LET'S
LET'S TOSS IT OVER TO ANGELA. >> THANKS.
>> THANKS. WE FEATURED HIM ON THE SHOW
JUST THREE YEARS AGO.
NOT ON THIS SHOW, BUT KING 5. A
UW PROFESSOR KNOWN FOR BAKING
HUNDREDS OF HOMEMADE CHOCOLATE
CLIP COOKIES FOR STIEWRNTS --
CHIP COOKIES FOR STUDENTS.
HE WROTE AN ARTICLE THAT PEOPLE
THINK HE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR
WHICH IS "WHY WOMEN DON'T
CODE."
CODE."
CODE." HE
CODE." HE SAID WE WILL NOT ATTRACT
WOMEN TO TECHNOLOGY AND HAS
LESS TO DO WITH OPPORTUNITY AND
MORE TO DO WITH GENDER
DIFFERENCES.
DIFFERENCES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
WITH US, DR. REGES.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> YOU KNEW THIS WOULD BE
HURTFUL TO SOME.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
>> YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY?
>> I DO UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT I
THINK THERE ARE IMPORTANT
ISSUES HERE.
ISSUES HERE. I THINK THAT THE ANGER OVER
THIS ISSUE IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO
HAVE A VERY NEGATIVE STORY.
THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
OPPRESSION GOING ON AND I THINK
THAT STORY IS GOING TO MAKE IT
HARDER FOR US TO MAKE PROGRESS
WITH WOMEN IN COMPUTER SCIENCE.
>> YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S
PREPRESSING?
PREPRESSING? >> I DO, BUT I THINK THE MORE
SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IS CHOICES
PEOPLE ARE MAKING.
I THINK WOMEN ARE NOT CHOOSING
TO DO COMPUTER SCIENCE.
I THINK THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IT
BUT THEY ARE CHOOSING OTHER
PROFESSIONS.
PROFESSIONS. >> I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE
REACTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA HERE
ON THE SHOW WE WANT TO HAVE
THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSIONS AND I'M
GOING INTO THIS WITH AN OPEN
MIND TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO
SAY.
SAY.
SAY. SOME
SAY. SOME PEOPLE FELT WE SHOULDN'T
GIVE YOU A PLATFORM.
SOME SAID I'VE SEEN A LOT OF
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ARTICLE.
I DISAGREE WITH MANY COMMENTS
ABOUT IT, BUT I'M SADDENED BY
CALLS HE SHOULDN'T BE TEACHING.
HE'S A HUGE ADD VO CAT FOR
WOMEN'S -- ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN
STUDIES.
STUDIES.
STUDIES. AND STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
THIS.
THIS.
THIS. AND
THIS. AND ONE THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL
REASON WRONG WITH THIS TAKE.
IT'S SOMEONE ASKING UW TO
COMMENT ON THIS AND POINTING TO
WOMEN DON'T WANT TO AND WE WILL
NEVER REACH GENDER PARITY.
YOU'RE SAYING WE ARE CHOOSING
NOT TO AND THE QUESTION IS WHY.
YOUR REASON WHY HAS TO DID WITH
WHAT?
WHAT?
WHAT? >>
WHAT? >> WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY.
I MENTION SEVERAL STUDIES THAT
HAD SOME INTERESTING THEORIES
THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LOOKING
INTO.
INTO.
INTO. ONE
INTO. ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY IS THAT
WOMEN HAVE ABILITIES THAT MEN
DON'T, SO ONE OF THE STUDIES
THAT I TALKED ABOUT SHOWED THAT
PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGH MATH
ABILITY AND ALSO HIGH VERBAL
ABILITY TEND NOT TO GO INTO
S.T.E.M.
S.T.E.M.
S.T.E.M. DISCIPLINES AND
DISCIPLINES AND THAT'SDISPROPORTIONATELY WOMEN.
THAT'SDISPROPORTIONATELY WOMEN. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WOMEN
ARE LESS CAPABLE.
IT COULD BE WOMEN HAVE
CAPABILITIES THAT MEN DON'T
HAVE AND THAT LEADS THEM TO
HAVE MORE CAREER OPTIONS THAN
THEY WOULD OTHERWISE.
>> SO OUR VIEWERS HAVE CONTEXT
AS THEY LISTEN TO YOUR TAKE ON
SOME OF THIS, YOU WORKED AT
STANFORD FOR A BIT.
YOU WERE FIRED FROM STANFORD
BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE
A POINT ABOUT THE WAR ON DRUGS
AND KNEW THAT COULD HAPPEN.
>> THAT IS TRUE.
>> YOU'VE BEEN KNOWN TO MAKE
BIG ADVANCES IN TERMS OF GENDER
ADVANCEMENT AT UW.
TELL US DOING THAT?
>> IT'S BEEN A BIG PART OF
EVERYWHERE I'VE GONE.
WE HAVE OVER 40% WOMEN IN OUR
FIRST COMPUTER SCIENCE COURSE.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN
TRYING TO GET MORE WOMEN TO
CHECK OUT COMPUTER SCIENCE AND
IN OUR MAJOR, BUT WE'VE KIND OF
STALLED AT THAT 30% LEVEL.
WHAT I'M WRITING ABOUT IS THAT
I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT
WHERE NOW IT'S MORE A MATTER OF
CHOICES AND I THINK WOMEN ARE
JUST NOT CHOOSING.
>> I HAVE TO SAY WHEN WE SAW
THIS ONE ARTICLE, WE'VE HAD THE
COMPUTER SCIENCE MAJORS DROP
FROM 1984 TO 2014.
THIS PARTICULAR STUDY IS SAYING
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT -- THEY SHOW
THAT IF GIRLS AREN'T EXPOSED TO
IT AND ENCOURAGED BY IT IN
MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY ARE NOT
GOING TO GET THERE.
WHY NOT PUT YOUR FOCUS THERE IN
TERMS OF HOW WOMEN OR GIRLS ARE
SOCIALIZED EARLY ON?
WHY NOT PUT THE FOCUS THERE AS
OPPOSED TO SAYING WE'RE MAKING
CHOICES.
CHOICES.
CHOICES. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHY.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO ALL OF THOSE
THINGS.
THINGS.
THINGS. I
THINGS. I FEEL THAT THIS INSISTENCE
THAT WE GET TO 50-50 MEN,
WOMEN, AND UNTIL WE REACH 50-
50, THERE MUST BE OPPRESSION, I
THINK THAT'S A DANGEROUS IDEA
TO HAVE AND I THINK IT'S
LEADING US TO DO THINGS THAT
ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE MOVEMENT.
I THINK THAT -- WELL, I COULD
BE WRONG.
BE WRONG.
BE WRONG. I'D LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG.
I'D LOVE FOR US TO BECOME 50-
50.
50.
50. I
50. I GAVE MY HONEST OPINION THAT I
DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT TO THIS
IS THAT YOU SAID IT YOURSELF.
PEOPLE SAID YOU SHOULDN'T GIVE
ME A PLATFORM.
PEOPLE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY
WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S A DANGEROUS THING WHEN
PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO
DISCUSS SOMETHING OPENLY.
>> RIGHT, AND IN GENERAL, I
AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT.
I WOULD JUST SAY WHEN I THINK
ABOUT MY DAUGHTER SITTING AT
HOME AND SOMEONE SUGGEST THAT
SHE MAY BE WIRED DIFFERENTLY
THAT WILL CAUSE HER TO MAKE A
DIFFERENT CHOICE BECAUSE SHE'S
BETTER IN READING, I DON'T WANT
TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE IT MAY
DISCOURAGE HER FROM PURSUING
SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. I GET YOUR POINT.
I HATE IT BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF
TIME.
TIME.
TIME. I
TIME. I WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO READ EVERYTHING
THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SO IF YOU
TEXT THE WORD "CODE" TO 206-448-
4545 AND WE'LL SEND YOU THE
ESSAY.
ESSAY.
ESSAY. TEXT THE WORD "CODE" TO US AND
I APPRECIATE YOU ESPECIALLY IN
LIGHT OF ALL THE CRITICISM
COMING ON THE SHOW AND BEING
WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
YEAH, YEAR NOT GOING TO
SILENCEEVERYONE FOR