CONSOLIDATING IN OPPOSITION TO
THE REST OF EUROPE, CONSOLIDATING IN OPPOSITION TO PUTIN
CONSOLIDATING IN OPPOSITION TO PUTIN BARBARISM.
PUTIN BARBARISM. YOU KNOW,
BARBARISM. YOU KNOW, UNRESTRAINED AGGRESSION AND
YOU KNOW, UNRESTRAINED AGGRESSION AND BUT THESE THINGS ARE STILL
UNRESTRAINED AGGRESSION AND BUT THESE THINGS ARE STILL THERE.
BUT THESE THINGS ARE STILL THERE. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A
THERE. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A PRESIDENT THAT‘S BEEN IN POWER
I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A PRESIDENT THAT‘S BEEN IN POWER FOR
PRESIDENT THAT‘S BEEN IN POWER FOR A LONG TIME. HE‘S GOING
FOR A LONG TIME. HE‘S GOING INTO HIS FOURTH TERM.
A LONG TIME. HE‘S GOING INTO HIS FOURTH TERM. HE‘S BUILT A
INTO HIS FOURTH TERM. HE‘S BUILT A APPARATUS, BEN RHODES, PUT IT
HE‘S BUILT A APPARATUS, BEN RHODES, PUT IT BEAUTIFULLY
APPARATUS, BEN RHODES, PUT IT BEAUTIFULLY WITH ALL THIS ENTIRE
BEAUTIFULLY WITH ALL THIS ENTIRE APPARATUS APPARATUS AROUND
WITH ALL THIS ENTIRE APPARATUS APPARATUS AROUND HIM. IT‘S A PROPAGANDA MACHINE
APPARATUS APPARATUS AROUND HIM. IT‘S A PROPAGANDA MACHINE AT THIS POINT.
HIM. IT‘S A PROPAGANDA MACHINE AT THIS POINT. IT‘S NOT SOMETHING THAT‘S
AT THIS POINT. IT‘S NOT SOMETHING THAT‘S GOING TO BE EASILY
IT‘S NOT SOMETHING THAT‘S GOING TO BE EASILY OVERCOME.
GOING TO BE EASILY OVERCOME. AND WITH THIS,
OVERCOME. AND WITH THIS, THIS THIS
AND WITH THIS, THIS THIS TRAGIC EVENTS UNFOLDING IN
THIS THIS TRAGIC EVENTS UNFOLDING IN UKRAINE. SO WE THESE THINGS
TRAGIC EVENTS UNFOLDING IN UKRAINE. SO WE THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THE THINGS
UKRAINE. SO WE THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THE THINGS THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR US
ARE GOING TO BE THE THINGS THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR US GOING FORWARD. YES.
THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR US GOING FORWARD. YES. I DO NOT KNOW ONE OF THE
GOING FORWARD. YES. I DO NOT KNOW ONE OF THE IRONIES HERE. IS THAT
I DO NOT KNOW ONE OF THE IRONIES HERE. IS THAT PRIME MINISTER OR BAN IS ONE
IRONIES HERE. IS THAT PRIME MINISTER OR BAN IS ONE OF PUTIN‘S BIGGEST EUROPEAN
PRIME MINISTER OR BAN IS ONE OF PUTIN‘S BIGGEST EUROPEAN SUPPORTERS. IF NOT HIS BIGGEST
OF PUTIN‘S BIGGEST EUROPEAN SUPPORTERS. IF NOT HIS BIGGEST EUROPEAN SUPPORTER YET.
SUPPORTERS. IF NOT HIS BIGGEST EUROPEAN SUPPORTER YET. HUNGARY IS A
EUROPEAN SUPPORTER YET. HUNGARY IS A BENEFICIARY OF NATO EXPANSION.
HUNGARY IS A BENEFICIARY OF NATO EXPANSION. HUNGARY JOINED NATO IN 1999
BENEFICIARY OF NATO EXPANSION. HUNGARY JOINED NATO IN 1999 AND HERE IS THE HUNGARIAN
HUNGARY JOINED NATO IN 1999 AND HERE IS THE HUNGARIAN PRIME MINISTER NOW.
AND HERE IS THE HUNGARIAN PRIME MINISTER NOW. PRAISING PUTIN,
PRIME MINISTER NOW. PRAISING PUTIN, BLASTING ZALENSKI GIVING
PRAISING PUTIN, BLASTING ZALENSKI GIVING ITEMS TO BRUSSELS. WE‘VE
BLASTING ZALENSKI GIVING ITEMS TO BRUSSELS. WE‘VE TALKED SO MUCH IN THE PAST TWO
ITEMS TO BRUSSELS. WE‘VE TALKED SO MUCH IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS ABOUT NATO AND THE EU
TALKED SO MUCH IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS ABOUT NATO AND THE EU BEING STRONGER THAN EVER,
MONTHS ABOUT NATO AND THE EU BEING STRONGER THAN EVER, BUT HOW MUCH DAMAGE COULD ONE
BEING STRONGER THAN EVER, BUT HOW MUCH DAMAGE COULD ONE MEMBER STATE LIKE HUNGARY
BUT HOW MUCH DAMAGE COULD ONE MEMBER STATE LIKE HUNGARY UNDER
MEMBER STATE LIKE HUNGARY UNDER ORBAN DO? IF THEY WANTED TO
UNDER ORBAN DO? IF THEY WANTED TO PLAY SPOILER. WHAT IF THERE IS
ORBAN DO? IF THEY WANTED TO PLAY SPOILER. WHAT IF THERE IS AN ATTACK ON A NATO
PLAY SPOILER. WHAT IF THERE IS AN ATTACK ON A NATO MEMBER, GOD FORBID AND
AN ATTACK ON A NATO MEMBER, GOD FORBID AND ALL THAT, AND START SAYING IT
MEMBER, GOD FORBID AND ALL THAT, AND START SAYING IT WAS A FALSE FLAG BY
ALL THAT, AND START SAYING IT WAS A FALSE FLAG BY UKRAINE OR BY THE WEST. I
WAS A FALSE FLAG BY UKRAINE OR BY THE WEST. I MEAN, THERE‘S OBVIOUSLY MUCH
UKRAINE OR BY THE WEST. I MEAN, THERE‘S OBVIOUSLY MUCH UNITY IN THAT
MEAN, THERE‘S OBVIOUSLY MUCH UNITY IN THAT ALLIANCE.
UNITY IN THAT ALLIANCE. THAT‘S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AT
ALLIANCE. THAT‘S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AT NATO IS A
THAT‘S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AT NATO IS A CONSENSUS BASED ORGANIZATION.
NATO IS A CONSENSUS BASED ORGANIZATION. NO TAKES 30
CONSENSUS BASED ORGANIZATION. NO TAKES 30 STATES TO TAKE ACTION,
NO TAKES 30 STATES TO TAKE ACTION, BUT IT‘S, WE SHOULDN‘T
STATES TO TAKE ACTION, BUT IT‘S, WE SHOULDN‘T UNDERESTIMATE THE PRESSURE,
BUT IT‘S, WE SHOULDN‘T UNDERESTIMATE THE PRESSURE, THE MASSIVE PRESSURE THAT
UNDERESTIMATE THE PRESSURE, THE MASSIVE PRESSURE THAT THE EU AND NATO COULD BRING
THE MASSIVE PRESSURE THAT THE EU AND NATO COULD BRING TO BEAR ON
THE EU AND NATO COULD BRING TO BEAR ON HUNGRY. IT CANNOT AFFORD TO BE
TO BEAR ON HUNGRY. IT CANNOT AFFORD TO BE THE SOLE OUTLIER IN THE
HUNGRY. IT CANNOT AFFORD TO BE THE SOLE OUTLIER IN THE ALLIANCE. THAT‘S WHY IT‘S
THE SOLE OUTLIER IN THE ALLIANCE. THAT‘S WHY IT‘S RELUCTANTLY COME ON BOARD WITH
ALLIANCE. THAT‘S WHY IT‘S RELUCTANTLY COME ON BOARD WITH A LOT OF ACTIONS. NATO‘S
RELUCTANTLY COME ON BOARD WITH A LOT OF ACTIONS. NATO‘S TAKING THOSE FAR.
A LOT OF ACTIONS. NATO‘S TAKING THOSE FAR. I THINK ULTIMATELY IF THERE
TAKING THOSE FAR. I THINK ULTIMATELY IF THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT IF THERE WAS
I THINK ULTIMATELY IF THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT
WAS SIGNIFICANT IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PENALTY TO
A SIGNIFICANT PENALTY TO LEVI
PENALTY TO LEVI ON
LEVI ON OR BOND, AND THE
ON OR BOND, AND THE HUNGARIAN STATE
OR BOND, AND THE HUNGARIAN STATE THAT COULD
HUNGARIAN STATE THAT COULD CUT THEM OFF FROM THE EU
THAT COULD CUT THEM OFF FROM THE EU IN A WAY
CUT THEM OFF FROM THE EU IN A WAY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO
IN A WAY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS FOR THESE THINGS.
OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS FOR THESE THINGS. SO, THERE‘S NO WAY TO KICK
PRECEDENTS FOR THESE THINGS. SO, THERE‘S NO WAY TO KICK SOMEBODY OUT EASILY
SO, THERE‘S NO WAY TO KICK SOMEBODY OUT EASILY YOU, OR NATO THAT POINT
SOMEBODY OUT EASILY YOU, OR NATO THAT POINT IF EFFORT IN THAT DIRECTION,
YOU, OR NATO THAT POINT IF EFFORT IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT WOULD NOT BE
IF EFFORT IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN OR BRONZE, BEST INTEREST IN
THAT WOULD NOT BE IN OR BRONZE, BEST INTEREST IN THAT. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF
IN OR BRONZE, BEST INTEREST IN THAT. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD ACTUALLY
THAT. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BRING HIM ON BOARD. KEEP THEM
THINGS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BRING HIM ON BOARD. KEEP THEM ON SIDES. BUT IN GENERAL,
BRING HIM ON BOARD. KEEP THEM ON SIDES. BUT IN GENERAL, WE‘RE LIKELY TO SEE THESE
ON SIDES. BUT IN GENERAL, WE‘RE LIKELY TO SEE THESE FISSURES EXPAND AND THAT‘S WHY
WE‘RE LIKELY TO SEE THESE FISSURES EXPAND AND THAT‘S WHY THIS
FISSURES EXPAND AND THAT‘S WHY THIS ON OR BOND AND THE HUNGARIAN
THIS ON OR BOND AND THE HUNGARIAN STATE THAT COULD CUT THEM OFF
ON OR BOND AND THE HUNGARIAN STATE THAT COULD CUT THEM OFF FROM THE EU IN A WAY OR, YOU
STATE THAT COULD CUT THEM OFF FROM THE EU IN A WAY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS
FROM THE EU IN A WAY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR
KNOW, THERE ARE NO PRECEDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR QUITE SOME TIME
THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR QUITE SOME TIME ON THE
QUITE SOME TIME ON THE WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
ON THE WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAR
WAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAR COLONEL, YOU ADVOCATED FOR A
WAR COLONEL, YOU ADVOCATED FOR A KIND OF LEND-LEASE PROGRAM TO
COLONEL, YOU ADVOCATED FOR A KIND OF LEND-LEASE PROGRAM TO GET MILITARY HARDWARE AND
KIND OF LEND-LEASE PROGRAM TO GET MILITARY HARDWARE AND HUMANITARIAN AID INTO UKRAINE
GET MILITARY HARDWARE AND HUMANITARIAN AID INTO UKRAINE FAST. WE‘RE NOW IN WEEK
HUMANITARIAN AID INTO UKRAINE FAST. WE‘RE NOW IN WEEK 6, THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IS
FAST. WE‘RE NOW IN WEEK 6, THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IS BOGGED DOWN BUT STILL
6, THE RUSSIAN MILITARY IS BOGGED DOWN BUT STILL PUNISHING THE UKRAINIAN
BOGGED DOWN BUT STILL PUNISHING THE UKRAINIAN POPULACE. HAS YOUR VIEW
PUNISHING THE UKRAINIAN POPULACE. HAS YOUR VIEW CHANGED AT ALL ON WHAT UKRAINE
POPULACE. HAS YOUR VIEW CHANGED AT ALL ON WHAT UKRAINE NEEDS AND WHAT THE US SHOULD
CHANGED AT ALL ON WHAT UKRAINE NEEDS AND WHAT THE US SHOULD BE DOING. SENDING.
NEEDS AND WHAT THE US SHOULD BE DOING. SENDING. YOU KNOW, IT‘S
BE DOING. SENDING. YOU KNOW, IT‘S TO ME THIS ISN‘T JUST A REALLY
YOU KNOW, IT‘S TO ME THIS ISN‘T JUST A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO WATCH.
TO ME THIS ISN‘T JUST A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO WATCH. I, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING
DIFFICULT THING TO WATCH. I, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING THAT I WOULD BE WRONG THAT THE
I, YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING THAT I WOULD BE WRONG THAT THE RUSSIANS WOULD NOT RESORT TO
THAT I WOULD BE WRONG THAT THE RUSSIANS WOULD NOT RESORT TO BARBARISM AGAINST THIS COUSIN
RUSSIANS WOULD NOT RESORT TO BARBARISM AGAINST THIS COUSIN NATION THIS THE TIES
BARBARISM AGAINST THIS COUSIN NATION THIS THE TIES BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE
NATION THIS THE TIES BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE LONG,
BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE LONG, CENTURIES LONG,
LONG, CENTURIES LONG, BUT IN FACT, THEY PLAYED OUT
CENTURIES LONG, BUT IN FACT, THEY PLAYED OUT MUCH THE WAY I EXPECT THEM TO
BUT IN FACT, THEY PLAYED OUT MUCH THE WAY I EXPECT THEM TO AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE
MUCH THE WAY I EXPECT THEM TO AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE U.S. IS THERE, THE
AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE U.S. IS THERE, THE CRIES FOR
U.S. IS THERE, THE CRIES FOR FURTHER SUPPORT TO UKRAINE
CRIES FOR FURTHER SUPPORT TO UKRAINE ARE GOING TO INCREASE
FURTHER SUPPORT TO UKRAINE ARE GOING TO INCREASE I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING
ARE GOING TO INCREASE I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH THE BALTICS. WE COULD SEE
I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH THE BALTICS. WE COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH UKRAINE
WITH THE BALTICS. WE COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH UKRAINE WITH THE UK RATHER. THE
THAT HAPPENING WITH UKRAINE WITH THE UK RATHER. THE U.S. IS GOING TO IS GOING TO
WITH THE UK RATHER. THE U.S. IS GOING TO IS GOING TO GOING TO FOLLOW ALSO, AND
U.S. IS GOING TO IS GOING TO GOING TO FOLLOW ALSO, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CALLS
GOING TO FOLLOW ALSO, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CALLS THAT ARE JUST GO KNOCK
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CALLS THAT ARE JUST GO KNOCK THEM TO BE POSSIBLE FOR
THAT ARE JUST GO KNOCK THEM TO BE POSSIBLE FOR OUR RELUCTANT ADMINISTRATION
THEM TO BE POSSIBLE FOR OUR RELUCTANT ADMINISTRATION TO DISCOUNT TO DENY.
OUR RELUCTANT ADMINISTRATION TO DISCOUNT TO DENY. AND I THINK EVENTUALLY, WE
TO DISCOUNT TO DENY. AND I THINK EVENTUALLY, WE VERY WELL MAY GET TO THE WHAT
AND I THINK EVENTUALLY, WE VERY WELL MAY GET TO THE WHAT I WHAT I SAID IS WE
VERY WELL MAY GET TO THE WHAT I WHAT I SAID IS WE MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE
I WHAT I SAID IS WE MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE U.S. ACTUALLY
MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE U.S. ACTUALLY INSTITUTE‘S A NO-FLY ZONE
U.S. ACTUALLY INSTITUTE‘S A NO-FLY ZONE INSTEAD OF DOING THE THINGS
INSTITUTE‘S A NO-FLY ZONE INSTEAD OF DOING THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING
INSTEAD OF DOING THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS ESTABLISHING LEND-LEASE
WEEKS AGO, WHICH IS ESTABLISHING LEND-LEASE ESTABLISHING DEPOTS.
ESTABLISHING LEND-LEASE ESTABLISHING DEPOTS. GIVING UKRAINE THE ABILITY TO
ESTABLISHING DEPOTS. GIVING UKRAINE THE ABILITY TO DO THESE THINGS ON
GIVING UKRAINE THE ABILITY TO DO THESE THINGS ON OUR OWN, BUT WE WAITED SO LONG
DO THESE THINGS ON OUR OWN, BUT WE WAITED SO LONG THAT IT‘S JUST GOING TO BE
OUR OWN, BUT WE WAITED SO LONG THAT IT‘S JUST GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO
THAT IT‘S JUST GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO IT‘S
VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. SO IT‘S REALLY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH
IT‘S REALLY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH THIS UNFOLD
REALLY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH THIS UNFOLD WITH, WITH US SITTING ON THE
THIS UNFOLD WITH, WITH US SITTING ON THE SIDELINES AS LONG AS WE
WITH, WITH US SITTING ON THE SIDELINES AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BEING
SIDELINES AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BEING UNBELIEVABLY
POSSIBLY CAN BEING UNBELIEVABLY REAL. SO
UNBELIEVABLY REAL. SO REACTIVE.
REAL. SO REACTIVE. ON THAT NOTE, YOU MENTIONED
REACTIVE. ON THAT NOTE, YOU MENTIONED NO-FLY ZONE. SOME PEOPLE WERE
ON THAT NOTE, YOU MENTIONED NO-FLY ZONE. SOME PEOPLE WERE PUSHING AT THE START OF THIS
NO-FLY ZONE. SOME PEOPLE WERE PUSHING AT THE START OF THIS CONFLICT, QUITE LOUDLY FOR A
PUSHING AT THE START OF THIS CONFLICT, QUITE LOUDLY FOR A NO-FLY ZONE.
CONFLICT, QUITE LOUDLY FOR A NO-FLY ZONE. I KNOW YOU WERE PUSHING TO
NO-FLY ZONE. I KNOW YOU WERE PUSHING TO SEND FIGHTER JETS TO UKRAINE
I KNOW YOU WERE PUSHING TO SEND FIGHTER JETS TO UKRAINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT
SEND FIGHTER JETS TO UKRAINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT ISN‘T
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT ISN‘T THE HARD UNCOMFORTABLE? SAD,
ISN‘T THE HARD UNCOMFORTABLE? SAD, TRUTH OF THE MATTER THAT
THE HARD UNCOMFORTABLE? SAD, TRUTH OF THE MATTER THAT NEITHER NEITHER OF THOSE
TRUTH OF THE MATTER THAT NEITHER NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS
NEITHER NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS TRAGICALLY WOULD HAVE
THINGS TRAGICALLY WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE SORTS OF CRIMES
TRAGICALLY WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE SORTS OF CRIMES ON THE GROUND THAT THE
PREVENTED THE SORTS OF CRIMES ON THE GROUND THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE NOW BEING ACCUSED
ON THE GROUND THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE NOW BEING ACCUSED OF SUMMARY EXECUTIONS
RUSSIANS ARE NOW BEING ACCUSED OF SUMMARY EXECUTIONS RAPE TO STOP THAT. YOU WOULD
OF SUMMARY EXECUTIONS RAPE TO STOP THAT. YOU WOULD NEED U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND
RAPE TO STOP THAT. YOU WOULD NEED U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND NO ONE IS CALLING FOR THAT
NEED U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND NO ONE IS CALLING FOR THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU REALLY ARE IN
AND NO ONE IS CALLING FOR THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU REALLY ARE IN WORLD WAR 3.
THAT IT WOULDN‘T HAVE
THAT IT WOULDN‘T HAVE PREVENTED THESE INCIDENTS, BUT
THAT IT WOULDN‘T HAVE PREVENTED THESE INCIDENTS, BUT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS WAR
PREVENTED THESE INCIDENTS, BUT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS WAR OR IT COULD STILL BRING THIS
WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS WAR OR IT COULD STILL BRING THIS WAR TO SHARP CONCLUSION,
OR IT COULD STILL BRING THIS WAR TO SHARP CONCLUSION, WHICH IS IN FACT THAT
WAR TO SHARP CONCLUSION, WHICH IS IN FACT THAT THE HUMANE THING TO DO IS TO
WHICH IS IN FACT THAT THE HUMANE THING TO DO IS TO ARM UKRAINE. SO THEY COULD
THE HUMANE THING TO DO IS TO ARM UKRAINE. SO THEY COULD DEFEAT
ARM UKRAINE. SO THEY COULD DEFEAT IN DETAIL THE RUSSIAN ARMY
DEFEAT IN DETAIL THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND
IN DETAIL THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND FORCE ARE
AND FORCE ARE A PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING
FORCE ARE A PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE RIGHT NOW.
A PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE RIGHT NOW. THAT‘S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW
TABLE RIGHT NOW. THAT‘S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THE THE PROPAGANDA
THAT‘S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THE THE PROPAGANDA IS ABOUT A
THE THE PROPAGANDA IS ABOUT A IMMINENT VICTORY
IS ABOUT A IMMINENT VICTORY THAT UKRAINE‘S BEING CRUSHED
IMMINENT VICTORY THAT UKRAINE‘S BEING CRUSHED IT‘S BEING, IT‘S
THAT UKRAINE‘S BEING CRUSHED IT‘S BEING, IT‘S UNDERPERFORMING
IT‘S BEING, IT‘S UNDERPERFORMING AND
UNDERPERFORMING AND THAT IS ACTUALLY ADDING A LOT
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY ADDING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE
THAT IS ACTUALLY ADDING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE PUTIN ADMINISTRATION.
OF PRESSURE ON THE PUTIN ADMINISTRATION. PUTIN
PUTIN ADMINISTRATION. PUTIN REGIME TO STAY IN THIS
PUTIN REGIME TO STAY IN THIS WAR EVEN PROBABLY IF THEY
REGIME TO STAY IN THIS WAR EVEN PROBABLY IF THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS NOT THE
WAR EVEN PROBABLY IF THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT‘S A BIT OF AN
RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT‘S A BIT OF AN OVERSTATEMENT, BUT THE BOTTOM
THAT‘S A BIT OF AN OVERSTATEMENT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, IS THAT THE RHETORIC
OVERSTATEMENT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, IS THAT THE RHETORIC INSIDE YOU
LINE, IS THAT THE RHETORIC INSIDE YOU INSIDE RUSSIA IS
INSIDE YOU INSIDE RUSSIA IS GETTING INCREASINGLY HEATED
INSIDE RUSSIA IS GETTING INCREASINGLY HEATED AND EVEN MORE EXTREME.
GETTING INCREASINGLY HEATED AND EVEN MORE EXTREME. TOWARDS PROSECUTING THIS WAR
AND EVEN MORE EXTREME. TOWARDS PROSECUTING THIS WAR THAT
TOWARDS PROSECUTING THIS WAR THAT IS A RECIPE FOR A PROTRACTED
THAT IS A RECIPE FOR A PROTRACTED WAR.
IS A RECIPE FOR A PROTRACTED WAR. AND I DO WANT TO SAY A NOTE,
WAR. AND I DO WANT TO SAY A NOTE, A QUICK NOTE ON THE THE BOOTS
AND I DO WANT TO SAY A NOTE, A QUICK NOTE ON THE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
A QUICK NOTE ON THE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. YOU
ON THE GROUND. YOU NO, WE VERY WELL. AGAIN,
YOU NO, WE VERY WELL. AGAIN, MAY FIND OURSELVES IN A
NO, WE VERY WELL. AGAIN, MAY FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION
MAY FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION IF THERE‘S A NUCLEAR POWER,
SITUATION IF THERE‘S A NUCLEAR POWER, PLANT, THAT IS STRUCK IN ONE
IF THERE‘S A NUCLEAR POWER, PLANT, THAT IS STRUCK IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTRY,
PLANT, THAT IS STRUCK IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTRY, THAT MIGHT FORCE OUR HANDS
PART OF THE COUNTRY, THAT MIGHT FORCE OUR HANDS WITH SECURING OTHER NUCLEAR
THAT MIGHT FORCE OUR HANDS WITH SECURING OTHER NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, ESPECIALLY AS
WITH SECURING OTHER NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY
POWER PLANTS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY APPROACHED CLOSER TO
THEY APPROACHED CLOSER TO TO EUROPE.
APPROACHED CLOSER TO TO EUROPE. I THINK WE IN A
TO EUROPE. I THINK WE IN A PROTRACTED WAR. IT‘S HARD TO
I THINK WE IN A PROTRACTED WAR. IT‘S HARD TO SEE HOW THIS THING UNFOLDS.
PROTRACTED WAR. IT‘S HARD TO SEE HOW THIS THING UNFOLDS. AND WE MIGHT VERY WELL FIND
SEE HOW THIS THING UNFOLDS. AND WE MIGHT VERY WELL FIND OURSELVES IN THE SITUATION.
AND WE MIGHT VERY WELL FIND OURSELVES IN THE SITUATION. WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT
OURSELVES IN THE SITUATION. WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE THRESHOLD FOR NUCLEAR WAR
WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE THRESHOLD FOR NUCLEAR WAR OR WORLD WAR THREE IS
THE THRESHOLD FOR NUCLEAR WAR OR WORLD WAR THREE IS EXTREMELY HIGH,
OR WORLD WAR THREE IS EXTREMELY HIGH, JUST BECAUSE
EXTREMELY HIGH, JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A DARK
JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A DARK BETWEEN US AND RUSSIAN FORCES.
THERE IS A DARK BETWEEN US AND RUSSIAN FORCES. YES, THAT‘S AN INCREMENT
BETWEEN US AND RUSSIAN FORCES. YES, THAT‘S AN INCREMENT SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN
YES, THAT‘S AN INCREMENT SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE‘RE
SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE‘RE FIGHTING EACH OTHER,
TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE‘RE FIGHTING EACH OTHER, BUT IT DOES NOT
FIGHTING EACH OTHER, BUT IT DOES NOT SPELL A BROADER WAR BECAUSE
BUT IT DOES NOT SPELL A BROADER WAR BECAUSE RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT A BROADER
SPELL A BROADER WAR BECAUSE RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT A BROADER WAR. RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT TO
RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT A BROADER WAR. RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT TO BRING IN ALL OF NATO INVOLVED.
WAR. RUSSIA DOESN‘T WANT TO BRING IN ALL OF NATO INVOLVED. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT WE
BRING IN ALL OF NATO INVOLVED. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT WE SHOULDN‘T OVERSTATE THE
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT WE SHOULDN‘T OVERSTATE THE ARGUMENT
SHOULDN‘T OVERSTATE THE ARGUMENT CUDDLE. I DIDN‘T HE
ARGUMENT CUDDLE. I DIDN‘T HE IT IS
CUDDLE. I DIDN‘T HE IT IS EVEN IF YOU DON‘T BELIEVE THAT
IT IS EVEN IF YOU DON‘T BELIEVE THAT A MAN, PUTIN WAS GOING TO USE
EVEN IF YOU DON‘T BELIEVE THAT A MAN, PUTIN WAS GOING TO USE NUKES AND THAT‘S A WHOLE
A MAN, PUTIN WAS GOING TO USE NUKES AND THAT‘S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEBATE FOR ANOTHER
NUKES AND THAT‘S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEBATE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
DIFFERENT DEBATE FOR ANOTHER DAY. SIMPLY
DAY. SIMPLY INCREASING THE RISKS OR THE
SIMPLY INCREASING THE RISKS OR THE ACCIDENTAL
INCREASING THE RISKS OR THE ACCIDENTAL CONFLICT, OR AN UNWITTING
ACCIDENTAL CONFLICT, OR AN UNWITTING CONFLICT IS SOMETHING WE ALL
CONFLICT, OR AN UNWITTING CONFLICT IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO AVOID. AND I THINK
CONFLICT IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO AVOID. AND I THINK IT‘S FAIR TO SAY
WANT TO AVOID. AND I THINK IT‘S FAIR TO SAY AT LEADER. LIKE, PUTIN IS
IT‘S FAIR TO SAY AT LEADER. LIKE, PUTIN IS BEING ACCUSED OF BEING A WAR
AT LEADER. LIKE, PUTIN IS BEING ACCUSED OF BEING A WAR CRIMINAL. RIGHT NOW OF
BEING ACCUSED OF BEING A WAR CRIMINAL. RIGHT NOW OF GENOCIDE. WE CAN‘T SIMPLY
CRIMINAL. RIGHT NOW OF GENOCIDE. WE CAN‘T SIMPLY ASSUME THAT HE‘S NOT GONNA DO
GENOCIDE. WE CAN‘T SIMPLY ASSUME THAT HE‘S NOT GONNA DO ANY MORE BRUTAL OR CRAZY
ASSUME THAT HE‘S NOT GONNA DO ANY MORE BRUTAL OR CRAZY STUFF, BUT COLONEL, I
ANY MORE BRUTAL OR CRAZY STUFF, BUT COLONEL, I APPRECIATE YOU. COMING ON THE
STUFF, BUT COLONEL, I APPRECIATE YOU. COMING ON THE SHOW. WE‘RE OUT OF TIME. I
APPRECIATE YOU. COMING ON THE SHOW. WE‘RE OUT OF TIME. I HOPE TO CARRY ON THIS
SHOW. WE‘RE OUT OF TIME. I HOPE TO CARRY ON THIS CONVERSATION
HOPE TO CARRY ON THIS CONVERSATION ANOTHER DAY. ALWAYS APPRECIATE
CONVERSATION ANOTHER DAY. ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR ANALYSIS.