SUIT AGAINST THE AVIATION, THE HELICOPTER COMPANY.
HELICOPTER COMPANY. >> YEP.
>> YEP. >> ALL RIGHT.
WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
AHEAD OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE IN
SOUTH CAROLINA, THOUGH, AND FOUR
DAYS BEFORE THE PRIMARY THE
LATEST NBC NEWS MARIST POLL
SHOWS JOE BIDEN WITH A NIR OHARR
LEAD OVER BERNIE SANDERS IN THAT
STATE.
STATE. BIDEN 23%, SANDERS, 26%.
SIX-POINT MARGIN OF ERROR
FOLLOWED BY TOM STEYER WHO’SES
$20 MILLION IN AD SPENDING
POWERED HIM TO 15% IN THE STATE.
PETE BUTTIGIEG NOW AT 9%.
ELIZABETH WARREN AT 8%, AMY
KLOBUCHAR, 5%.
KLOBUCHAR, 5%. >> ALL RIGHT.
SO WE’LL GO THROUGH INSIDE OF
THE POLL, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT,
STEVE KORNACKI LOOKING AT THOSE
NUMBERS.
NUMBERS. FOR ME THE BIG QUESTION MARK IS
TOM STEYER.
TOM STEYER. HE HAD BIG POLL NUMBERS IN
NEVADA, BUT NEVER TRANSLATED TO
VOTES.
VOTES. NOT SURE IF IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN
THERE.
THERE. THIS, OF COURSE, CAME ON THE
HEELS OF A PPP POLL A COUPLE
HOURS EARLIER SHOWING JOE BIDEN
WITH ABOUT A 15-POINT LEAD.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THESE POLLS?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. LOOK, THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE
BIDEN FIREWALL STATE.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD
THAT OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS?
SEVE MARGINS THE LAST SIX MONTHS
BIGGER THAN FOUR POINTS BUT IT’S
GOOD NEWS FOR HIM COMING OFF THE
PERFORMANCE HE’S HAD IN THE
FIRST FOUR STATES TO BE LEADING
IN A POLL LIKE THIS.
THE BLACK VOTE, MORE THAN HALF
THE ELECTORATE WILL BE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN ON SATURDAY.
HE WHO A 15-POINT ADVANTAGE
THERE OVER BERNIE SANDERS, BUT
REALLY WHAT JUMPS OUT AT ME IS
HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN
BEFORE THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK.
AND HALF OF THIS POLL WAS TAKEN
AFTER THAT DEBATE LAST WEEK.
AND IN THE PRE-DEBATE HALF OF
THE POLL, BIDEN’S LEAD OVER
SANDERS WAS TEN POINTS.
IN THE POST-DEBATE HALF, DEAD
EVEN.
EVEN. TELLING YOU THE DEBATES REALLY
CAN MOVE NUMBERS.
NOT ONE OF THESE BIG EARLY
VOTING STATES LIKE IN NEVADA
WHERE ALL VOTES WERE CAST BEFORE
THE DEBATE.
THE DEBATE. THIS DEBATE TONIGHT CAN MATTER A
LOT.
LOT. >> WOW.
>> WOW. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. SO LET’S MOVE ON AND LOOK AT --
GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD. >> AMONG VOTERS IN, BLACK VOTERS
IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BIDEN HAS
35%.
35%. SANDERS, 20%.
SANDERS, 20%. STEYER, 19% AND WARREN 7%.
NO ONE ELSE GOT ABOVE 4%.
>> WILLIE, THIS REALLY IS,
AGAIN -- THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE
MAYOR PETE, WHO DID SO WELL IN
THE FIRST FEW STATES NOW, OF
COURSE, STRUGGLING.
COURSE, STRUGGLING. HE’S GOING TO BE STRUGGLING OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS TO SHOW
THAT HE CAN BE VIABLE
NATIONALLY, BECAUSE HE JUST
STILL IS NOT ABLE TO GET VOTES
AMONG MANY BLACK SOUTH
CAROLINIANS AND BLACK DEMOCRATS.
SAME WITH ELIZABETH WARREN.
DOWN AT I -- WHAT IS SHE?
7%.
7%. >> YEP.
>> YEP. >> SO RIGHT NOW IT IS BERNIE AND
BIDEN AND STEYER WHO ARE DOING
PRETTY WELL WITH THE BLACK VOTE.
>> THE ARGUMENT FOR PETE
BUTTIGIEG WAY BACK WHEN WAS, IF
HE WINS DOES WELL IN IOWA, IN
NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE PRAGMATIC
VOTERS IN SOUTH CAROLINA WILL
TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT HIM AND
HE’LL DO BETTER.
WELL, HE DID WIN IN IOWA IN
TERMS OF PLEDGED DELEGATES AND
STILL FLATLINING AMONG
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS. OBVIOUSLY, A HUGE PROBLEM FOR
HIMMANTS
HIMMANTS HIM.
HIM. >> AND THE PROGRESSIVE GROUP,
ALL CLUMPED TOGETHER NOT SO LONG
AGO WITH WARREN AND BUTTIGIEG,
AND SANDERS, BUT SANDERS
ACTUALLY HAS SEEN HIS SUPPORT
AMONG BLACK VOTERS SLOWLY RISE
UP.
UP. >> THAT’S -- YEAH.
>> AND THE MAKING ALL THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> THAT’S THE INTEREST THING.
WILLIE MENTIONS PETE BUTTIGIEG.
NEVADA HAS A SIGNIFICANT BLACK
POPULATION.
POPULATION. ONE IN TEN VOTES IN THE CAUCUSES
WERE AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
WERE AFRICAN-AMERICANS. BUTTIGIEG GOT 2%.
MONTHS OF TALK ABOUT IOWA AND
NEW HAMPSHIRE ROLLING IT INTO
BROADER SUPPORT, GOT 2% IN THE
FIRST TEST OF IT.
SANDERS IS INTERESTING.
THINK BACK FOUR YEARS AGO AT
THIS TIME.
THIS TIME. WON NEW HAMPSHIRE NARROWLY LOST
IOWA AND THE QUESTION FOR
SANDERS FOUR YEARS AGO WAS,
COULD HE ATTRACT SIGNIFICANT
AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUPPORT AGAINST
HILLARY CLINTON?
HILLARY CLINTON? MAKE IT A GAME IN SOUTH
CAROLINA?
CAROLINA? MAKE IS A GAME WITH BLACK VOTERS
THROUGHOUT THE SOUTH IN
PARTICULAR?
PARTICULAR? SOUTH CAROLINA WAS THE TEST OF
THAT FOUR YEARS AGO, AND AMONG
BLACK VOTERS, IT WAS HILLARY
CLINTON 86% TO 14%.
LOST THE BLACK VOTE BY 72 POINTS
FOUR YEARS AGO AND IS DOWN IN
THIS ONE BY 15, BUT AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO
POTENTIALLY WITH A GOOD DEBATE,
THIS POLL, TAKEN BEFORE THAT
RESULT FROM NEVADA.
IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF
BANDWAGON EFFECT COMES FROM HIM