LOU:
BREAKING NEWS NOW, AS THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION WORKS TO STOP
VIOLENCE AT HOME, THEY’RE ALSO
WARNING OF A NEW THREAT FROM
COMMUNIST CHINA.
THE PENTAGON RELEASED A REPORT
TODAY TITLED MILITARY AND
SECURITY DEVELOPMENTS INVOLVING
THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
THE REPORT SAYS CHINA PLANS TO
DOUBLE ITS NUCLEAR WARHEAD
ARSENAL OVER THE NEXT DECADE.
THEY ALSO WARN CHINA’S TRYING TO
MATCH OR SURPASS THE UNITED
STATES AS A SUPERPOWER BY 2049.
BUT CHINA MAY NOT NEED 30 YEARS
IF THAT REPORT IS ACCURATE IN
OTHER DIMENSIONS.
THE PENTAGON REPORT SAYS THIS,
QUOTE: OVER THE NEXT DECADE,
CHINA’S NUCLEAR WARHEAD
STOCKPILE -- CURRENTLY ESTIMATED
IN THE LOW 200s -- IS
PROJECTED TO AT LEAST DOUBLE IN
SIZE AS CHINA EXPANDS AND
MODERNIZES ITS NUCLEAR FORCES.
THE REPORT RECOGNIZING CHINA’S
NAVY WHICH WAS CHARACTERIZED IN
THIS REPORT A YEAR AGO AS THE
LARGEST NAVY IN THE REGION, THIS
REPORT RECOGNIZES IT AS THE
LARGEST IN THE WORLD.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT TODAY
REVEALED MORE ABOUT FORMER MARIE
YOVANOVITCH’S EFFORTS TO SPY ON
THE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS OF 13
AMERICANS LAST YEAR.
I’M ON THAT LIST.
THE MEMOS WERE RELEASED UNDER A
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION LAWSUIT
BROUGHT BY JUDICIAL WATCH
SHOWING THE AMERICAN EMBASSY IN
UKRAINE MONITORED THE SOCIAL
MEDIA ACCOUNTS OF JOHN SOLOMON,
TOM FIT TON, DONALD TRUMP JR.,
SEAN HANNITY, ME AND OTHER
CONSERVATIVES.
THE SPYING ENDED AFTER THE
EMBASSY WAS TOLD BY THE TATE
DEPARTMENT THE ACTIONS WERE --
STATE DEPARTMENT THE ACTIONS
WERE BARRED BY FEDERAL LAW.
THAT DIDN’T COME UP DURING THOSE
FANTASTICAL HEARINGS, DID IT?
WELL, CHINA’S FOREIGN MINISTER
RAMPING UP CHINA’S RHETORIC,
CALLING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
A, QUOTE, RADICAL GROUP.
TALKING IN PARIS, HE TOLD THE
INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL
RELATIONS, QUOTE: WHAT WE ARE
SEEING NOW THAT SOME ARE AGAIN
MANEUVERING TO DRAW A NEW IRON
CURTAIN, ERECT ANOTHER BERLIN
WALL AND START A SECOND COLD
WAR.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CONSIDERING
FURTHER RESTRICTIONS TO STOP
CHINESE STUDENTS FROM STEALING
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THROUGH
THEIR PRESENCE IN OUR
UNIVERSITIES.
JUST A FEW DAYS AGO A CHINESE
RESEARCHER AT UCLA A ACCUSED OF
SENDING SOFTWARE TO THE PHA
CAUGHT DESTROYING A HARD DRIVE,
ANDS IT IS ONLY ONE AMONG MANY
AND GROWING NUMBERS OF
INCIDENTS.
JOINING US TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT
ALL OF THIS AND MUCH MORE, THE
UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF
STATE, MIKE POMPEO.
MR. SECRETARY, GOOD TO HAVE YOU
WITH US.
LET’S BEGIN WITH THE RHETORIC OF
THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, AND IT
IS MOVING UP QUITE A, TO QUITE
HEATED EXTREMES NOW.
YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT’S
GOING ON IN BEIJING.
>> LOU, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.
THAT WAS QUITE A LIST YOU READ
THERE WITH RESPECT TO THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY’S
AGGRESSION.
I THINK WHAT’S GOING ON, FOR THE
FIRST TIME IN THIS
ADMINISTRATION A PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES WHO ISN’T JUST
GOING TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK,
WHO’S PREPARED TO TAKE ON THIS
CHALLENGE.
IT’S 40 YEARS AND COMING.
FRANKLY, AMERICA SLEPT WHILE
CHINA GREW.
WE TALK ABOUT THEIR MISSILE
SYSTEMS, THEIR MILITARY, THE
TRADE ISSUES, ALL THE ECONOMIC
ISSUES YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT ON
YOUR SHOW FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS
AND MONTHS NOW, PRESIDENT
TRUMP’S TAKING EACH OF THESE ON
IN A SERIOUS WAYING OR AND I
THINK YOU SEE THE RHETORIC FROM
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
RATCHETING UP BECAUSE THEY ARE
FEELING THE PRESSURE THAT’S
BEING PUT ON THEM BY THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
LOU: AND THE ESHOO OF A -- THE
ISSUE OF A COLD WAR, AS THE
FOREIGN MINISTER SUGGESTEDDED,
BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES.
IT IS, IS IT NOT DECIDEDLY
ALREADY THAT?
>> LOU, THE KOHL WAR ANALOGY HAS
SOME RELEVANCE, BUT THE TRUTH OF
THE MATTER IS THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY MADE SOME
CHOICES WHETHER GENERAL
SECRETARY XI TRIED TO CREATE A
TYRANNICAL REGIME FOR GLOBAL
HEGEMONY, THE CHALLENGES ARE
DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE ECONOMIC CHANNELS HERE
AT HOME, WE HAD TO CLOSE THE
CONSULATE, THE CHINESE CONSULATE
IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, BECAUSE THERE
WERE SPIES OPERATING FROM THAT
PLACE.
IT HAD TRULY BECOME A DEN OF
SPIES.
THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE COLD
WAR IN THAT WE ARE CHALLENGED BY
A COUNTRY WITH 1.4 BILLION
PEOPLE, AN ECONOMY THAT HAD YEAR
ON YEAR GROWTH OF ABOUT 6% GDP,
AND IT COST MILLIONS OF JOBS
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
WE WILL PUSH BACK AGAINST THEM.
PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL PUSH BACK
AGAINST THEM ON EVERY ONE OF
THESE FRONTS.
LOU: AMONG THOSE FRONTS ARE THE
COMPANIES, THE FRONT COMPANIES
FROM THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF
CHINA IN THIS COUNTRY, HUNDREDS
UPON HUNDREDS TO THEM THAT ARE
STEALING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
WHETHER, BY WHATEVER MEANS.
INCLUDING CYBER, OF COURSE,
CYBER ATTACKS.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE HAPPEN?
THERE HAS BEEN SO LITTLE
ACKNOWLEDGMENT ON THE PART OF
CHINA THAT IT IS COMMITTING
CRIMES AGAINST THE UNITED STATES
AND CERTAINLY NO REMORSE.
ARE WE GOING TO CARRY OUT A FULL
ASSAULT ON THOSE WHO WOULD STEAL
OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, OUR
TECHNOLOGY SECRETS, OUR MILITARY
SECRETS?
>> I’M CONFIDENT THAT UNDER
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S LEADERSHIP WE
WILL, LOU.
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WORTH OF AMERICAN WEALTH FOR
ORDINARY WORKING CLASS FAMILIES,
MILLIONS OF JOBS LOST OVER THE
LAST 20 YEARS.
WE CAME IN WITH A LOT OF WORK TO
DO.
THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD
REFUSED TO CONFRONT THIS
CHALLENGE.
AND YOU’VE SEEN US DO IT WITH
RESPECT TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS,
HUAWEI, THE WORK THAT WE HAVE
DONE THERE HAS COST HUAWEI A LOT
BECAUSE IT WAS STEALING STUFF
FROM US.
AND NOW YOU’LL SEE AD BROADER
EFFORT.
THERE’LL BE ANNOUNCEMENTS, I
THINK, IN THE COMING DAYS AND
WEEKS WHERE YOU’LL SEE THE
UNITED STATES CONFRONT THIS IN A
VERY SERIOUS WAY ALL ALL TO THE
BENEFIT OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY
WHETHER THAT IS STUDENTS
STUDYING HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES THAT ARE PART OF THIS
NETWORK, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
INCIDENT AT UCLA, THERE WAS ONE
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA.
THE FBI AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
ARE WORKING ON THESE ISSUES TOO.
ALL THE PLACES WHERE THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY HAS SIMPLY
REFUSED TO BEHAVE LIKE A NORMAL
NATION AND COMPETE ON NORMAL
COMMERCIAL TERMS.
AMERICA’S TURNED ITS CHEEK FOR
DECADES, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S NOT
GOING TO CONTINUE TO LET THAT
HAPPEN.
IT’S TIME TO EXECUTE AND
IMPLEMENT THE PRESIDENT’S
CENTRAL.
LOU: AT LAST COUNT THERE WERE 75
OF THE SO-CALLED CONFUCIUS
INSTITUTES IN K-12 AMERICAN
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITY
CAMPUSES.
HOW MANY WILL THERE BE BY THE
END OF THIS YEAR?
>> I HOPE THE ANSWER’S ZERO,
LOU.
WE’VE MADE CLEAR THAT THESE ARE
FOREIGN MISSIONS.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT’S
DESIGNATED THEM AS SUCH IS.
THAT’S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW
THEY COME UNDER A SET OF
RESTRICTIONS AND RULES.
I THINK MOST UNIVERSITIES AND,
FRANKLY, WE’VE HAD THESE
CONFUCIUS INSTITUTIONS PLACES
OTHER THAN AMERICAN COLLEGES.
I THINK EVERYONE’S COMING TO SEE
THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM
AND THE RECRUITMENT OF SPIES AND
COLLABORATORS INSIDE OF THOSE
INSTITUTIONS.
I THINK THESE INSTITUTIONS CAN
SEE THAT, AND I’M HOPEFUL WE
WILL GET THEM ALL CLOSED OUT
BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR.
LOU: AND THE PROSPECT THAT
CHINESE STUDENTS WILL JUST
SIMPLY BE DISALLOWED IN THE
UNITED STATES BECAUSE THEY HAVE
BEEN THE AGENTS, IF YOU WILL, OF
ESPIONAGE AMONGST THE MANY
AGENTS OF ESPIONAGE IN THIS
COUNTRY WORKING FOR THE CCP.
>> I DON’T KNOW WHAT DECISION
THE PRESIDENT WILL OPENLY MAKE
WITH RESPECT TO BROAD ARRAY OF
CHINESE STUDENTS, BUT YOUR POINT
IS WELL TAKEN.
THERE AREN’T ALL SPIES --
[LAUGHTER]
BUT MANY OF THEM ARE BEING
WATCHED.
THEIR FAMILIES BACK HOME ARE
BEING WATCHED.
THESE ARE EFFORTS FROM THE
CHINESE GOVERNMENT, THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY IN PARTICULAR,
TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT MIGHT
ULTIMATELY WORK ON THEIR BEHALF.
LOU: THE COMPLEXITY, OR THE
DEPTH OF THE COMPLEXITY AND THIS
CHALLENGE AND THREAT FROM THE
PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA HAS
TO BE MET ON SO MANY LEVELS AND
IN SO MANY THEATERS INCLUDING
AMONGST OUR ALLIES WHETHER THEY
BE IN EUROPE OR SOUTHEAST ASIA,
WE KNOW THAT INDIA, MODI HAS
SENT A WARSHIP INTO THE SOUTH
CHINA SEA, AN ACT IN RESPONSE IT
IS AT LEAST INTERPRETED AS SUCH
AGAINST THE CLASHES ON THE
BORDER WITH CHINA.
AND ALSO, IT APPEARS, WITH SOME
AFFINITY WITH THE U.S. NAVY THAT
IS IN THE SOUTH CHINA SEA.
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH INDIA IN
MEETING THE THREAT FROM CHINA.
>> LOU, IT’S CENTRAL THAT WE
HAVE FRIENDS AND ALLIES IN THIS
BATTLE.
WE WORKED FOR TWO YEARS TO BUILD
THAT UP.
WE’VE MADE REAL PROGRESS.
YOU’VE SEEN A LOT OF COUNTRIES
TURN AWAY FROM HUAWEI,
ACKNOWLEDGE -- THEY SLEPT ON THE
THREAT THE SAME WAY AMERICA DID,
FOR TWO DECADES.
I THINK YOU’RE SEEING THE ENTIRE
WORLD BEGIN TO UNITE AROUND A
CENTRAL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE
CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY SIMPLY
IS GOING TO REFUSE TO COMPETE IN
A FAIR AND RECIPROCAL,
TRANSPARENT WAY.
SO WHETHER IT’S OUR FRIENDS IN
INDIA, FRIENDS IN AUSTRALIA,
FRIENDS IN JAPAN AND SOUTH
KOREA, I THINK THEY’VE ALL COME
TO SEE THE RISK TO THEIR OWN
PEOPLE, AND YOU’LL SEE THEM
PARTNER WITH THE UNITED STATES
TO PUSH BACK ON EVERY FRONT THAT
WE’VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING.
LOU: THE MOST ENERGETIC OF
LOBBYISTS IN CORPORATE AMERICA
AND WALL STREET HAS BEEN
BlackROCK.
AND BlackROCK ANNOUNCING THAT
IT WILL BE SETTING UP THE FIRST
MUTUAL FUND IN CHINA WITHOUT
JOINT VENTURE PARTNERS OR ANY
CONSTRAINTS, APPARENT
CONSTRAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN THE
CASE FOR 20 YEARS THERE.
THIS LOOKS PECULIAR GIVEN THE
TENSIONS BETWEEN THE TWO
COUNTRIES AND THE FACT THAT
BlackROCK HAS BEEN AMONG THOSE
INSTITUTIONS WORKING AGAINST
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S VALUES AND
INSISTENCE ON POLICY TO
CONSTRAIN CHINA.
WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF THAT?
>> LOU, I DON’T WANT TO SPEAK TO
ANY PARTICULAR SINGLE PRIVATE
COMPANY, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE,
THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE CLEAR OUR
EXPECTATIONS FOR COMPLYING WITH
U.S. LAW, COMPLYING WITH ALL OF
THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE
HERE IN PLACE THAT WE WANT A
FAIR AND RESIP PROCALL TRADE
RELATIONSHIP.
YOU SAW THIS IN NEGOTIATIONS
OVER THE TRADE DEAL.
WE DIDN’T GET THE BIG DEAL DOWN.
MOST ADMINISTRATIONS WOULD HAVE
CAVED, PRESIDENT TRUMP REFUSED
TO DO THAT, AND I THINK YOU’LL
SEE MORE THAT FOLLOWS ON THE
ECONOMIC FRONT THAT’LL BE REALLY
IMPORTANT TO SECURE JOBS AND
WEALTH FOR PEOPLE HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES.
LOU: WELL, WE’VE SEEN ALMOST
FOUR YEARS OF IT FROM THIS
ADMINISTRATION, SO WE LOOK
FORWARD TO A REPLICATION.