DANIELS. THAT’S THE THEORY FOR THE NEXT
HOUR.
HOUR. THANK YOU, RACHEL.
>> GOOD NIGHT.
>>> AS I SAID, 2019 WILL BE THE
WORST YEAR OF DONALD TRUMP’S
LIFE.
LIFE. THAT IS THE HEADLINE THAT
GREETED THE THIRD YEAR OF THE
PRESIDENCY IN THE LOS ANGELES
TIMES TODAY.
TIMES TODAY. AN OP-ED PIECE COMPARES DONALD
TRUMP’S 2019 TO RICHARD NIXON’S
1974.
1974. THE YEAR THE SPECIAL
PROSECUTOR’S INVESTIGATION OF
THE PRESIDENT FORCED RICHARD
NIXON TO RESIGN THE PRESIDENCY.
AND THAT ARTICLE COMPARES DONALD
TRUMP’S 2019 TO BILL CLINTON’S
1999 AFTER BEING IMPEACHED BY
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
BILL CLINTON SURVIVED AN
IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN THE UNITED
STATES SENATE.
STATES SENATE. 2019 WILL PROBABLY BE THE YEAR
WHEN WE DISCOVER WHETHER THE
PRESIDENT CAN BE INDICTED BY
SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ROBERT
MUELLER.
MUELLER. AND IF DONALD TRUMP IS REMOVED
FROM OFFICE, THE VICE PRESIDENT
BECOMES PRESIDENT AND THE NEXT
PERSON IN THE LINE OF SUCCESSION
TO THE PRESIDENCY IS NOW SPEAK
OF THE HOUSE NANCY PELOSI WHO
BEGAN THIS HISTORIC DAY ON WHICH
SHE RESUMED THE SPEAKERSHIP
ANSWERING THIS QUESTION FROM
NBC’S SAVANNAH GUTHRIE.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL SHOULD HONOR AND OBSERVE
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
GUIDANCE THAT STATES A SITTING
PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED?
>> I DO NOT THINK THAT IS
CONCLUSIVE.
CONCLUSIVE. NO, I DO NOT.
>> CAN ROBERT MUELLER COME BACK
AND SAY I’M SEEKING INDICTMENT?
>> I THINK THAT IS AN OPEN
DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THE WALL.
>> DONALD TRUMP HAS GONE FROM A
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WHO DID
EVERYTHING HE COULD TO HELP
DEVIN NUNES, THE CHAIR OF THE
HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE,
OBSTRUCT A LEGITIMATE
INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP TO
A SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WHO IS
ENCOURAGING THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
CHAIRS OF HOUSE COMMITTEES TO DO
THEIR DUTY TO INVESTIGATE THE
PRESIDENT AND WHO BELIEVES IT IS
POSSIBLE THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN
BE INDICTED.
BE INDICTED. NANCY PELOSI HAS GONE FROM
DISCOURAGING TALK OF IMPEACHMENT
DURING THE CONGRESSIONAL
CAMPAIGNS TO ALLOWING ONE OF THE
SENIOR DEMOCRATS IN HER OWN
CALIFORNIA CONGRESSIONAL
CALIFORNIA CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION TO INTRODUCE ARTICLES
OF IMPEACHMENT IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AGAINST
REPRESENTATIVES AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY.
WE WILL BE JOINED LATER IN THIS
HOUR BY CALIFORNIA CONGRESSMAN
ERIC SWALWELL WHO’S A MEMBER OF
THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
WHICH HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.
IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. WE WILL GET HIS VIEW OF WHAT NOW
SEEMS TRULY TO BE THE WORST YEAR
OF DONALD TRUMP’S LIFE.
THIS WORST YEAR OF DONALD
TRUMP’S LIFE HAS BEGUN WITH ONE
OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PROBLEMS A
PRESIDENT CAN POSSIBLY FACE, A
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND DONALD
TRUMP IS THE VERY FIRST
PRESIDENT IN HISTORY TO PUBLICLY
BLAME HIMSELF FOR THE SHUTDOWN.
>> I WILL BE THE ONE TO SHUT IT
DOWN.
DOWN. I’M NOT GOING TO BLAME YOU FOR
IT.
IT. >> TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TIME IN
TRUMP’S LIFE AS PRESIDENT THAT
HE HAS WATCHED THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES DO SOMETHING
THAT HE DID NOT WANT THEM TO DO.
AS RACHEL REPORTED AT THE
BEGINNING OF THIS HOUR, NANCY
PELOSI PUSHED LEGISLATION
THROUGH THE HOUSE TONIGHT TO
REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT.
IN NORMAL TIMES REPUBLICANS
WOULD VOTE FOR THE PELOSI
LEGISLATION BECAUSE THEY VOTED
FOR IT ALREADY.
SHE PASSED SIX SPENDING BILLS
TONIGHT THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
AGREED TO BY SENATE DEMOCRATS
AND SENATE REPUBLICANS, BILLS
THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
BORDER WALL THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
WANTS.
WANTS. SPEAKER PELOSI SUDDENLY PUSHED
THROUGH THE HOUSE A BILL TO
EXTEND FUNDING FOR HOMELAND
SECURITY AT ITS CURRENT LEVELS
TEMPORARILY FOR A MONTH THAT
WOULD ALLOW THE PRESIDENT AND
CONGRESS TO CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE
OVER THE TRUMP BORDER WALL
WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT BEING
SHUTDOWN.
SHUTDOWN. NANCY PELOSI HAS NO DOUBT ABOUT
HER POSITION ON THE BORDER WALL.
>> ARE YOU WILLING TO COME UP
AND GIVE HIM SOME OF THIS MONEY
FOR THE WALL?
>> NO.
>> NO. >> BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT’S THE
STICKING POINT.
STICKING POINT. >> NO.
>> NO. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BORDER
SECURITY.
SECURITY. >> NOTHING FOR THE WALL, BUT
THAT MEANS IT’S A NONSTARTER.
>> WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS BACK
AND FORTH.
AND FORTH. NOTHING FOR THE WALL.
>> SPEAKER PELOSI’S NEGOTIATING
HAND HAS ONLY BEEN
STRENGTHENENEDSTRENGTHENED
STRENGTHENENEDSTRENGTHENED BY THE BLUE WAVE AND INCLUDES
AMONG THE FRESHMAN MEMBERS OF
THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE, SOME OF
THE STRONGEST OPPONENTS OF THE
BORDER WALL INCLUDING THE
ALREADY MOST FAMOUS MEMBER OF
THE FRESHMAN CLASS,
CONGRESSWOMAN ALEXANDRIA CORTEZ
WHO CAST HER FIRST VOTE IN THE
HOUSE TODAY IN FAVOR OF NANCY
PELOSI FOR SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
>> PELOSI.
>> PELOSI. >> SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO
VOTED FOR NANCY PELOSI WHO GOT
ANY KIND OF REACTION FROM
REPUBLICANS.
REPUBLICANS. SHE IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF
THOSE REPUBLICANS AND COMMANDING
THEIR ATTENTION AND IN SWATTING
AWAY THEIR INSULTS.
MOMENTS LATER AT HER SWEARING IN
SPEAKER PELOSI IN HER ACCEPTANCE
SPEECH OF THE SPEAKERSHIP
ANNOUNCED HER LEGISLATIVE
STRATEGY FOR THE SHUTDOWN.
>> WE WILL DEBATE IN ADVANCE
GOOD IDEAS NO MATTER WHERE THEY
COME FROM, AND IN THAT SPIRIT
DEMOCRATS WILL BE OFFERING THE
SENATE REPUBLICAN APPROPRIATIONS
LEGISLATION TO REOPEN GOVERNMENT
LATER TODAY.
LATER TODAY. >> JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW
JOY REID, MSNBC NATIONAL
CORRESPONDENT AND THE HOST OF
"AM JOY" WEEKENDS ON MSNBC.
JOY WILL HAVE A SPECIAL TOWN
HALL EVENT AT THIS VERY HOUR
TOMORROW NIGHT WITH NANCY PELOSI
RIGHT HERE ON MSNBC AT
10:00 P.M.
10:00 P.M. AND WE’RE ALSO JOINED BY
MICHELLE GOLDBERG.
MICHELLE GOLDBERG. AND JOY REID, A VERY IMPRESSIVE
DAY ONE FOR NANCY PELOSI.
AND WHAT MAY BE -- WHAT MAY VERY
WELL BE BASICALLY A DAY ONE OF
THE WORST YEAR OF DONALD TRUMP’S
LIFE.
LIFE. >> YOU KNOW, IT’S INTERESTING,
LAWRENCE, AND YOU KNOW THIS
BETTER THAN MOST THAT I THINK A
LOT OF PEOPLE SOMETIMES FORGET
BECAUSE WE’VE HAD AN ERA OF
SPEAKERS WHO DEFERRED, TO PUT IT
THE MOST KIND WAY, TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
YOU HAD PAUL RYAN WHO DID THAT,
AND YOU ALSO HAD SPEAKERS WHO
WERE VERY CHALLENGED BY MEMBERS
OF THEIR OWN CAUCUS WHO MADE IT
VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO
THEIR JOB -- JOHN BOEHNER.
BUT I THINK PEOPLE FORGET HOW
POWERFUL THE SPEAKER OF THE
HOUSE IS.
HOUSE IS. THIS IS THE PERSON NEXT IN LINE
TO THE PRESIDENCY AFTER THE
PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.
AND NANCY PELOSI IN TAKING THE
SPEAKERSHIP A SECOND TIME,
REALLY HARKENING BACK TO
POWERFUL SPEAKERS, PEOPLE LIKE
TIP O’NEAL, THIS IS AN
INCREDIBLY POWERFUL POSITION
PARTICULARLY WHEN IT’S AN
ADVERSARIAL POSITION TO THE
PRESIDENT, THINK NEWT GINGRICH.
WHEN NANCY PELOSI CAME IN AND
REMINDED THE PEOPLE LISTENING TO
HER GIVE HER ACCEPTANCE SPEECH
AND IN ARTICLE I OF THE
CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. AND IT SAYS ALL BILLS FOR
RAISING REVENUE SHALL ORIGINATE
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
BUT THE SENATE MAY PROPOSE OR
CONQUER WITH THE AMENDMENTS.
IF DONALD TRUMP WANTS MONEY FOR
A WALL IT HAS TO GO THROUGH
NANCY PELOSI.
NANCY PELOSI. THERE’S NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.
SO HE IS NOW NEGOTIATING WITH A
WOMAN WHO HAS DONE THIS JOB
BEFORE AND WHO KNOWS GOVERNMENT
AS WELL AS HE HAS IGNORED THE
RUDIMENTS OF GOVERNMENT, THE
WORKINGS OF GOVERNMENT.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY
TOUGH SLED FOR DONALD TRUMP.
>> MICHELLE GOLDBERG, AS A KID
GROWING UP IN BOSTON I GREW UP
THROUGH TWO SPEAKERS OF THE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. AND MOST POLITICIANS IN BOSTON
WHEN THEY NEEDED SOMETHING THEY
ALWAYS WENT TO JOHN McCORMIC OR
WENT TO TIP O’NEAL, THAT’S WHERE
THE POWER IS.
WE COULD DO AN HOUR ON HOW
POWERFUL THAT POSITION IS.
AND WHEN I THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP
WAS NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, I
WOULD OCCASIONALLY SAY WHEN HE
ATTACKS PAUL RYAN LIKE THIS, IF
HE EVER BECAME PRESIDENT HE
WOULD DISCOVER HOW MUCH POWER
THE SPEAKER HAS OVER HIM, AND I
WAS SO WRONG ABOUT THAT BECAUSE
OF THE COLLAPSE OF SO MANY
THINGS INCLUDING APPARENTLY THE
COLLAPSE OF MALE EGO, WHICH
MIGHT BE A GOOD THING IN
WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON. BUT PAUL RYAN AS SPEAKER USED
NONE OF HIS POWER IN RELATION TO
THIS PRESIDENT.
THIS PRESIDENT. SO THIS PRESIDENT TWO YEARS IN
HAS NO IDEA WHAT THE POWERS OF
THE SPEAKERSHIP ARE.
>> AND THINK HOW FRUSTRATED
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN JUST BY
THE CONSTRAINTS HE ALREADY
FACES.
FACES. THAT HE HAS TO AT LEAST PRETEND
TO ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE
LAND, RIGHT.
LAND, RIGHT. THAT HE’S IN SOME RESPECTS
CHECKED BY THE SUPREME COURT.
HE’S HAD THESE VERY MINOR
CONSTRAINTS ON WHAT HE IMAGINED
WAS A KIND OF REGAL AUTHORITY,
AND IT’S DRIVEN HIM BONKERS.
AND SO NOW HE’S GOING TO HAVE
BOTH NONSTOP INVESTIGATIONS AND
AN INABILITY TO REALLY GET
ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE DONE UNLESS
HE IS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH
NANCY PELOSI, WHO DESPITE HIS
RIDICULOUS REPUTATION AS A
MASTER NEGOTIATOR, HE HAS
NOTHING ON HER.
HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE
COMMENSURATE WITH HERS.
>> TOMORROW WHERE DO YOU INTEND
TO BEGIN WITH HER?
>> I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO
START WITH THE SITUATION WE HAVE
NOW.
NOW. THE SHUTDOWN.
THE SHUTDOWN. BECAUSE THE IMPASSE IS IN
INCOMPLETE.
INCOMPLETE. NANCY PELOSI SAID NO MONEY,
ZERO, YOU GET NOTHING FOR THE
WALL.
WALL. SO THAT IS THE ULTIMATE IMPASSE,
AND NOW YOU HAVE THE SENATE
MAJORITY LEADER WHO HAS SAID HE
WILL ONLY PUT ON THE FLOOR A
BILL THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS
ALREADY AFFIRMED THAT HE
SUPPORTS, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLE
DIMINUTION OF HIS OWN POWER,
BECAUSE THIS CAN EASILY BE
SOLVED IF THESE SENATE MAJORITY
LEADERS SAID, FINE, SPEAKER
PELOSI HAS NOW PASSED SIX BILLS
AND WE CAN SIMLY REPASS THESE
PREVIOUS BILLS AND BE DONE WITH
IT.
IT. IT’S INCREDIBLE TO ME WE’VE
ENTERED AN ERA OF NO VETOES,
WHERE CONGRESS DOESN’T EVEN LOW
THE PRESIDENT TO EXERCISE THE
CONSTITUTIONAL POWER OF THE
VETO.
VETO. THEY WON’T EVEN LET HIM DO IT.
THEY SAY IF HE’S ALREADY FOR IT,
MITCH McCONNELL WHO’S ALREADY
SUPPOSED TO BE A POWERFUL MAN,
SAYS I WON’T DO ANYTHING UNLESS
DONALD TRUMP SAYS I CAN.
THAT’S EXTRAORDINARY BECAUSE THE
CONSTITUTION WAS DESIGNED TO
HAVE EACH OF THESE BODIES
JEALOUSY GUARD THEIR POWER.
AND I JUST THINK AMERICANS ARE
NOT ACCUSTOMED TO GUARDING THAT
POWER.
POWER. I THINK WHAT WE’RE GOING TO
START IS TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY
SHE INTENDS TO USE HER POWER.
>> AND MICHELLE, I DO WANT TO
PAUSE AND REFLECT OVER THIS
HISTORIC MOMENT.
HISTORIC MOMENT. HERE WE ARE AS NANCY PELOSI
HERSELF POINTED OUT TODAY 100
YEARS AWAY FROM WOMEN GETTING
THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. AND WE HAVE A WOMAN SPEAKER FOR
THE SECOND TIME, THE SAME WOMAN.
AND WE HAVE MANY MORE WOMEN
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND WOMEN
MEMBERS OF THE SENATE WE’VE EVER
HAD BEFORE BUT WE’RE STILL NOT
AT 50/50.
AT 50/50. WE’RE NOT CLOSE TO 50/50.
AND ONE OF THE MEASURES WE’RE
LOOKING AT IS HOW LONG IT TAKES
A DENIED POPULATION TO CATCH UP
ONCE YOU OPEN THE DOOR.
>> IT WAS SO STRIKING THE SIDE
BY SIDE INDIVIDUALS.
LIKE YOU SAID IT’S NOT A PARODY,
BUT IT’S STILL A FRESHMAN CLASS
ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE UNLIKE
ANYTHING WE’VE EVER HAD BEFORE.
SO YOU HAD THIS PANORAMA OF
AMERICA, ALL OF THESE INCREDIBLY
INSPIRING STORIES.
INSPIRING STORIES. THESE FIRST -- IT WAS THE SORT
OF AMERICA THAT A LOT OF US HAD
THOUGHT THAT WE LOST WHEN DONALD
TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT
JUST THIS OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE
MALE OLDER REPUBLICAN CAUCUS BUT
DONALD TRUMP TRYING TO STEAL
SOME OF NANCY PELOSI’S POWER BY
GIVING THIS SORT OF IDENTICAL
BALD CLONES IN THE WHITE HOUSE
BRIEFING ROOM.
BRIEFING ROOM. IT’S HARD TO IMAGINE A STARKER
REPRESENT AGSZ OF TWO DIFFERENT
AMERICAS.
AMERICAS. AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY, YOU
KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST
TIME THAT I ACTUALLY FELT LIKE
MAYBE SOMETHING GOOD HAS COME
OUT OF THE CALAMITY OF DONALD
TRUMP’S PRESIDENCY, RIGHT?
BECAUSE HE DIDN’T, YOU KNOW,
BUILD HIS WALL, AND HE’S NOT
GOING TO ACCOMPLISH MOST OF WHAT
HE SETOUT TO ACCOMPLISH.
BUT HE DID BUILD THAT.
I DON’T THINK A LOT OF THOSE
PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE
WOULD HAVE RUN, WOULD HAVE GIVEN
UP THE LIVES THEY HAD LIVED
BEFORE THEY ENTERED INTO
POLITICS HAD NOT THIS KIND OF
NATIONAL EMERGENCY WITH HIS
ELECTION.
ELECTION. >> JOY, I WANT TO GET YOUR
REACTION TO WHAT YOU SAW ON THE
HOUSE FLOOR TODAY.
>> NANCY PELOSI PRIORITIZED
CHILDREN.
CHILDREN. THERE WAS AN AMAZING MOMENT
WHERE SHE BROUGHT NOT ONLY HER
GRANDCHILDREN BUT ALL THE
CHILDREN IN THE GALLERY UP TO
STAND WITH HER AS SHE TOOK THE
OATH OF OFFICE.
AND I THINK SHE WAS AT THAT
MOMENT GIVING YOU SORT OF THE
BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM OF
WHAT WOMEN BRING TO POWER.
SHE’S OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY NOT
EMBARRASSED ABOUT SEEKING AND
PURSUING POWER.
PURSUING POWER. SHE’S NOT EMBARRASSED TO WIELD
POWER, BUT SHE ALSO IS STILL A
GRANDMOTHER.
GRANDMOTHER. SHE’S ALSO STILL A WOMAN WHO
CARES ABOUT CHILDREN, HAS A
NURTURING SIDE AND ISN’T
EMBARRASSED TO SHOW IT.
AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF WOMEN
IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO
YOU BALANCE, HOW DO YOU FIELD
AUTHORITY, WHETHER POLITICAL
AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY IN THE
BUSINESS WORLD, THAT IS THE
BALANCE.
BALANCE. HOW MUCH OF EACH OF THOSE TWO
SIDES OF YOURSELF DO YOU BRING
TO THE TABLE.
BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP AS MICHELLE
SAID IS NOT ACCUSTOMED TO
DEALING WITH A POWERFUL EQUAL,
PARTICULARLY A WOMAN WHO’S A
POWERFUL EQUAL, THIS IS GOING TO
BE AN EXTRAORDINARY EDUCATION
FOR HIM.
FOR HIM. I THINK HE’S GOING TO LEARN A
HUGE CIVICS LESSON.
HE’S NEVER HAD A BOARD OF
DIRECTORS.
DIRECTORS. BUT NOW HE’S GOT A WOMAN WHO’S