really offsets
with it is true that my my kinda first
in polls with this NSA story was when
when does this when does the disturbing and scary but also just really farcical
things start to come out about this
so we've right now we're having these big debates
on the role I love how aggressively we spy
and other nations whether there are allies are competitors
what is the balance between security and civil liberties how do we reform our
completely anemic fi systems actually protect civil liberties
all this stuff has been such a big deal
but the whole time I've been here I
just waiting for that revelation that there is an
you know NSA meeting I mean it was the go to example for Michael
each time this you had to assume it was happening had to assume you have to
assume but
but as Michael get into right now boo level the level of the level it's
happening to it just
it has a name has a name yeah it was a service a
so it it is called so say that you're an NSA employees
I and you just broken up with your girlfriend or
you've met a girl that your really interested
fancy in your in your kinda feeling
a little bit this
and I just the you know your computer guy
maybe a little phrase if a bit nervous the nerve spring you're putting it on
the line
and just like every other party your life you like things to be
data-driven quantifiable so maybe this this this young
jewel in your eye is also someone that you can
quantify in a certain way and and also maybe
potentially she has a boyfriend and I make their your supervisor
I think we should be following
this girls and cease
it's really stunning X with you think you think she's
you think she involved in terrorist activities owner knows it's more like
she's might be getting brought into them wrong crowd she's
what we need stating this guy GM's
think it's really weird that he's dating her you know his friends are the
Pakistani guy in college %uh
so if I want to release a monarch yeah in fact
supervisor minus the Shiva sisters are gradually contact their body over at our
Google system admin
is that yes system admin sack I'll be right on to help her get a track on her
and that bastard that's dating her look so he played the cross
I but so actually folks it is true
that now a new new new
a according to The Wall Street Journal that NSA employees have used these
programs to monitor
I love interests as well as ex-wife's X a husband's
that I perfect I and as Matt keep saying there's actually a phrase to describe it
and it's called
love in it lovin it le vent
as and legal event as in love intelligence so
you know basically I i lo according to the
Wall Street Journal the Lovins violations involve overseas
communications
I such a spy ring on it partner or spouse
I the in each instance apparently the employee was punished either with the
administrative action
or termination I but you know
maybe if they you know I don't know maybe it was the ability employees who
were caught doing does the employees are caught doing this as we always say
dennis et doesn't even know all the information and
that Edwards noted took an again ever snowed into these things but because by
all appearances whatever else he say about the guy he has a genuine concern
to reform are some these practices that he deemed problematic
now what if Edwards noted was actually a genuine spire espionage artist
NSA has no idea I what information they that he took even let alone someone who
is
who don't even wanna go and and go into public I
now you have these people sexual using an essay to stalk people
and god knows what an essay does or does not know
I and as gizmo tell wrote this up in the author said
I in conclusion arm creepy
but not exactly surprising and I think that that's the real brown that we're
getting to in this and it's a story at this point the creepy
but not exactly surprising phase we need to do some serious work your
I mean is its it's really shocking to me that
that this would be such a I mean the fact that its
it has a name so that means people people within the NSA know this is going
on
and it's a joke to them I mean why would this even have a name to this report it
right away this guy I thought this guy doing this
is to be stopped in is that there is the percussion so it's it's as as I just
read it really quick then I am long doggie
a 67 there's another word for that's called stalking
anyone this happens you should get a restraining order if they find out
I mean are you know this is giving
in a in our lives like a tween
we know as an example that if I you know spouses or something read each other's
email without permission that's really problematic in the contacts the
relationship and in this thing you're basically giving people
who are you know falling humans like everybody else the keys to an enormous
amount of information I'm sure some handle it with
utmost care and and sense to the owners live very professional people that work
at an essay but there's also people clearly aren't
and the reason why because we don't live in some silly libertarian utopia you
have tough laws is because not everybody's gonna act perfectly
so this is another illustration of the obvious
I and up but I agree I think
I think basically could be called stalking I other
you know certain you know in a in it creepy
and ridiculous way bus where to put it the report doesn't can even can go on to
discuss
what what happened as a result
of love Intel like there's nothing in the NSA documents
that's a what like what situations have occurred because it's
have any these an essay Intel people have they met with any these girls
great have a done anything using this information
what I think again the point is that maybe maybe NSA has a great process and
check for those things but as with all the other things we don't know
and that that just keeps coming back again and again and again you don't need
to jump to the worst conclusions about all these things to know that you don't
know
and that's the primary problem you don't even need to go anywhere else
in a democratic adversarial an open system
you need to know and have a degree of knowing things do I need to know that
we have a you know to a summit on the top secret levels at the North Korean
leadership
now to eat snow someone infiltrate al Qaeda in Yemen now
but do I need to know about massive mining about our information
and how that's being used yes the absolutely a funny thing is the former
you mention is the kinda stuff that the government
would leak to try to give themselves a pat on the back that's exactly right
when at the South I also heard that that's all apart the story we've been
dealing with cost