PATROLS TODAY IN THE PACIFIC
OCEAN.
JOINING ME IS THE FOUNDER OF THE
ATLAS ORGANIZATION, JONATHAN
WARD IS HERE.
JONATHAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING BETWEEN
THE XI JINPING, VLADIMIR PUTIN
MEETING?
>> HI, MARIA.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
I THINK THIS IS ONE MORE STEP IN
THEIR PARTNERSHIP.
THEY’RE LOOKING TO SHOW THE
WORLD THAT THEY’RE STILL DEEPLY
ALIGNED.
I THINK FOR PUTIN IT’S MORE
IMPORTANT THAN IT IS FOR OF XI.
ALSO FOR XI, THE SHANGHAI
COOPERATION ORGANIZATION WILL
BECOME AN INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT
ORGANIZATION.
IRAN SUBMITTED TO BECOME A
PERMANENT MEMBER, IT’S GATHERING
ALL THE ADVERSARIES TOGETHER IN
AN ANTI-WESTERN COALITION WHICHS
WAS FORMED 20 OF YEARS AGO NOW
AND MANY PEOPLE WROTE IT OFF FOR
A LONG TIME THINKING IT DIDN’T
HAVE ANY PURPOSE BUT I THINK
WE’RE GOING TO START TO SEE ITS
PURPOSE IN THE YEARS AHEAD AND
FOR PUTIN AND XI IT’S A SECURITY
FORUM THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
COUNTER THE WEST.
INDIA IS A MEMBER AND EVENTUALLY
WILL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT
TO REMAIN CLOSE TO MOSCOW.
THAT’S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST
CHOICE INDIA HAS TO MAKE IN THE
CENTURY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY
STICK WITH THIS SORT OF
NONALIGNED BALANCING BETWEEN AN
AXIS OF DICTATORS OR JOIN THE
WEST AND JOIN THE UNITED STATES
BUT AS FOR THIS MEETING, RUSSIA
AND CHINA CALL IT THE
COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGIC
PARTNERSHIP OF COORDINATION FOR
A NEW ERA, SO WE SHOULDN’T BE
SURPRISED BY EVERYTHING THAT IS
-- THAT WE’RE WITNESSING FROM
JOINT BOMBER FLIGHTS, NUCLEAR
CAPABLE BOMBER FLIGHTS WHILE
BIDEN IS IN TOKYO IN MAY TO THE
RECENT EXERCISES WHICH INCLUDED
EXERCISES BY LAND AND SEA AND
THE FACT YOU HAD A FLURRY OF
VERY HIGH LEVEL MEETINGS
PRESUMABLY IN PREPARATION FOR
XI, PUTIN MEETING BUT THE NUMBER
THREE IN THE COMMUNIST PARTY
VOICING SUPPORT FOR PUTIN AND
RUSSIA AS REPORTED BY THE NEW
YORK TIMES AND OTHER OUTLETS AND
THEN ALSO THE PERSON THAT IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VERY BAD
MEETING IN AN ANCHORAGE EARLIER
THIS YEAR WITH OUR DIPLOMATS IS
ALSO VOICING SUPPORT FOR RUSSIA
SO I THINK THE POINT IS THIS
AXIS IS FORMING NOW AND THE
RUSSIA/CHINA PARTNERSHIP HAS
BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING
AND THE UKRAINE WAR IS
ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE EFFECTS OF
THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THEN TAIWAN
IS ALSO -- THAT’S A VERY SERIOUS
POTENTIAL SITUATION.
MARIA: YEAH.
I WANT TO HE GET TO TAIWAN IN A
MOMENT OF BECAUSE WE HAVE REAL
CONCERNS ABOUT WHY TAIWAN IS NOT
GETTING THE WEAPONS THEY PAID
FOR.
GIVE US YOUR TAKE ON HOW THE CCP
HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE COVID
CRISIS AND JUST CONTINUING TO
BUY UP LAND AND INFILTRATE MORE
OF COUNTRIES INCLUDING AMERICA.
THE PRESIDENT’S NATIONAL
SECURITY COUNCIL SPOKESPERSON,
JOHN KIRBY, DODGED QUESTIONS
YESTERDAY ABOUT CHINA PURCHASING
U.S. LAND, JONATHAN.
TELL ME WHAT’S GOING ON AND WHY
THE CCP IS ACQUIRING LAND IN
AMERICA CLOSE TO MILITARY BASES.
IS THIS ANOTHER PART OF THEIR
SURVEILLANCE CAMPAIGN OF
AMERICA?
>> WELL, LOOK, I MEAN, THEY’RE
ACQUIRING LAND ALL OVER THE
WORLD FOR ONE MAIN PURPOSE IS
CHINA CAN’T FEED ITSELF FROM THE
INSIDE.
THEY HAVE TO TO FEED THEMSELVES
AND SUPPLY ENERGY FROM EXTERNAL
TRADE AND ACQUISITIONS SO
THEY’RE DOING IT IN LATIN
AMERICA, AUSTRALIA, AFRICA AND
THEY’RE DOING IT HERE TOO.
WE DEFINITELY DON’T WANT TO HAVE
FARMLAND OWNED BY AN ADVERSARY
GOVERNMENT, CERTAINLY NEAR ANY
OF OUR BASES.
WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
CHINESE ICT TECHNOLOGY AND
DRONES AND EVEN CAMERAS THAT ARE
STILL USED IN THE U.S. TO SAY
NOTHING OF CONSUMER TECHNOLOGY
THAT’S POTENTIALLY VERY INVASIVE
FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN AND ALL
OF THAT SHOULD BE DONE AWAY
WITH.
I THINK CFIUS WILL HAVE TO TAKE
A BROADER VIEW OF NATIONAL
SECURITY HERE AND ENSURE THERE
AREN’T COMMUNIST PARTY OWNED
ASSETS IN THE UNITED STATES,
PERIOD, ACROSS A VERY -- MUCH
BROADER SPECTRUM WHEN IT COMESES
TO U.S. SECURITY SO CERTAINLY
THEY SHOULDN’T OWN FARMLAND AND
SHOULDN’T OWN ANYTHING NEAR
BASES AND THAT SHOULD
ESSENTIALLY BE FORCED
DIVESTITURES ULTIMATELY.
MARIA: LOOK, IT’S HARD TO GET
YOUR ARMS AROUND IT WHEN YOU’VE
GOT THE BROTHER OF THE CLIMATE
CZAR, TONY PODESTA IS THE
LOBBYIST FOR HUAWEI.
REALLY?
ISN’T HUAWEI SORT OF THE MAIN
VEIN OF THE CCP THAT’S DEALING
WITH THE SURVEILLANCE CAMPAIGN
IN AMERICA AND YOU ACROSS ACROSS
>> HUAWEI, WE’VE LARGELY DEALT
WITH IT IN THE ALLIANCE SYSTEM.
WE NEED TO FINISH THE JOB ON
HUAWEI WHICH MEANS TAKING IT OUT
IN EMERGING MARKETS, PLACES LIKE
BRAZIL, INDONESIA, THROUGHOUT
AFRICA.
CHINA CONTINUES TO BUILD UP AN
ICT CAPABILITY AND ALSO OTHER
PIECES OF THE CHINESE TECHNOLOGY
STACK INCLUDING ALIBABA AND TEN
CENT, ANYTHING WITH OUTBOUND
OPERATIONS AND MARKET STRATEGIES
PARTICULARLY IN THE EMERGING
WORLD WILL POSE A CHALLENGE TO
U.S. TECHNOLOGY DOMINANCE AND
WE’LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
CHINESE COMPANIES ARE THE
OUTBOUND ARM OF THE GRAND
STRATEGY, WHERE A LOT OF THE
TECHNOLOGY IS CREATED AND WHERE
THAT GOES TO GLOBAL MARKETS.
WE MAY HAVE PUSHED IT BACK IN
THE U.S., EUROPE AND AUSTRALIA,
THE BRITAINS HAVE REJECTED IT
EARLY ON.
IT’S THRIVING IN MUCH OF THE
WORLD.
WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO
THAT.
IT HAS TO BE ESSENTIAL FOR OUR
OWN STRATEGIES FOR AFRICA, LATIN
AMERICA AND THE INZOA INDO-PACIF
WHICH WE NEED TO WORK MUCH