the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp trial has been going on for
what feels like an eternity.
And it has sharply divided people in the country because of course it did.
Everything divides people in the country with individuals either
siding with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard.
And based on the several days of testimony,
the weeks of testimony at this point, I think it's pretty clear that both
of them are guilty of contributing to an incredibly toxic and abusive relationship.
So I wanna make my case here because anyone who thinks that Amber Heard is
totally innocent is wrong,
anyone who thinks that Johnny Depp is entirely innocent is also wrong.
Now in this case, Johnny Depp is suing Amber Heard his now ex
wife who he was with for several years.
He's suing for defamation, an incredibly difficult thing to prove in court.
However, he has given his best shot.
His legal team is pretty.
I think effective in in the arguments that they're making and
they have provided some evidence indicating that Amber Heard was also both
physically and psychologically abusive toward him in their relationship.
Now, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's relationship began more than a decade ago
and eventually devolved into what appears to be a pretty toxic marriage.
The couple split in 2016 but have continued to battle in court over this
op-ed that Amber heard had written for the Washington post in 2018,
in which she described surviving domestic violence.
She didn't mention Depp by name, but
it's obviously clear that she was referring toJjohnny Depp.
Now in the op-ed Heard writes this.
I became a public figure representing domestic abuse and
I felt the full force of our culture's wrath for women who speak out.
Now Depp is suing for $50 million in damages and
denies ever being physical violent with Herd.
Herd is countersuing for 100 million and claims that she was only ever
violent with Depp in self defense or defense of her younger sister.
So, I actually wanna skip ahead right now and go to the first video because this
was a piece of evidence that was presented by Johnny Depp and his legal team.
And it was evidence that showed that Amber Heard was willing to
start a physical altercation to start it, okay?
And I think it's an important piece of evidence.
Let's take a listen.
>> I said to Travis, I said no, I said tell Travis what just happened.
>> You told me to do it.
He told me to do that.
>> Tell them what you said [CROSSTALK] That you punched me.
[CROSSTALK] And you said.
>> I didn't punch you.
[CROSSTALK] I'm sorry that I didn't hit you across the face in a proper slot,
but I was hitting you.
It was not punching you babe.
You're not punched.
>> Don't tell me what it feels like to be punched.
>> You know even a lot of fights.
Been around a long time.
You didn't get punched.
You got hit.
I'm sorry, I hit you like this.
But I did not punch you, I did not [INAUDIBLE] hitting you.
I don't know what the motion of my actual hand was, but you're fine.
I did not hurt you.
I did not punch you.
I was hitting you.
>> Other things that were revealed in this defamation trial was
that she allegedly defecated on Johnny Depp's side of the bed as retaliation.
Some pretty horrendous stuff.
But I also wanna get back to what Johnny Depp did and
the evidence that Amber Heard has provided.
We'll get to that in a second.
But Cenk, I wanna give you an opportunity.
>> So, look, this is tough.
Everybody's talking about it.
Everybody's got opinions.
And sometimes the opinions are related to the case and
oftentimes it's related everybody's own personal experiences, right?
So if you've ever been abused as a woman,
you're gonna have a certain reaction to what Johnny Depp did right?
If you've been abused as a man,
you're gonna have a certain reaction to what Amber did.
And maybe some of the abuses physical, some of it,
a lot of it is psychological for the people at home, I'm talking about, right?
And then you're gonna make certain assumptions about those folks based on
what happened to you rather than what happened in their case.
Okay, and so that makes it super sensitive.
So if you say, for example, both sides are bad.
Both sides hate you.
>> Right. >> For
their own reasons about their own lives, right?
And if you make a relative judgment, people gonna hate you even more.
But I'm about to do that later in this story, okay?
In fact, I'll start it right now.
So I think both did terrible things but Amber Heard was vicious.
And so she hit him.
You heard it on the tape?
No question.
She threw several vodka bottles at him, severed his finger and
psychologically deeply abusive to a guy who has clearly had troubles, right?
And you can blame him for his troubles or
you could say it was weakness depending on your perspective, etcetera.
And maybe I blame him for what he did, okay?
But if you think Amber Heard is completely innocent,
you live in a different planet than I do.
>> Right and I don't think she's completely innocent at all.
And again, it's based on the evidence that's been presented during the trial and
I'm not ashamed to admit that while I'm cooking, I like to have the trial on in
the background to listen to what's been going on.
And so I have a pretty good grasp on the evidence that's been presented in
all of that.
But she also presented evidence in the form of photos showing her
injuries based on the physical altercations.
For instance, she presented evidence to the court a photo of a bruise on her face
and claimed that he pulled her hair, screamed at her and hit her repeatedly.
During the entirety of our relationship, Johnny Depp has been verbally and
physically abusive to me, heard said in a sworn declaration at the time.
But she also said she lived in fear of Depp saying that he had a short fuse and
terrorized her.
And he also has a history of addiction that has come out throughout this trial.
In 2018, she wrote in this op-ed and in 2020 audio, I should say,
Heard allegedly saying that she hit Depp and then published online.
So, we had you guys listen to that.
So you know about that evidence.
And now, Heard's former assistant Kate James testified in
court this April that when she asked heard for a pay raise her spat
in her face backing up, claims that Heard could be violent.
Now, later, a libel trial is held in the United Kingdom, okay?
Over the british newspaper, The Sun calling Depp a wife beater Depp sues both
Executive editor Dan Wooten and the Sun's parent company news group newspapers.
Depp's ex partner Vanessa Paradis Defense Depp by submitting a statement
saying the actor is the farthest thing from a violent person.
I'm just giving you a rundown of the type of evidence that's being presented.
Depp also claims that Heard, put her, I mentioned this earlier,
put her own fecal matter in the bed and was physically violent toward him.
In November of 2020 a judge actually ended up siding with The Sun.
So he lost that lawsuit in the UK.
Now finally we reached April this year,
which is when the defamation trial began in Virginia, okay?
Attorneys for Depp lay out the evidence for Heard's alleged abuse while
Heard's lawyers focus on depths past drug and alcohol use,
text messages and recordings claiming that Depp perpetrated the violence.
Now Depp addressed Heard's allegations about substance
abuse saying he began taking his mother's nerve pills at age 11 and
self medicated with substances over the years as a coping mechanism for trauma.
He denied ever having become out of control while under the influence.
But during the trial, a video heard recorded actually showed Depp in a tirade,
drunkenly smashing cabinets and all of that to kind of
prove that he would get violent when he was under the influence.
So let's take a look at that evidence.
>> We're not even fighting this morning.
All I did was say sorry.
>> Did something happen to you?
Good morning.
That's crazy.
You're crazy.
>> Have you drunk this whole thing this morning?
>> Got this going, [CROSSTALK] >> Really?
So there's more, there's a lot more.
Other things that came out in the case.
In another audio recording during the conversation about the Australian accent
heard appears to mock the idea that Depp might position himself as a victim.
You can tell people it was a fair fight and then see what the jury and
judge thinks Heard says, tell the world, Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp.
I a man, am a victim to, of domestic violence.
It's a fair fight and see how many people believe or side with you.
And to be honest, a lot of people from what I've seen online at least seem to be
siding with him in that she appears to have been abusive toward him as well.
>> Yeah, look, I'll tell you my theory as to why people are reacting that way.
Because as you see him, knocked the phone away and stuff.
It's not like he didn't partake in anything physical.
It looks like he did to some degree, okay?
And he keeps saying he doesn't have addiction issues.
No, he clearly has addiction issues, right?
So why the difference in how people are perceiving Heard in Depp?
And that includes me.
The reason is he looks like, and you can say, hey, it's making excuses for
him and I hear you and it's a legitimate point, okay?
But he looks like he's struggling.
He's got weakness.
He keeps going back to pills and alcohol, ice creams falling all over him, etcetera.
Meanwhile, she's taking pictures.
She's recording everything, nonstop getting him on tape.
I mean they were only married 18 months.
And she's goading him yeah, go public with me beating you and
to see how that turns out for you.
Well, I mean it didn't turn out well for anybody.
And remember, he took this to trial.
If he thought and maybe he's an idiot and that's totally possible.
I beat her all the time and she was just doing self defense.
But if I expose that to the whole world, I'll win.
That seems less likely.
And so from him the bad actions are coming from both of them.
In terms of bad intent, It's screaming through from Amber Heard.
And I'm not excusing what he did.
If you do bad things then you have bad intent at least to some degree, okay?
But I think calling it even is also not fair.
>> Look, that's the thing I don't know.
I don't know if it's even, right?
Because she has provided evidence of her like injuries, bruises and all of that.
But we weren't there and we don't know the details of how it started.
And look there has been evidence obviously and we presented it to you guys right now
showing that she has started physical altercations, right?
So I don't know for sure if he has started physical altercations or
if she has gone out of her way to spark it.
You know what I'm saying and he tried to defend himself.
We don't know.
>> I wanna be clear though, if he actually caused the bruises,
that is a massive problem.
That's not a little problem, okay?
And we cannot have that kind of domestic violence, then I would say, yeah,
they're both equally at fault, right?
But she recorded everything.
And so she has the pictures of the bruises.
And by the way, if you're getting abused, you should record things, okay?
But if you start the fight and then start the recording,
that's a completely different issue, okay?
But it's so hard to tell.
And so I guess we're gonna leave it up to the jury.
And by the way, the jury is not going to decide who's right and who's wrong.
They're gonna decide whether she defamed him.
That's a completely different thing.
>> And to your point, and I said this earlier.
Defamation suits are incredibly difficult to win.
If you're the one bringing the suit.
And honestly watching it, it's such a painful process to go through.
And the fact that he's putting himself through it,
must mean he genuinely believes he's been defamed.
So that goes to your point.
One final video I wanna get to which you had alluded to earlier Cenk.
So he lost the tip of his finger and he testified about that incident.
This is the last video E4, let's take a look.
>> I stood up and I walked behind the bar.
And there was a larger bottle of vodka, the kind with the handle on it.
I grabbed that and I went and I sat in my seat again.
I opened the bottle and I poured myself a shot.
I drank it.
[INAUDIBLE] was flinging insults left, right and center.
And she then grabbed that bottle and
through that my heat, I felt heat and
I felt as if something were dripping down my hand.
And then I look down and realized
that the tip of my finger have been seven.
>> There was photo evidence of that presented in the trial as well.
>> Yeah, and then they used that against him to,
they said he wrote in his own blood and that's crazy.
Yeah, but severing his finger is a little crazier.
So you don't get to criticize what I do with my own blood after you cause
the blood in the first place.
So here's some things are clear here, okay.
And other things are opaque.
Now let me clarify one more time because I'm sure that the video will later be used
by my opponents to lie about me, including the New York times.
So if he could do the bruises, not only should he lose the trial,
he should go to jail.
If he's committing violence and he's starting the violence and hitting her.
That is super obvious, okay?
And that part, we don't know.
The violence she started is clear because she admits it on tape and
the vodka incident where his finger is severed is clear, right?
So this her saying I am the lone victim here.
And I didn't do anything except start so many of these fights.
I mean physically anybody can start a verbal fight and etcetera.
No, this is a very complicated case.
And so don't jump to conclusions on either side.
And it doesn't mean that by the way that Johnny Depp drinking and
then taking the phone away from her and the things that we see and
doing that in a physical way is okay just because he has an addiction problem.
It isn't okay.