The President specifically asked me, and
his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes.
Which would have resulted in the issue being turned over to the House of
Representatives and literally chaos would have ensued.
>> Speaker 2: Trump's former Vice President is getting a little spicier in
how he discusses what occurred on January 6,
when pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol.
And, of course, Trump demanded that Mike Pence avoid certifying
the election unless he use a slate of phony electors to do it,
essentially overturning the results of the 2020 election.
Now, what you heard in that video was a response to
one of the more recent lies coming from Donald Trump.
Where he alleged that, no, no,
no I didn't try to overturn the results of the election.
I didn't tell him to install the fake electors, no, no, no.
I just wanted him to delay the certification.
Well, here's former Vice President Mike Pence further elaborating on
how that was a lie.
>> Speaker 1: First time I heard speculation that as vice president,
I'd have the authority to overturn the election by returning or rejecting votes.
I frankly dismissed it out of hand.
Look, the founders of this country had just won a war of independence
against a king.
And I was confident as a student of American history that those
founders would have never vested the vice president or anyone else.
With unilateral authority to decide what Electoral College votes to count and
which not to count.
I was clear on that throughout.
I was clear with President Trump throughout all the way up to the morning
of January 6.
But let's be clear on this point.
It wasn't just that they asked for a pause.
The President specifically asked me, and
his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes.
>> Speaker 2: By the way, the gaggle of crackpot lawyers are the unnamed and
unindicted co-conspirators in the indictment.
And by the way, what Vice President Pence said there was true per the indictment.
So let's take a look at that.
It stated that the defendant and co-conspirators attempted
to enlist the Vice President to use his ceremonial role at the January 6
certification proceeding to fraudulently alter the election results.
When Pence told Trump he wouldn't go along with his scheme,
according to the indictment, Trump complained that his Vice President was,
quote, too honest, end quote.
And Pence, who is in fact, running for president in the Republican primary,
has decided to capitalize off of that moment and
is now selling merchandise that states too honest.
>> Speaker 3: [LAUGH] Okay, so first of all,
you've gotta change in Pence's strategy here.
When he first came out to run for president, he was doing the same thing
that almost everybody else in the race was doing, which is patty cakes.
Donald Trump is wonderful and great.
We happened to have a slight disagreement at the end where he wanted to do a coup,
and I didn't.
Okay, he wouldn't use those words, right?
But he would refer to it as something that was relatively small and
was generally supportive of Trump.
Even though we know for a fact that when Trump was told that Pence might
be murdered by his Trump supporters, Trump said that he didn't mind.
>> Speaker 2: I have that reporting.
In fact, let's go to graphic eight.
This is from a report in May of 2022 from the New York Times.
Meadows, according to an account provided to the House committee
investigating January 6, told his colleagues that Trump had said something
to the effect of maybe Pence should be hanged.
>> Speaker 3: Yeah, and
that comes from one of the witnesses that we showed you on an earlier show.
Where she said that Meadows came into the room and they said,
you gotta tell the President that they're threatening to murder his Vice President.
And Meadows said, yeah, I already did.
And he says he doesn't mind and that Pence had it coming, so deserved it.
That's the words that Meadows used, according to the witness.
So now, Pence was still being soft to him because he had some BS political strategy
about how he's gonna get the MAGA guys to vote for him by being nice to Trump.
>> Speaker 3: Come on.
>> Speaker 3: It's obvious now that the indictment has happened that Pence has
changed his strategy and is now being more honest about it.
He wasn't dishonest to be fair to Pence.
>> They wanted to hang you, bro.
What kind of strategy is that?
How stupid can you be.
Right, well, that's politicians,
they have this whole consulting class that has these insane strategies.
They tell Democrats to be more like Republicans, and
then people vote for Republicans because you told them to.
And in this case, they told Pence, now remember, we're gonna get Trump's
voters by telling them that Trump is great, except we disagree slightly.
And of course that didn't work.
But Pence being more honest about what happened.
And by the way, if you're wondering, wait,
how do you know he's being more honest now?
Well, this matches the testimony that he gave earlier, right?
And his actions from earlier.
So now finally, this is, and he didn't lie in the middle.
He just didn't talk about it as much in the middle.
But now he's finally saying, yeah, of course,
they wanted me to do fake electors.
And guys, the thing about the fake electors that's really important is,
they were not Trump's slate of electors.
Both sides have slates of electors, and whoever wins sends their slate forward or
the state legislatures send those electors forward.
No, Trump in a lot of the instances, came up with a whole new set of fake electors.
They would ask different Republicans in the state, hey,
do you wanna be our fake elector?
Sometimes they would lie to them and say, no, no, it's okay.
This is just in case we win, right?
And for some of them, no, they told them, right?
>> Mm-hm. And so,
a lot of those guys have flipped on them now, etc.
So there's no question,
they had whole string of fake electors in seven different states.
No question about it.
And so finally, Pence has joined the reality based world and
is saying things that are indisputably true.
>> Speaker 2: I'll give you another example.
Reacting to the most recent indictment on Tuesday, Pence declared that.
Quote, anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President
of the United States,
adding that he chose the Constitution over Trump on January 6, 2021.
And if you go to some pro-Trump forums online,
Pence is kind of paying the price for being a lot more honest and
candid about this January 6 situation.
Because those forums have some pretty terrifying comments
threatening violence, all sorts of acts of violence against Pence.
I was gonna read some of those comments, I'm not going to.
But there are federal officials and
law enforcement closely monitoring those forums.
So, these people who think it's cute to put out specific death threats targeting
Mike Pence, you might have the Feds knocking on your door one day.
>> Speaker 3: Yeah, so look, we've quoted that poll before about how 41% of
Republicans think that it might be time for violence.
And so, this is the thing that was called The Donald on Reddit a while back.
It's switched a couple of times and now has their own website.
But the things that Anna's not reading you are vicious descriptions of how
they want to murder him and tons and tons of comments that are being upvoted.
So it's not just random comments.
They're being upvoted to the top on how they're going to murder Pence and
by the way, all of their political opponents.
And then they'll turn around and go, look at the FBI infiltrating our groups.
Dude, when you say you'd like to murder different political figures,
if the FBI is not infiltrating your group, it is absolute malpractice and negligence.
You're saying it publicly and there's tons of you that are saying it publicly about
how you'd like to murder people.
>> Speaker 2: Okay, fine,
I'll give you a few because it's one thing to say they're really bad.
It's another thing for you to actually know what they're saying.
The top comment on the Pence post called for
divine retribution against the traitor.
That's not too bad, right?
But it reads, may God strike him down for
his lies and treachery to the American people.
But as other commenters piled on,
they fantasized about a public execution of Pence at a gallows.
Quote, I want to watch his toes dangle in the breeze, end quote, wrote, user.
>> Don't even bother reading his name.
How could we not though?
>> Speaker 3: Okay.
>> Speaker 2: It's allowed, the FCC won't fine us for it.
What is it?
Let's see.
Big MikesHairyDong.
>> Okay. >> [LAUGH]
>> But, look, guys,
they sound like goofballs because they say these insane things, but all the people
on there upvote them, upvote them and they talk about killing other people.
And so you might think, hey, maybe some of them are joking around.
Number one, you don't get to say you're gonna kill people in gruesome ways and
then go, ha, I was just kidding.
Number two, this is really important.
That same group before January 6 talked about bringing gallows and
nooses and zip ties.
And described all the different ways that they might break into the Capitol and
actually get Pence.
And then that's exactly what happened on January 6.
So when they make these threats, unfortunately, in the past,
they have not been idle threats.
And if you're wondering why Pence was quiet,
as we speculated about earlier in the beginning of his campaign,
we thought maybe because he was trying to do a political strategy.
But there's some argument to be made that he's worried that they're gonna look to
kill him again, and last time they were trying to murder him.
So, these are insane times.
And the fact that the great majority of the Republican voters go,
our guy didn't mind if his own Vice President was murdered so
that he could do a coup against this country, but I'm good with it.
>> Speaker 3: Yeah.
>> That is dark, man.
And so people will say, they're lunatics online.
There's a thousand different brands of lunatics online, but some of them,
usually the fake left guys, are, yeah,
unless you're two evils man, I bet you vote for Biden anyway.
What are you gonna do, vote for Trump?
No, we got a long way to go before Biden's the candidate, and I love primaries.
And Marianne Williamson, who we just had her on the show, she's primary, Joe Biden,
she's up to ten points, primary, primary, primary.
But if you make it into a general election against Donald Trump, am I gonna vote for
you, whoever you are?
Of course I am, because I'm not gonna have a lunatic, madman,
fascist who didn't mind his Vice President being murdered back in office.
>> Speaker 3: Right. >> That's not a hard question.