>>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS MY SENIOR YEAR I WAS WORKING AT IBM, THEY
MOVED THEIR OFFICE TO CHICAGO.
MY CLIENT WAS THE AMERICAN RED
CROSS.
CROSS. THEY OFFERED ME A JOB AND LIKE A
LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY I JUMPED AT
THAT OPPORTUNITY.
THAT OPPORTUNITY. I THOUGHT MAYBE I WOULD GO BACK
AND TAKE A COURSE HERE OR THERE.
THEN I MET MY WIFE, WE WERE
MARRIED, WE HAD KIDS.
>> SCOTT WALKER ADDRESSING HIS
NONCOLLEGE DEGREE.
NONCOLLEGE DEGREE. ALL RIGHT, YOU WANT TO HEAR MY
THEORY ON THIS?
THIS IS A CLASSIC BEAR TRAP.
HOWARD DEAN SAID ONE THING ONCE,
AND THEN THEY ROLL IT OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
OVER AGAIN. SNOBBY LIBERALS WILL NOT RESPECT
SOMEONE WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE
AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE CARES.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAW
SCORE, GREAT POINT HOWARD DEAN.
I THINK NO ONE OTHER THAN HOWARD
DEAN IS MAKING THAT POINT.
>> I THINK THERE IS A DESIRE TO
HAVE PEOPLE GANGING UP ON HIM,
BUT IT HAS FAILED TO
MATERIALIZE.
MATERIALIZE. >> YEAH, THEY SAY THAT THEY
DON'T CARE ABOUT EDUCATION, THEY
LEAD WITH THEIR GUT.
THERE IS A NOTION THAT THEY WILL
MAKE FUN OF HIM FOR THIS IT ASKS
DO YOU WANT YOUR REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATE SOMEONE TO HAVE A BEER
WITH OR SOMEONE YOU'RE ASPIRING
TO BE.
TO BE. THERE IS 31 MILLION AMERICANS
THAT STARTED COLLEGE AND HAVE
NOT FINISHED IT.
HE IS SOMEONE THAT PEOPLE CAN
RELATE TO.
RELATE TO. >> IT IS NOT A PREREQUISITE, I
THINK IN GENERAL IT SHOULD NOT
BE.
BE. BUT SHOULD WE HAVE THE BEST AND
BRIGHTEST AS PRESIDENT?
ONE COULD SAY IT WOULD NOT BE --
>> THERE IS NO ED THAT HE IS NOT
SMART, HE SUCCEEDED ON WHAT HE
HAS DONE.
HAS DONE. >> HE OF AT MARQUETTE, A GOOD
CATHOLIC SCHOOL, IT IS A PRIVATE
FOUR YEAR INSTITUTION WHICH IS A
TINY SLIVER OF AMERICAN
EDUCATION ACTIVITY.
EDUCATION ACTIVITY. WE TALK ABOUT COLLEGE IN THIS
COUNTRY AND IT IS LIKE OH, YOU
WENT TO MARQUETTE, THAT ALREADY,
GOING THERE, PUTS YOU IN A SMALL
MINORITY OF STUDENTS.
IT IS ELITE.
SO IS COLLEGE WORTH IT?
IT IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GET A
NECESSARY SET OF SKILLS, HUMAN
CAPITAL, ENGAGE IN BETTERMENT OF
PEOPLE AND CITIZENS, AND THE
OTHER IS THAT IT IS BASICALLY A
MEANS OF STAMPING PEOPLE FOR THE
JOB MARKET OR THE AMERICAN
ELITE.
ELITE. >> IT IS A CREDENTIAL.
IT SAYS YOU CAN SHOW UP PLACES
ON TIME, YOU CAN BE A
RESPONSIBLE MIDDLE CLASS KIND OF
PERSON.
PERSON. COLLEGE IS DOING LESS OF GIVING
PEOPLE THE SKILLS THEY NEED, OR
THE TRADITIONAL STRONG EDUCATION
THEY ONCE HAD, AND INSTEAD IT IS
FOUR YEARS OF HANGING OUT AND
PARTYING -- A GREAT SURVEY THAT
SHOWED THAT PEOPLE ARE SPENDING
LESS THAN 25 HOURS A WEEK DOING
ANYTHING IN AND OUT OF CLASS
DOING ANYTHING ACADEMIC.
>> I DON'T REALLY DISAGREE WITH
ANY OF THE MACRO CRITICISMS.
I DON'T THINK COLLEGE IS THE
GREATEST INSTITUTION IT COULD
BE.
BE. THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS HALF OF
WHAT IT IS FOR COLLEGE
GRADUATES.
GRADUATES. INCOMES AND UNEMPLOYMENT
ESCALATED FAR WORSE FOR PEOPLE
WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES IN THAT
TIME.
TIME. SO GOING TO COLLEGE IS A BETTER
IDEA THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN.
>> THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, A
DEEP POLICY QUESTION, A
POLITICAL QUESTION FOR SCOTT
WALKER, RIGHT?
WALKER, RIGHT? IS FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE DEGREE A
VALUABLE THING OR IS IT MARKING
PEOPLE AS MORE EMPLOYABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE WAYS OF PUTTING
PEOPLE INTO SKILLED JOBS AND
MARKING THEM AS SHOW UP ON TIME
PEOPLE BEYOND THE COLLEGE
DEGREE.
DEGREE. THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF
ALTERNATIVES.
ALTERNATIVES. I DON'T THINK THE LOWER
UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER --
>> THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS HERE.
THERE IS A SOCIAL QUESTION, AND
THERE IS A QUESTION FOR
INDIVIDUALS SHOULD YOU SEND YOUR
KIDS TO COLLEGE?
THE ANSWER WILL BE YES BECAUSE
YOUR KID WILL BE MORE EMPLOYABLE
AS A RESULT.
>> SO THE QUESTION TO ME BECOMES
WHAT WOULD A GOOD VERSION OF
THIS LOOK LIKE?
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
IN THIS COUNTRY IS WE HAVE SEEN
WAGE STAGNATION.
WAGE STAGNATION. THE PRESIDENT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
GO TO COLLEGE, IT IS AS
NECESSARY HAS HIGH SCHOOL WAS
BEFORE.
BEFORE. THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES
LIKE -- WHAT WOULD A GOOD
VERSION OF THIS LOOK LIKE SO
THAT PEOPLE HAD ACCESS TO THE
KIND OF EDUCATION THEY NEEDED TO
BE MORE EMPLOYABLE, OR --
>> YOU WOULD ASK YOURSELF WHY IS
IT THAT NOW YOU NEED TO GO TO
COLLEGE TO GET THE SKILLS THAT
PEOPLE GOT IN HIGH SCHOOL 50
YEARS AGO.
YEARS AGO. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS OUR K-12
SYSTEM IS BROKEN DOWN.
>> IS THAT REALLY TRUE THOUGH.
THE SKILLING THAT PEOPLE GOT IN
HIGH SCHOOL, WHAT IS THE METRIC?
>> READING AND MATH SKILLS.
THERE IS AN AMAZING STATISTIC.
IN CALIFORNIA WITHIN HALF OF THE
KIDS GRADUATING FROM CALIFORNIA
SCHOOLS, WHEN THEY GO TO A STATE
UNIVERSITY THEY HAVE TO TAKE
REMEDIAL CLASSES, SO WHAT ARE
THEY LEARNING IN HIGH SCHOOL?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE
IS THAT YOU HAVE A SITUATION IN
WHICH WE HAVE NOT ANSWERED A
QUESTION DEFINITIVELY ABOUT WHAT
WE WANT TO PRODUCE OUT OF THE
COLLEGE SYSTEM, RIGHT?
WE HAVE A PATCHWORK SYSTEM.
WE HAVE SOME THAT WORK VERY WELL
LIKE THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. THE CALIFORNIA SYSTEM, BOTH OF
WHICH ARE UNDER ATTACK.
AND THERE IS NO SENSE OF LIKE IS
THE JOB HERE TO MAKE PEOPLE
EMPLOYABLE, IS IT TO MAKE
CITIZENS, MAKE PEOPLE
SELF-ACTUALIZED?
SELF-ACTUALIZED? >> I AGREE WITH HER ON MOST OF
THOSE MACRO ISSUES.
IT IS NOT TACKLING THESE MACRO
PROBLEMS IN A LONG TERM WAY.
SO IT MAY BE THAT WE SHOULD BE
INVESTING MORE IN THE PROGRAMS,
BUT THAT IS MAYBE A LONG-TERM
SOLUTION.
SOLUTION. FOR RIGHT NOW THE PRIORITY I
THINK REALLY HAS TO BE ACCESS
AND AFFORDABILITY.
AND AFFORDABILITY. >> I LOVE THE IDEA OF SCOTT
WALKER GOING TONIGHT SCHOOL ON
THE CAMPAIGN AND