numbers speak of the devil's, right? And he shall appear
Chris Simms when talking about you
since last week.
Good to see you brother.
So let's do it this way. You were have revealed your top
force, is our last conversation, Michael. And
I have each done top 10 list which we will invite you to
s*** on in a second. But first
the top for like I ain't trippin off your top four.
I kind of, I know you. So I knew it was going to be Josh Allen
and just
elimination. I figured it'd be my home.
I gotta imagine
that you struggled,
but we'll get to Ireland's in a second. But I got to imagine
that you struggled with Herbert over burrow, or did you?
It was close. It really is closed. Now,
I think that know, I think what I definitively came out of it,
I looked at it a little bit like, okay, here we go. We got
Josh Allen and Mahomes
there into me their own little tear.
Okay, I'm gonna say that right off the bat
and then Came the
Herbert burrow, Aaron Rodgers conversation, which to me was
very tough to differentiate through that there was but
Herbert to me,
the big thing is,
you know, again,
I don't know. To me, he's the best. He's the best at
the pockets. Clean is the best. Throw over the football in
the NFL, he just, he hits the bullseye and can make every
throw in the world. When things are clean, let alone, when
people collapse on
him. He's so big. He can throw over the line of scrimmage
people. Hang on him, he's Great there now where he's not as
good as my homes and Alan is,
you know, the awkward throws, the body being in an awkward
position. He's not as good as getting into backyard football,
maybe as he should be for as athletic as he is. I think
that's something he's got to get better at,
but I think the main thing that I came away with when I was to
Herbert and Borough was I just went, oh my gosh, Herbert makes
so many game-changing throws
every football game
that you don't we become.
Sensitized to it because he makes it look so easy and so
good. So it wasn't easy there, but I think I do, I think
Herbert deserves to be three boroughs, the man nipping at
his heels
heels, at number 4,
Rogers at 5:00 and I told you a little bit last week. Why, that
is the 49ers is a microcosm of Aaron Rodgers. It went on
throughout the year to,
with too conservative and moments letting teams crawl
back into the game when they should not have and there was
Has to put them away, it just didn't come back to bite them
in the butt, like it did against the playoff team that
was as talented as his
team. You can get away with that and the NFC North against
the middle class the lower class of the NFL. And to me,
that's where burrow and and Herbert separate themselves
from Rogers right now. Yeah. But see the thing about Burr,
I see,
okay, so basically what you're saying is if I could deduce
from everything you're saying, right? Like if you had to 20
draft all over again, you taking Herbert over burrow
or even now, obvious starting to team you taking Urban over
Borough. I mean, like you said, If ever there lie? Yes,
the thing. Yeah, probably about Borough, man. I, you know. And,
you know, I don't know if he told you this one. Yes, it
is with him. I don't know how you guys had worked that out.
Was it awkward at all? But
what do you think about borough is his rarely clean for him?
And to do just came off of season, which included, 70
percent of his passes and took a team to the Super Bowl. It's
like I love Justin Herbert Straits who doesn't, how can
you not? But he hadn't done anything with all due respect.
It's like
at a certain point.
Doesn't the,
you know, again with Stafford like we talk you and I both
agree on set right? Once you start to kind of like, take
a team where it hasn't gone before, in three decades that's
got to count for something. Let alone Burrows it does. The
borough's package,
I know,
no, no doubt it does. But, you know, again, so we've had two
years in the NFL and, you know, you want to say Borough one
last year, whatever. And I would say, noburo maybe one
the last few weeks of the Year where he really came on and
then had the playoff run.
But damn, I mean
The Chargers and below average defense. No, Run game and just,
hey, go for it. Just in Herbert and we're just going to put it
all on you two.
I don't think you can disqualify that and what he
does that. Now your point. No, and your point with Borough,
listen to that is real,
you know? Like, yeah, that's
him
right there. Like Chris Chris, how you got me, a three-door,
how you gonna put her? But that's their, you try to
explain it to him right there, right? That's what you try to
do that.
He opens in the top four and that I think
That was, he was happy enough with that. And like I said,
it's closed. Herbert,
Herbert is not as good as Joe burrow in the pocket to your
point. Joe is arguably the best in the pocket and football and
he's slippery as can be.
There's no doubt about that and he is accurate. But I don't sit
here and go who I think he's more accurate than Justin
Herbert. I'm going to call that a push his offense lends itself
to maybe a few more short passes and things
that allow him to get the numbers. Up at the completion
percentage department. And if there's a an issue with Herbert
that I would say is a little bit of a negative is all
I call. Really big arm quarterbacks. He's always
looking like I can squeeze it in there that first guys going
to come open
by half an inch and I'll fire it in there. But
to me these four guys at the top are the future of
the least. Put a nominal football players at ain't going anywhere
anytime soon. Exactly. Are you splitting hairs with this
group?
Well, brother sins, I have my top ten list.
I have Josh Allen at number two and that that's appropriate for
a Buffalo Bill because they're used to being runners-up but
not really being the Champions
but you've got, you've got Josh Allen,
I thought that was good. Come on, Mike. That's a good lie.
Okay. Hoping they're
okay. I guess that's better than he just, not that good.
But okay, go ahead. Could you were saying
all right?
Hey, Phil Simms knows about Buffalo, Phil Simms those about
the Buffalo Bills and Chris Simms, the whole Sam's family.
Y'all gotta ring off the off the Buffalo Bills. All right.
So look
you put Alan at one though
and I think he is he should be too
based on his talent, but I give them the homes that edge
because of what he's actually done what he's accomplished. He
has Hardware's teams always been in the conference
Championship Game. Why do you?
Why is Alan the best quarterback in football on your list? List.
Well, that's where
he again. I'm not going into the career achievement as
a totality career-wise. Yes, Mahomes is greater than Josh
Alan. I understand that
Mahomes is not played as good, a football, as Josh out in
the last two seasons, all right, that's the first thing I would
say and don't forget us tools
and this,
the last two seasons. Yes, the year before when they went to
the AFC and NFC Championship game. Yes. Josh Allen had
a better year and really all categories he did. Well,
so, I but I also in that year went man.
Patrick Mahomes got to the Super Bowl with some of
the worst pass protection I've ever seen. And we didn't even care
about it, because he just made magic happen. That was close
two years ago. Last year was Mahomes one
Allen to? Here's where I would say. It's split for me when
I went back and I watched the season and do all that first
off. Josh Allen Mahomes arm,
I think Alan's arm is
actually more explosive than Patrick Mahomes.
Now, I don't know. If it's quite as creative and
the sidearm and all the deliveries, I'll give them a homes, the,
the advantage there, you know, as far as
you know, running,
they're both good Runners Josh. Allen's, the second best runner
in football on there than Lamar Jackson, there's nobody better
at running the ball than Josh Allen scrambling running.
Whatever it is, it's really special,
but the biggest thing. I think we're, he separated a little
bit this year would just be from the pure in the pocket
decision-making. Don't forget, we went through a middle part.
Year where Patrick Mahomes played very average football,
he did and was not good at the pocket and lend himself into
a lot of sacks and trouble that made his offense of line look.
Like they were the issue and I want to go. No, it's you,
you're floating
backwards and backpedaling
for no reason, you know, to the side with the pockets perfect
or he's running out of the pocket and not stepping up when
it's perfect. And then, of course, some of
the decision-making as well that we talked about during the year
and I know The Dungey and I broke
it down on Sunday Night Football a few times where it
was just too greedy. It was too, I'm looking for the big
play all the time
and that's why they started off in a bit of a slow. Start was,
you know, there was people open their was there things there to
be had and he was trying to make too much happen and I feel
like Josh Allen played the position a little bit more true
to form this year.
Made every bit as many plays with his arm
and more plays with his legs.
And does not have The Supporting Cast on the off.
The side of the ball patch for homes as that's not even close,
it's not even arguable.
You know what?
It hit me. It hit it. Hit me during this conversation.
You know, you could be at the gym and you could be next to
somebody and y'all on the same machine. During the same doing
the same workout but not really like y'all ain't doing the same
thing. May be doing the same exercise but
not the same way
it just hit me like
these lists that all three of us have done.
We don't we're doing completely different exercises
because Sarah, that's right. I got Brady number one, but like
listening to you just now breakdown yours and correct. It
stop me if I'm not if I'm not describing this, right?
This Is
a technicians list. This is who plays the position. This is
an expert looking at fit for you.
Is it expert looking at film?
How somebody executes the quarterback position
style of play consistency, mechanics,
arm Talent, whatever you want to call it. This is like
how they play the position.
I'm just looking at it more from a like
you're who I want quarterback in my team.
And so for Brady's, number one, for me, I know,
I know that makes you throw up in your mouth but Brady's
number one reason. No,
no, no, not because he's as special as the other guys are,
but because I refused to
disqualify him or reduce him based off like, oh,
he's got protection. He's got great receivers
in an Ideal World. They all would none of them
particularly, like pressure most of them when you get in
their face they're not as effective for the most part
Jill boroughs of the world aside. So a Brady for me is the
Dude, that I would imagine
defense is fear the most with the ball in his hand, in
the game on the line.
And it's not just what he's done in the past. It's what
he's capable of doing. Now, even at 44 years old and in
Rogers, for me, is number two, because I got to put some
respect on a two-time MVP, his name,
he's still just as good as ever.
Has he faltered in the playoffs? Yes.
As you know, all of us not on him,
he needs a liar. He's part of. He needs to blame
you know, his lines share of the blame
but
You know, I wanted to tell you how exceptional he is. So
I think what I realized and last week I was just in start
shocking at some of the rankings
is like you were doing it. Strictly from a, how somebody
plays the position perspective as opposed to? Who do you want?
Who do you want on your team?
Who would you draft? You know, well, a done for me lately.
None of that stuff. Yeah that stuff is like. No. It's all
right. Now where we are right at this second. We're all in
the same. We don't have the advantage of, oh, I'm have
the best team or the best offensive coordinator around me.
And then I go into,
yes, physical ability decision-making. Smarts
you know, pocket presence,
and then your effect on the team,
Brady is amazing. I mean he is there's no doubt about it,
I get that but I don't think the league was as scared as
Brady in 2019. Brady, with that team. If it was late in
the game, they were going to take over,
they were good. They were
the old s*** Mahomes and Allen are coming. It wasn't Brady,
and that group. Again, I will say, brady can do more with
more. He can't do more with less. That's the thing I will
argue the case, there's no way,
there's no way.
There's no way I
could get to the Super Bowl with that Bangles football team
or get to the divisional. I'll
build suppose a man. Yeah.
Oh my God.
Seen it look hey Tom Brady got to a Super Bowl
with the 31st ranked defensive football in 2011
and your giant war with more thing.
They all your
self, they all got talent, around him, some more than
others, but they all have talent around him, none of
them.
None of them is Thorne is catching their own passes.
Like oh no hours. Got the least amount of talent around him out
of anybody in the top. Up for. But yes, to me right now again
has the least amount of talent
Alan
out of the top four. They made
about Holly what. All right, I'm not arguing with that one.
I'll name a Dallas in the lab that's why he's the best
running back.
I wouldn't say every
war
by comparison to the top four.
It's a burrow and a to a building that Michael Holly
here, you're going to say yes, Jamar Chase Hagen's, Joe Mixon
and Boyd
or you're going to say he's gay.
This is nice. Gabriel Davis before touchdown,
but John challenge do running Michael Holly, there was
a whole other 18 games where he had 500 yards for the rest of
the year. That's okay.
He's not in the classic Arie killed. Kelsey,
he's got a whole Hardman.
He's got Dawson knock. So you can't. And bring up his name,
your just saw him a good tight at I need. I know he's got
a good tie that I just can't remember his name. He ain't
Travis Kelce, you see jehu Zuma. So, he ain't that good.
Can't remember, he's got going down
and around and out of all the for.
Yes, he's got ya.