Well, I'm joined by Jesse, Tony, and Josh,
who are among the most active pedophile hunters
in the country right now.
I'm also joined by Shane,
who despite claiming to have orginated the phenomena,
says these guys should leave the hunting
to the professionals.
Well, my next guest is in fact a former FBI detective,
law enforcement officer, and chief criminal investigator,
who has done a lot...
of the training.
He's been through this for his entire career.
Please welcome Steve Kardian.
Steve, thank you so much for being here.
(applause)
Steve, first off, do you think
they should be doing it or not?
Absolutely not, Dr. Phil.
And why not?
Well, there's no law enforcement agency in the country
that wants you doing this
nor wants to work with you
because you're destroying their investigations.
Police officers come on the job,
and they spend years before they're even considered
for a job like this.
It requires dedication, years of training,
years of supervision.
You're being watched very closely.
You've got the rule of law, you've got the rule of evidence.
You've gotta prepare for the district attorney's office.
You've gotta prepare to present it to a grand jury.
None of that can be accomplished by what you're doing.
And as I'm watching what's going on here,
I'm concerned, and I don't mean to brag,
but I'm not a lawyer.
So I just look at this from a lay standpoint,
but I'm thinking I'm concerned about entrapment.
I'm concerned about the chain of custody
with evidence here.
And when you go to these guys,
what is said and not said
may or may not
fit the elements of the law of what needs to be done.
How do you know what's their state of mind?
It just seems to me that
if you took one of these cases
and took this video and attempted to prosecute it,
a halfway decent criminal defense lawyer
would just blow it full of holes.
The process with regard to what they're doing
has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
And law enforcement can't work with them.
They can't put a rubber stamp and say,
it's okay, give us the stuff...
It can't happen that way.
It doesn't happen that way because a law enforcement
will find evidentiary problems.
They're going to find that you
probably have entrapped people.
I mean, what is the training that your decoys go under?
Some of your decoys may even be sexual predators themselves.
My thing is, why is a New York City
school teacher arrested and nobody else?
If law enforcement won't work with us,
why is it that guy was arrested and none other?
'Cause it's a public-- Likely, he was arrested
for violating his conditions, failure to report,
but something other than what you did,
except you turning him in.
Failure to report that he wouldn't be in his school.
His point is, if we're gonna leave it to law enforcement,
why do they arrest this guy, but not these other 19
that were not as high-profile,
because they're doing just as much damagae as this guy?
Why do they only want the collar that gets some ink,
and not these guys that are doing just as much damage?
That's your question.
I mean I was told by the FBI.
I sat in the room with them, and they said,
"Don't bother unless you get a guy
"that makes over $100,000 a year,
"he's an immigrant, a doctor, a teacher, or lawyer."
That says something.
But if I call you guys and I said,
there's a guy selling dope on the corner,
you're out there in a heartbeat.
But there's a man to meet a child and nobody shows up.
Law enforcement's going after,
not only the high hanging fruit, but the low hanging fruit.
If you bring a case to somebody that is assigned
only to do high profile cases,
he'll refer it to somebody else.
Law enforcement, if you dealt with an officer
that blew you off, then you should report it
to a supervisor.
Go to the District Attorneys office.
Go into the detective's precinct
and talk to them and report it there.
If you're not having satisfaction,
the layman police officer has no clue
on what sexual predator
investigations are involved with.
We used our followings to our advantage,
to try and get arrests.
So each one of us have tried to get arrests.
And when we said we know we're not gonna get arrests,
we kept going.
The problem is, I needed therapy myself man.
Yeah Just to realize.
Yeah no argument there.
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