>>> AS WE’VE BEEN REPORTING TODAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED
STORMY DANIELS HORSE FACE
YESTERDAY, PROMPTED THIS POST BY
PRESIDENT OBAMA’S FORMER
OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE
PHOTOGRAPHER PETE SOUZA WHO
HIGHLIGHTED THIS CAPTION IT’S
ONLY OKAY TO CALL A HORSE A
HORSE FACE.
HORSE FACE. THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF HOW SUZE
DPLA IS USING THE TIME HE SPENT
IN THE PRESIDENT OBAMA WHITE
HOUSE TO TAKE JABS AT AT THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. SOUZA’S TROLLING OF PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS NO LONGER LIMITED TO
SOCIAL MEDIA.
SOCIAL MEDIA. HIS NEW BOOK IS TITLED "SHADE, A
TALE OF TWO PRESIDENTS" AND PETE
SOUZA JOINS US NOW.
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.
>> YOU DIDN’T SET OUT TO THROW
SHADE, I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN’T
EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT A
COUPLE YEARS AGO.
>> IT ACTUALLY STARTED A CALM
DAYS AFTER THE INAUGURATION WHEN
I POSTED A PICTURE OF PRESIDENT
OBAMA IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH
THE RED CURTAINS IN THE
BACKGROUND AND I JUST SAID I
KIND OF LIKED THE OLD CURTAINS
BETTER.
BETTER. IT HAD A DOUBLE MEETING AND I
THINK PEOPLE CAUGHT ON TO IT.
>> WE USUALLY DON’T SEE THIS
FROM A WHITE HOUSE PHOTOGRAPHER
WHO HAS A FLY ON THE WALL
QUALITY TO HIM OR TO HER.
WHAT MAZE YOU WANT TO STEP OUT
AND MAKE THIS STAND?
>> I THINK THIS GUY DISRESPECTS
THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, I
MEAN, IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
IF JOHN McCAIN OR MITT ROMNEY OR
MARCO RUBIO HAD BEEN ELECTED
PRESIDENT, I WOULDN’T BE DOING
THIS.
THIS. BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE
RESPECTED THE OFFICE.
I DON’T THINK HE DOES.
>> LET’S TAKE A COUPLE LOOKS AT
SOME OF THESE.
THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CLAIM THAT
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD HIS PHONES
TAPPED DURING THE ELECTION.
YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT SAYING,
SAY WHAT?
SAY WHAT? >> SAY WHAT.
I WAS TRYING TO IMAGINE HOW
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS REACTING TO
READING THIS WHERE TRUMP ACCUSED
HIM OF A HIGH CRIME,
ESSENTIALLY.
ESSENTIALLY. I COULDN’T -- I KNOW PRESIDENT
OBAMA REALLY WELL.
I DON’T KNOW HOW HE WOULD HAVE
REACTED, SO THAT’S WHY I HAD THE
DIFFERENT EXPRESSIONS.
DIFFERENT EXPRESSIONS. >> DO YOU HEAR FROM PRESIDENT
OBAMA ABOUT YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS?
>> HE TELLS ME THAT FRIENDS WHEN
HE IS ON THE ROAD TELL THEM
ABOUT THEM.
ABOUT THEM. >> WHAT DOES EVENING?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK HE THINKS
THEY’RE PROBABLY PRETTY FUNNY.
>> HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CRITICISM OF
NOT DOING ENOUGH ABOUT VLADIMIR
PUTIN’S MEDDLING.
PUTIN’S MEDDLING. NOT MUCH HAPPENING HERE.
>> PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS NOT
AFRAID OF BEING TOUGH ON WORLD
LEADERS WHEN NECESSARY.
>> TWO THINGS, ONE IS THE POWER
PHOTOGRAPHS TO SORT OF BE A
NARRATIVE CORRECTOR BECAUSE WE
LIVE IN A TIME WHERE I THINK
IT’S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE
OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE
LIKES TO PEDAL IN FALSITIES,
UNTRUTHS, AND PHOTOGRAPHS ARE A
GREAT WAY TO COUNTERBALANCE
THAT.
THAT. DO YOU FIND THAT THAT’S SORT OF
YOUR CALLING HERE, TO USE YOUR
PHOTOGRAPHS AS A WAY TO, YOU
KNOW, PROMOTE TRUTH?
>> SOMETIMES.
>> SOMETIMES. DEFINITELY.
DEFINITELY. I MEAN, THE CROWD ON
INAUGURATION DAY, YOU KNOW, I
MEAN, THE PICTURE FROM 2009
WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST CROWD EVER
AT AN INAUGURATION TO COUNTER
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CLAIMS THAT HE
HAD THE BIGGEST.
SO DEFINITELY.
SO DEFINITELY. >> NOW, MY SECOND QUESTION IS
JUST ABOUT YOU, YOURSELF.
YOU’VE TAKEN -- I MEAN, GOD
KNOWS HOW MANY PICTURES YOU TOOK
DURING THE COURSE OF THE OBAMA
PRESIDENCY.
PRESIDENCY. DO YOU HAVE AN ENCYCLOPEDIC
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THOSE PHOTOS
ARE AND WHERE TO PULL THEM OUT
FROM.
FROM. WHEN YOU SEE A TWEET IN YOUR
HEAD IS IT WORKING I REMEMBER
THIS PICTURE FROM THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, I’M GOING TO GO
FIND IT?
FIND IT? >> YES.
>> YES. >> YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF --
>> YEAH, IT’S USUALLY IN MY
HEAD.
HEAD. >> REALLY?
>> REALLY? >> OFTENTIMES I JUST GOOGLE IT
BECAUSE THE PICTURES I’M USING
ARE ONES THAT WE HAD MADE PUBLIC
WHILE WE WERE IN OFFICE.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. >> SO THEY’RE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
I CAN USUALLY GOOGLE THEM AND
FIND THEM SOMEWHERE.
>> YOU CAN RECALL SPECIFIC
MOMENTS IN THE PICTURES THAT YOU
TOOK?
TOOK? >> YES.
>> YES. >> HAVE YOU EVER USED PRIVATE
PICTURES THAT WEREN’T PUBLIC
DOMAIN?
DOMAIN? >> NO.
>> NO. >> WHY NOT?
>> BECAUSE I JUST DON’T THINK
IT’S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> YOU SAVE THEM FOR THE NEXT
BOOK.
BOOK. >> YEAH, MAYBE.
>> WHAT’S INTERESTING TO SOMEONE
LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OR AT
LEAST IT’S INTERESTING TO ME, IS
IN THE CROWD SHOTS, MOST OF THE
CROWD SHOTS THAT YOU USE IN THIS
BOOK AND IN OTHERS, PEOPLE LOOK
REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
AND IF YOU JUXTAPOSE IT TO THE
CROWD SHOTS TODAY WITH MR.
TRUMP, THEY SEEM, YOU KNOW, ON
THE EDGE OF BEING GLEEFUL BUT
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BAD
IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
HE’S GOING TO MAKE FUN OF
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IT’S LIKE A COMEDY SHOW.
BUT YOUR CROWD SHOTS ARE
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. >> WELL, I DON’T THINK PRESIDENT
OBAMA FROM THE PODIUM WOULD, YOU
KNOW, BULLY PEOPLE.
HE DIDN’T CALL THE PRESS THAT
WERE THERE THE ENEMY OF THE
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. HE WAS TALKING TO THEM AND NOT
TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE IN A
NEGATIVE WAY.
NEGATIVE WAY. >> IN FAIRNESS, THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE VERY EXCITED TO SEE
PRESIDENT TRUMP IF YOU HAVE EVER
BEEN TO ONE OF THOSE RALLIES.
>> I DIDN’T MEAN THEY WEREN’T EX
EXCITED TO SEE THEM, BUT THE
TEMPO OF THE CROWD IS DIFFERENT.
>> THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THE
APPOINTMENT OF ROBERT MUELLER AS
SPECIAL COUNSEL IN CHARGE OF THE
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERE WITH
THIS PICTURE?
THIS PICTURE? >> I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT THE
CAPTION IS, IT’S TOO SMALL TO
READ, BUT I DID WANT TO POINT
OUT THAT ROBERT MUELLER IS ONE
OF THE GREATEST PUBLIC SERVANTS
OF OUR GENERATION.
I MEAN, HE SERVED IN FBI, WAS
ASKED TO STAY ON PAST HIS TERM
BY PRESIDENT OBAMA.
I MEAN, THIS GUY IS WITHOUT
QUESTION JUST A GREAT GOVERNMENT
SERVICE PERSON.
SERVICE PERSON. >> AND HAS SERVED REPUBLICAN AND
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY.
NOW, THIS ONE, MIKA, I WANT TO
BRING YOU IN ON.
THIS IS PETE’S RESPONSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DISPARAGING
COMMENTS ABOUT WOMEN,
PARTICULARLY HIS ATTACK ON YOU,
MIKA.
MIKA. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING HERE, PETE?
>> I WAS TRYING TO HAVE MIKA’S
WHACK ON THIS ONE AND SHOW THAT
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD A LOT OF
WOMEN IN SENIOR POSITIONS AROUND
HIM.
HIM. >> MIKA?
>> MIKA? >> AND, IN FACT, HE STARTED THE
WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL ON WOMEN AND
GIRLS, HE PASSED THE LILLY
LEDBETTER ACT.
LEDBETTER ACT. THISACT.
THISACT. PRESIDENT OBAMA REALLY
CONSIDERED ELEVATING THE LEVEL
OF WOMEN AND HELPING THEM USE
THEIR VOICES AND FIND LEADERSHIP
POSITIONS.
POSITIONS. ALL OF THAT HAS LITERALLY BEEN
WIPED AWAY.
WIPED AWAY. THE COUNCIL IS GONE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW I GUESS IN
TERMS OF EXAMPLES OF FEMALE
LEADERSHIP WOULD BE KELLYANNE
CONWAY, IVANKA AND MELANIA AND
SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS.
IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
HAS HAPPENED.
HAS HAPPENED. >> THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
REPORTS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP
CALLING THE WHITE HOUSE A DUMP.
YOU SAID IN THE CAPTION, DESPITE
WHAT SOME SAY, THE WHITE HOUSE
DEFINITELY IS NOT A DUMP.
WHAT A SHAMEFUL THING TO SAY OR
TO THINK.
TO THINK. >> I THINK IT SAYS IT ALL.
THERE ARE SO MANY PERMANENT
WORKERS OF THE WHITE HOUSE THAT
DO SO MUCH TO KEEP IT LOOKING
GREAT AND FUNCTIONING.
>> THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S NICKNAME FOR
NORTH KOREAN LEADER KIM JONG-UN.
THERE IS ONLY ONE ROCKETMAN, SIR
ELTON JOHN.
ELTON JOHN. >> YOU KNEW --
>> AS SOON AS HE CALLED HIM
LITTLE ROCKET MAN.
>> HOW LONG DID YOU TAKE ON THE
CAPTION?
CAPTION? >> SOME CAPTIONS TAKE LONGER
THAN OTHERS.
THAN OTHERS. SOME JUST COME UP.
THAT ONE WAS EASY.
>> DID YOU EVER PHOTOGRAPH TRUMP
PRIOR TO HIS PRESIDENCY?
>> TWO DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION
WHEN HE CAME TO THE WHITE HOUSE
AND THEN ON INAUGURATION DAY.
>> HOW DID YOU GET THE JOB?
>> I WAS THE WASHINGTON-BASED
PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE CHICAGO
TRIBUNE WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS
ELECTED TO THE SENATE IN 2004.
I GOT TO KNOW HIM BECAUSE OF
THAT PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP
THAT WE HAD.
>> WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE, AS I
SAID, A FLY ON THE WALL ALMOST
EVERYWHERE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES GOES AND TO GET TO
KNOW HIM IN A WAY THAT NOBODY
ELSE WILL.
ELSE WILL. >> YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT IN ALL
ASPECTS OF THEIR LIFE IN THE
SITUATION ROOM AND THEN PLAYING
WITH HIS DAUGHTERS IN THE SNOW.
>> I REMEMBER HE WOULD ALWAYS BE
JUST SORT OF OFF TO THE SIDE.
HE HAS ALL THE SCOOP.
I DIDN’T REALIZE YOU WERE THE
PHOTOGRAPHER.
PHOTOGRAPHER. >> WHAT WERE YOU LIKE AND WHAT
WAS IT LIKE THAT HORRIBLE DAY IN
SANDY HOOK, CONNECTICUT?
>> THE DAY OF THE SHOOTING WAS
HARD.
HARD. PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK IT SO
PERSONALLY IMAGINING WHAT IT
WOULD BE LIKE TO BE THE PARENT
OF THOSE WHO DIED AND THEN TO GO
TO SANDY HOOK AND SPEND THE TIME
CONSOLING THEM.
CONSOLING THEM. IT WAS TWO DAYS LATER.
THEY WERE STILL TRYING TO COME
TO GRIPS WITH WHAT WAS
HAPPENING.
HAPPENING. THEY WERE HAVING TO TALK TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
WE DON’T SEE THAT KIND OF
INTERACTION FROM THE PRESIDENT
TODAY, WHICH I THINK IS
UNFORTUNATE.
UNFORTUNATE. >> PETE SOUZA SAW IT ALL, THE
GOOD AND THE TRULY AWFUL.
THE BOOK IS "SHADE" THE TALE OF
TWO PRESIDENTS.
TWO PRESIDENTS. >>> JAMAL KHASHOGGI HAS NOT BEEN
SEEN SINCE OCTOBER 2.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PUSHING BACK
AGAINST THE GROWING CRITICISM OF
SAUDI ARABIA BY INVOKING BRETT
KAVANAUGH, CALLING THIS ANOTHER
CASE OF GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN
INNOCENT.
INNOCENT. >>> DEMOCRAT BETO O’ ROURKE