>>> PRIDE IS ABOUT PROTEST.
ITS ABOUT SAYING, AS THE OLD
CHANT GOES, WERE HERE, WERE
QUEER, GET USED TO IT.
AS WE CLOSE OUT PRIDE MONTH, I
WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO TALK
ABOUT LANGUAGE AND HOW WE TALK
ABOUT OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER.
IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO ADDRESS
THIS RECENT PIECE BY AUTHOR AND
ACTIVIST RICHEY JACKSON.
ARGUING OPENLY GAY IS AN
OFFENSIVE TERM THAT MUST BE
REPLACED.
JOINING ME IS RICHEY JACKSON AND
AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR, GAY LIKE
ME: A FATHER WRITES TO HIS SON.
ITS BEEN GREAT TO SEE YOU.
ITS BEEN A LONG TIME.
THANKS FOR COMING TO "THE SUNDAY
SHOW."
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
ITS A PERFECT WAY TO CELEBRATE
PRIDE TO BE WITH YOU.
>> THANKS.
I WANT TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN
WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WROTE IN THE
ADVOCATE.
AND THEN WELL TALK ABOUT IT ON
THE OTHER SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU WROTE, OPENLY APPLAUDS OTHER
SIDE.
RICHIE, I DONT THINK IVE TOLD
YOU THIS BUT EVER SINCE I READ
YOUR COLUMN IN THE ADVOCATE, I
STOPPED SAYING OPENLY GAY OR
OPENLY LGBT.
>> I NOTICED.
I NOTICED WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING
TO THE CONGRESSMAN THAT YOU SAID
OUT.
>> YES.
SO WHY DID YOU THINK -- WHY WAS
IT SO IMPORTANT TO PUT DOWN ON
PAPER OR IN PIXELS TO MAKE
THIS -- TO MAKE -- THIS CLAIM.
LETS START SAYING OUT INSTEAD
OF OPENLY.
>> OPENLY IS A JUDGMENT.
OPENLY IS OTHER PEOPLE TELLING
US THAT WE ARE BEING TOO
AUDACIOUS.
THAT WE SHOULD BE HIDING AND OUT
IS OURS.
OUT SIGNIFIES A JOURNEY TO OUR
OWN EXPLORATION OF IDENTITY AND
OUR OWN BRAVERY.
OUT GIVES YOUNGER PEOPLE A
PATHWAY.
OPENLY GAY IS A WAY FOR OTHER
PEOPLE TO PUT SHAME ON US.
WE MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE
WORDS WE USE ABOUT OURSELVES AND
THE WORDS WE LET OTHER PEOPLE
USE ABOUT US.
OPENLY IS JUDGMENTAL AND
STIGMATIZING.
>> YOU KNOW I HAVE YOUR BOOK
HERE "GAY LIKE ME."
IM TRYING TO GET IT IN THE
LIGHT.
"GAY LIKE ME."
IVE READ THE BOOK.
I WROTE A BLUSH FOR THE BOOK.
THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR IN THE
PAGES WHEN YOU WROTE IT.
YOU WROTE IT DURING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
WERE BEYOND THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION NOW.
ARE YOU AS FEARFUL TODAY AS YOU
WERE FOR THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY AS
YOU WERE THEN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A GLIMMER OF
HOPE AND HUMANITY WITH THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION, BUT THERE ARE
250 ANTI-LGBT BILLS IN STATE
LEGISLATURES NOW.
THERE ARE A HUNDRED
ANTI-TRANSBILLS IN STATE
LEGISLATURES RIGHT NOW
SPECIFICALLY TARGETING CHILDREN.
THESE RAINBOWS THAT WERE ALL
SEEING THIS MONTH AND TODAY MASK
A VERY REAL WAR THAT IS BEING
WAGED AGAINST US AND WHILE TRUMP