So we are out here today in St. Louis, Missouri with Jared Ogden.
What's up brother?
CEO of Triumph Systems.
Happy to be down here.
Drew and I jumped in the car this morning with a quart of coffee and blasted down here
from McHenry County.
I think you said we are on the free side of the river now in Missouri?
Correct.
In Missouri.
So welcome.
I enjoy it.
Actually I could probably move here.
You guys are an Open Carry state?
We are constitutional carry.
Yes.
Checking the box for good ole Missouri.
We could have brought a couple AR's with to go for a walk down Main Street while we were
here.
Just kidding.
Don't do that!
You guys specialize in these high tech targets.
We do.
Yeah, we do targets for... to enhance ones firearm training.
This is the pivotal trainer.
It’s a mobile moving target system.
Why do you call it the pivotal trainer?
The technology is not new.
The concept of discretionary turning target systems has been around, but this is different.
For a couple reasons.
It's transportable.
It weighs 13 pounds.
Secondly, yeah, very light.
Hoo Hoo!
Ah, it's affordable.
So it comes with a price point of $399.
So, literally underfunded agencies, can make the purchase.
So can most guys without having to consult their wives first.
Just, FYI.
Ha-ha.
Alright, wives, disregard I said that.
Here's the deal with it.
It eliminates shooter anticipation.
Forces discretion because it does turn, that's you're no threat.
I can turn it into a threat.
I can take the target away all together.
That's in manual mode.
There's automatic mode if you are training by yourself.
In automatic mode I can pick how long the target presents when it does turn.
So I'm not hitting any buttons.
In fact I'm turning off the line of sight remote control.
And I can train by myself with this.
The cool thing about it is I can actually daisy chain up to ten of these pivotal trainer
units to a single remote control, or I can I can run them all independent.
One remote, one unit.
So it's very versatile.
Great for flat range work.
Great for house work.
It is a game changer, and ah we've been around for about a year and let me tell you...
We've had a lot of success.
Between CCW permit holders, law enforcement, and DOD.
It's a great piece of gear.
I think you told me you can program a lot of different things, like the amount of dwell
time that the target is exposed, or not exposed.
Yes.
So you've got a lot of options.
You've got options, absolutely.
To keep the student thinking.
Right.
You can totally accommodate to the student's skill level.
So if they need more time to get that good sight picture.
And press that trigger, and make that round impact where it's supposed to impact, you
can have that threat present for longer than it is right now.
So we are going to be incorporating these into the Carry Trainer program.
We are going to be traveling with four of these and using them with our students, just
to add another paradigm of training.
More thought.
More thinking.
More stress.
Because at the end of the day we want for you to be stressed out in a controlled training
range training environment.
As opposed to clearing leather, you know, neutralizing a threat on the street because
you just got jumped at the gas station or whatever.
I think we should head over here for a minute.
So this setup that we've got over here.
This is actually something that they built for their trade shows and demonstrations.
So in reality all this is simulating is six of what we were just looking at.
This is not something that we'd setup this close together.
This is just for portability.
I just want to make sure that we clarify that.
But this would show you, if you were on a range.
On a firing line.
And you had six.
Or like you just said, how many can you chain together?
Up to ten.
OK, you could have another four of these if you so wished.
Controlled by one remote.
And what’s that look like?
So this is great.
So you've got a firing line.
What do you do?
Shoot?
No Shoot?
And all of the students are getting the same feedback.
So if someone's ear protection isn't working and they can't hear your whistle or your audible,
there's no excuses.
And there's another good reason for that.
Bad guys usually don't whistle and yell at you and beep.
And say I'm about to engage.
That's a good point because that is a training scar.
So much of the time when we are on the range.
It's initiated by "Threat!"
Or "shoot!"
Well that's not how it works.
You might hear something and you might turn your head to investigate, but typically, the
cue is a visual cue.
So again, this is another training scar that this type of training mitigates.
As oppose to a flat range.
Static targets, Range Safety Officer yells "Threat!"
Um hmm.
It's kind of bullshit.
Can I say that on your channel?
Sure, of course.
That's something that I think...
we play with that all the time.
Where sometimes a student might just get a tap.
But even then, does a bad guy come up and say now.
So now all you have is that visual stimulus.
Check this out... this is awesome, awesome scenario based training.
I love this.
I'm going to put it automatic mode.
Automatic from the ready position.
With one and a half second target presentation.
Ok.
And these things, they have a mind of their own.
And they are going to start turning.
Remote is off.
Got a lot going on.
Wow.
Here you go Mickey.
Show us what you got.
Should I pick a target?
All six targets are in play.
You address threats as you see appropriate.
See, the other thing I love about this is drill that motion is going to... the shooter
is going to present.
How many drills do we do where you start to present, but you have to have the finger discipline
not to press the trigger?
That's exactly what this kind of training does.
Yeah, this is fun.
Even just dry firing.
You're tracking and just trying to see what’s going on.
The cost benefit here vs. what you have to outlie.
It's huge.
Groups of dudes that shoot together.
You can go out and buy a few of these for what a case of ammo costs.
Yep.
It's fantastic.
I call it a high value training system.
For sure.
The motor is over engineered.
I know it's going to last you over 600 hours.
One that note, let's talk about durability.
Sure.
I know we talked about this is all a vinyl product.
Yeah, it's an extruded vinyl material.
Its light weight and durable, and inexpensive to replace.
So a lot of these parts.
Zip ties, and things, can be had from a local hardware store, bungie.
Replace ability was a big part of design.
So this frame, although it is inexpensive, it's the same dimensions as standard 2x2.
So you can replace it if somebody shoots it, or change the size of your target window.
So if you want to bring the up rights.
Further apart.
Instead of what it comes with, grab a ten foot long 2x2.
So you can manipulate the size of the target window.
This is standard size PVC.
I use zip ties instead of clips.
Now it's going to happen eventually, somebody is going to shoot up, at some point, a motor.
These you said will take, they are guaranteed to one impact for pistol grade.
Yeah, pistol grade, one round impact.
The reason why it's a composite nylon.
It keeps the cost down in freight.
And the weight.
It is protection out of the box, but a keyhole shot could over penetrate, cause damage the
motor.
That's why I say handgun caliber single shot.
Does this have a warranty?
There is a one year warranty on it.
So...
Don't send it back with a hole in it.
That means you didn't upgrade the ballistic protector.
OK
So you can purchase the AR500 protector as an upgrade.
Yep.
But if for some reason this thing just craps out and stops working.
There's a one year warranty...
it's if you have any defects with the motor, send it back.
Highly doughtful.
I've literally, in the past 12 months sold thousands of these and the return rate is
less than a 1%.
Yeah, most of this stuff is static parts.
If anything is going to go wrong, it would probably be the electronic with you are saying
is ... which we over engineered.
One of the things that's really cool.
That drew me to this.
I'm a traveling trainer.
We don't run an indoor or static range on a specific piece of property.
So I can throw these in the back of the truck as Drew knows, and set them up anywhere, USA.
Whatever range we are working at.
And for the cost, we're providing a fantastic value to our students because this is something,
even high end indoor ranges or outdoor ranges don't have because it's so expensive.
Internet based training.
And we are one of these companies.
Has spawned a...
I guess I could say dogma now speed is everything.
We've talked about this before how fast can you come out from an appendix holster.
And blast a target two feet away.
Without thought.
You are committed to shooting at that point.
When you come out of the holster with full intent to shoot under a second.
This is teaching you that that may not be the best thing.
Is it a person with a loaf of bread or is it a bomb in their hand?
You need to add that level into the training.
When someone picks a gun up and carries it on themselves for self-defense.
If you are not thinking about these things, you need to put the brakes on, take a step
back and start analyzing what it is you're inputting for training.
Man, this company...
this thing is going to be huge.
Now, you and I have met before.
Tell me a little bit more about your past... ten years, twenty years.
So I'm from Atlanta.
And since I was a little kid...
Hot-lanta!
Hot-lanta.
I grew up fishing on the Chattahoochee.
Owe!
Fishing, pulling those trout’s up.
Way down yonder on the Chattahoochee....
That's right.
That would be it.
Since I was a little kid, I always wanted to be a Navy Seal.
Bad-ass.
Set my sights high, on that goal, and ended up going to the Naval Academy for college.
OK, Annapolis?
Annapolis, yep.
Moved to San Diego when I was commissioned as an instance.
Spent a couple years on a boat.
Laterally transferred to spec war, went to BUDS.
Was active duty from 2004-2012.
And I got out in 2012.
So you did eight years in the SEAL Teams?
I did eight years active duty.
OK.
Yeah, I went to BUDS in 2006.
And I was primarily on the West Coast, but I left active duty in 2012.
Did some contract work.
Made a television show.
Did you know that?
With the National Geographic Channel?
Yeah, I remember you mentioning that.
I think I'd seen it.
But yeah, did that, up until I started a company in 2015.
The first year of this company, it was all dedicated to market research.
Developing intellectual property.
Raising money.
And building inventory.
All those things you see on the Shark Tank that those entrepreneurs do.
We did, and I have partners.
And they are like the consumer product version of a, if there was a SEAL Team of designers...
like that.
That's who my partners are.
So, I would guess I would be truthful in stating you probably brought a lot of your experience
from the Navy with the SEAL's into the design.... absolutely.
We have to make the time that we train count.
So the ethicacy of training is ultra-important.
And that's what, we are bridging that gap through the products that we're bringing.
And we are maximizing efficiency.
Getting those synapses working.
Yep.
So you guys make some other products here?
Yes, and I know we've got to load your truck.
You guys got to head back.
But before you do, let's go and take a look.
Cool, let’s go.
Oh man, this thing is so light, it's crazy!
So we're in one of your warehousing rooms here.
Looks like you guys do some testing you were saying?
We have a little bit of in here.
It's for shows, it's for samples that we need to send out.
Just a little bit of working inventory.
And then we also do, ah, some proto-typing and testing and things like that.
So what you see on the back wall, different ideas that we are messing around with.
OK.
Very cool.
I see all kinds of different creatures back there, but we're not allowed to talk about
it.
We are not allowed to talk about it.
But this, ladies and gentlemen, this is where the real work happens.
Because up in the office it's climate controlled.
You don't sweat.
Down here.
It's not climate controlled.
It’s hot.
You do sweat.
This is where the real work happens.
So one more time.
Website is Triumph-Systems.com.
Triumph-Systems.com.
They have a dealer locator on there.
You can find a place locally that you can touch these.
Two-hundred places?
Yeah.
Two-hundred plus doors.
That's fantastic.
That's amazing.
And that should tell you something.
Dealers don't put things on the shelves they don't want to sell.
So this is Mickey with Carry Trainer dot com with our friend Jared Ogden.
We are going to have these out on the range soon.
You guys look for them in our upcoming videos.
Seek to get better.
Seek to be better.
Be well.
Help people shoot with firearms.
Help people train with firearms.
And my background as you know is ah, what the BLEEP are you laughing at?
If you're using the restroom and Mickey's next to you.
And he looks over and says nice watch.
Ha-ha.
I gotta grab a sip of some liquids.
What is Missouri's state motto?
The Show Me state?
Yeah.
Nah, I don't think their talking about that.
We are in the secret training facility of Triumph Systems at an undisclosed location,
but our corporate headquarters are in the Democrat Globe.
The old newspaper building in downtown St. Louis.
Besides my ball sack being soaking wet from standing in this sweat box.
Ha-ha.
The great thing about being based in downtown St. Louis as a firearms accessory company,
is half the time when we have to go to the range to proto-type and shoot something, there's
a gun fight going on between gang bangers.
So we just go outside to the side-walk.
Shoot our target.
And then we come back into the office.
It's awesome.
Why can't I watch?
I don't care about that...
Why can't I watch?
Just kidding guys.
But I'm inside the stall sitting down.
Are you looking over the stall?
Nice, handmade soap from the farm market.
You seem like the kind of guy that would use freakin super nice...
Glad this worked out.
Absolutely, thank you for coming down.
Now if we could just get you a hat that says GLOCK.
Ha-ha.
Let me do twenty pushups real quick and let me get big.
Fofo shit you get from boutique shops.
No No, it's from the farm market.
It's hand made by a hippy lady.
What did you call her?
Mother Mary?
Mad Dog.
You guys make some other products?
Yeah, so in fact ah, I know we gotta pack up and ... BLEEP.
Don't tell Mary I said that.
She will be so mad.
Soon we are going to have them at our next class in in Pennsylvania.
It's going to be sweet.
And we look forward to seeing guys at the swinger’s convention.
She is like your sweet aunt, until you upset her.
Until you fill out a form wrong.
When you fill out a form wrong and give it to Mary...
I'm an Old Spice original, deodorant, body wash.
That's my go to guys.
Touch my balls.
OK.
That was good.
We got a couple intros...