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CHARLES.
>> WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN
RESTORE THE ROLE OF LAW KEEP
DANGEROUS CRIMINALS OFF OUR
STREETS AND HELP FORMER INMATES
GET A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE AND
A SECOND CHANCE THAT MANY OF
THEM WILL REALLY SUCCEED AT.
AMERICA IS A NATION THAT
BELIEVES IN THE POWER OF
REDEMPTION.
AMERICA IS A NATION THAT
BELIEVES IN SECOND CHANCES AND
THIRD CHANCES AND IN SOME CASES
AND I DON'T KNOW I GUESS EVEN
FOURTH CHANCES.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
CHARLES: PRESIDENT TRUMP PUSHING
PRISON REFORM AT A WHITE HOUSE
SUMMIT URGING BOTH SIDES TO COME
TOGETHER AND HELP -- TRUMP SAYS
HE SUPPORTS A BIPARTISAN BILL
CALLED THE FIRST STEP BACK WHICH
WOULD PLACE FEDERAL PRISONERS
CLOSER TO HOME AND ALLOW MORE
HOME CONFINEMENT FOR LOWER-LEVEL
OFFENDERS AND EXPAND PRISON
EMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS.
HERE TO DISCUSS KATRINA HARRISON
SENIOR DYSERT KATIE FREIGHTS
MANAGING EDITOR DEMOCRATIC
STRATEGIST AND DIRECTOR OF
POLITICS AND DARREN TORTURE OR
RETIRED NYPD LIEUTENANT ALSO
FORMER ARMY OFFICER.
KATRINA I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE
AT THIS EVENT OR NOT BUT I WAS
TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW
MONTHS BECAUSE THE EFFORTS THAT
ARE GOING INTO THIS I THINK ARE
PHENOMENAL.
THE KOCH BROTHERS POURING A LOT
OF MONEY FOR IT.
WHAT YOU MAKE OF THIS EFFORT?
>> IT'S A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY
FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO
SHOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT
AND CHARLES AT THE FIRST STEP IN
IF JARED KUSHNER AND VAN JONES
AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO
WERE AT THE EVENT TODAY PROVE
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS
TO DO PRISON REFORM AND THIS IS
ABOUT COMPASSIONATE REFORM ALONG
WITH GIVING INDIVIDUALS A SECOND
CHANCE THOSE WHO HAVE COMMITTED
A CRIME AND DONE THEIR TIME WHO
WANT TO BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO
SOCIETY WILL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY.
CHARLES: WHY COUNT ON DEMOCRATIC
SUPPORT ON THIS OR WILL THIS BE
A ROBBER STAMP TO RESIST?
>> I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU FOR
SHINING A LIGHT ON THIS
CONTINUALLY AND I HAVE TO AGREE
WITH KATRINA.
AS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT ON THE
PANEL I AM LEFT ON THIS BUT I
HAVE TWO REWARD THE PRESIDENT
FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS
ISSUE.
LIKE CHARLES YOU SAID YOU HAD
VAN JONES AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE UNITED STATES MAKES A 4.4%
OF THE RURAL POPULATION AND YET
WE HAVE 22% OF THE WORLDS PEOPLE
BEHIND BARS.
THAT'S WRONG AND I HAVE TO
COMMEND THE PRESIDENT FOR THEY
THINK YOU'LL SEE DEMOCRATIC
SUPPORT FOR REASONABLE
COMMONSENSE BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS
WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM.
CHARLES: KATIE EARLIER TODAY
RAPPER MEEK MILL'S ACCEPTED AN
INVITATION FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP
TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
WORD IS THAT JAY-Z HAS TALKED
THEM OUT OF IT BUT ONE THING I
WANT TO NOTE IS PLACES LIKE
DEMOCRATIC STATE CALIFORNIA 87%
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOCKED UP ARE
LOCKED UP ON THE STATE AND LOCAL
LEVEL.
THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT
THIS IS ONE POLITICAL PARTY
INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM SITUATION.
>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AND VAN
JONES IS THERE AND I THINK HE
WILL MISS OUT ON THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO HELP OUT THE
PORTION OF AMERICANS WHO ARE
TRYING TO GET BACK UP ON
THEIR FEET AFTER MAKING A
MISTAKE AND LEAVING JAIL.
I THINK THEY REALLY DID A
DISSERVICE BECAUSE THERE ARE
REPORTS HE BASICALLY TOLD THEM
IT WOULD BE BAD FOR YOUR IMAGE
TO SHOW UP TO THIS WHITE HOUSE
FORM AND IT'S NOT ABOUT IMAGE.
ABOUT HEALTH -- HELPING
AMERICANS GET BACK UP ON THEIR
FATE THE COMING CONTRIBUTING
MEMBER OF SOCIETY AND HAVE A
BETTER LIGHT.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT POLITICS
OR LOOKING COOL.
CHARLES: ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS
IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEAR AND
DEAR TO HIS HEART.
HE'S COMMITTED TO THIS FOR THE
REST OF HIS LIFE.
DARREN AS A RETIRED POLICE
OFFICER HOW DOES A LAW
ENFORCEMENT DEAL WITH THIS?
WOULD IT BE SOFT ON CRIME OR
WOULD IT BE A SMART MOVE?
>> THE SYSTEM IS BIFURCATED.
THE MAJORITY OF ARRESTEES ARE IN
THE STATE SYSTEM OR AS THE
FEDERAL SYSTEM HAS THEIR OWN
NUMBER OF INMATES SO HE NEEDS TO
BE A BIPARTISAN COMPONENT THAT
COMES TOGETHER ON THIS.
WE NEED TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY TO
THE GOVERNORS.
THE GOVERNOR PLAYS A MAIN ROLE
IN THIS.
CHARLES: FROM A POLICE OFFICER'S
POINT OF VIEW ARE YOU OKAY WITH
TAKING A MORE ACTIVE ROLE
PERHAPS WITH RECIDIVISM OR SPARE
SONS THAT ONCE SOMEONE ENTERS
THE PRISON SYSTEM NOT THAT
THERE'S NO REDEMPTION BUT IT'S
HARD TO STOP THEM FROM GETTING
OUT OF THAT CYCLE.
>> WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS WE
DO NEED CRIMINAL JUSTICE FOR
REFORM AND I'M A STRONG
PROPONENT IN PEOPLE DESERVE A
SECOND CHANCE.
ROUGHLY 70,000 INMATES SO WE AS
CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR THIS
INCARCERATION.
MASS INCARCERATION HAS BEEN A
PROBLEM FOR YEARS AND I THINK
ALL THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
STEPPING FORWARD AND SAYING WE
ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS AND GIVE
PEOPLE A SECOND CHANCE BECAUSE
IF NOT THE RECIDIVISM RATE WILL
CONTINUE.