But I really think that the way people behave here
is a direct reflection of the way
they behave out there in the world.
And having been trained as a forensic psychologist,
and having been called upon to weigh in to the courts
on the fitness of a parent,
I fastly learned that you're never asked the question,
which parent should a child go with,
the question is, should the child be with either parent.
That's the question.
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Parents always go to court
and think that this is a horse race.
Like which one can outrun the other.
And, when you go into court,
you invite the government into your life,
and they make a determination,
and they look at all the information and all the data,
and what they do,
is they appoint what's called an ad litem,
and that is, that can be a therapist,
and that can be an attorney,
that represents the child and the child alone,
has no responsibility to the mother or the father,
only to the child.
And they represent just the child's best interest,
and both of you can be considered adversaries.
Mm-hmm.
And, I can tell you the conduct of both of you,
where either one called in, on this case,
would be in serious jeopardy,
of going home without this child,
because both of you are behaving
in a very irrational fashion.
This video tape that you have,
what is it that you think you're establishing
with this video tape?
Well, it was just something, we tucked Bella in one night,
and she just started telling us this, and--
What is it you think you're establishing
with the video tape?
Somebody has to give Bella a voice.
Yeah.
Somebody needs to hear the things that we're hearing.
Pretty much.
They're saying we're lying,
and it's Bella telling us, you know.
We can't do anything,
I didn't want to call children's services.
I didn't call 'em the whole time during the court case,
because I didn't wanna seem like a parent that was just,
you know, just messing up things, and trying to get,
you know, the state involved, contrary to them,
but all we want is to Bella to be protected.
We wanna voice for her, we want people to quit saying
that she's lying.
Well, here's, let's take a look.
Bella's therapist recommended all parties,
all parties, stop video taping and recording Bella.
Yet, here's another recording from Brett and Sarah
after they were told not to.
Let's listen to this one.
Hey Bronwyn, please don't smoke in the car
when you're with Bella.
Don't smoke in the car.
I don't.
Listen, stop, listen to me as--
(mumbles) Our family?
Bronwyn, you are denying all this stuff.
You see what your mom does?
Isn't that ridiculous?
Mm-hmm.
She didn't want Justin to know that she's smoking.
She hung up.
She wants me to talk to her on Family Wizard,
'cause she won't talk in front of me,
and in front of you.
That's not very fair, is it?
Nuh-uh.
Bella didn't know we were recording.
Yeah, Bella doesn't realize
we were recording. It doesn't matter.
These aren't videos--
Well, you know what's important
is I know you were recording it,
and I hear you saying, that's not good, is it?
Mommy's not being good, is she.
That's not fair, is it.
Let's trash mommy and record it,
so it can incriminate me when I get to court.
Fair enough.
Are you kidding me?
Hey, I'm doing my best--
We never said we were perfect.
I'm not asking you anything right now,
'cause you're not the mother.
OK.
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Have you ever looked up the term, parental alienation?
Yes, we have.
They tell my daughter that I'm a liar,
and they proactively, my daughter tells me this stuff
when she comes back--
Well we don't have to rely on a child,
what we have is audio evidence of you alienating that child
from the mother.
Fair enough.
That, you know that therapist was terminated
because she didn't give the therapist the child abuse
and child neglect reports.
The therapist didn't make those recordings, you did.
I understand.