In a sign that prosecutors apparently believe that Donald Trump did have
criminal intent and violated the law when it comes to all the documents and
that sort of thing.
They're apparently pushing for a piercing of the legal defense that he's been using,
which is effectively attorney client privilege between Donald Trump and
his lawyers.
They've apparently sought approval from a federal judge to invoke what is known as
the crime-fraud exception.
Which allows them to work around attorney client privilege when they have reason to
believe that legal advice or
legal services have been used in furthering a crime.
So that's specifically what we know and now we get into the area of speculation
trying to understand what they might mean by that, what sort of crime or
fraud they're implying they have evidence of in requesting this.
So here's the speculation for you.
Among the questions that the Justice Department has been examining since last
year is whether Mr Trump or
his associates obstructed justice in failing to comply with demands to return
a trove of government material he took with him from the White House upon leaving
office including hundreds of documents with classified markings.
Now to a regular person the fact that he had the documents and
knew that he had the documents and was asked to turn them in and
didn't seems obviously to be obstructing justice.
But that's another one of the fun things where elites hypothesized about it is that
what he was truly doing?
I mean, I know literally that's what he's doing intentionally repeatedly for
months and months and months that's what he's doing.
But like what about metaphysically?
Anyway one of his lawyers, Mr. Corcoran recently appeared before a grand jury in
federal district court in Washington and is believed to have asserted attorney
client privilege on behalf of Mr. trump in refusing to answer certain questions
related to his representation in the documents investigation.
Now we don't know the content of the questions that he refused to answer.
We don't know at this point if that is specifically what led to this crime fraud
exemption being brought up.
We don't know if the Justice Department suspects misconduct by Mr. Corcoran by
other lawyers, by Trump by both by all, by hook, by crook, I don't know.
There's a lot that we don't know but this supposedly according to legal analysts
is not the sort of move that you would make as just a random shot in the dark.
Or if you didn't believe that you had good evidence of a crime having been committed,
so Jayar what do you think?
>> This is the section of the show I guess where people just kind of roll around and
get away with things.
We talked about Matt Gates a minute ago but this investigation going to everything
that's happening with Trump and his classified information.
I mean I guess they'll try this workaround but
this is a playbook that we've heard from many times Trump, Trump gives his
playbook all the time with his tax evasion to criminal investigation evasion.
So then he always talks about his attorney client privilege, so yeah,
it's the same playbook over and over and over again.
He's a veteran in trying to avoid any kind of responsibility for
the things that he's done throughout his life, not just politically.
So this just goes along with that same playbook and I don't know whether or
not these things will work, but I guess the attempts to do so means something.
But is this is there a fear that he's got something on folks?
I'm still trying to figure out where this, I guess cow towing to the biggest
potential criminals in our political system comes from folks,
what are they afraid of what's going on?
Look like Matt Weiner and Matt, what was the name of the Hillary?
>> Anthony Weiner.
>> Anthony, Anthony Weiner went down hard and
no one really was concerned about any political power he had.
Maybe because the backing of folks that were around him were like, yo let him go,
I don't know what kind of structure has to be around certain politicians and
certain political figures for them to just survive this type of stuff.
But this is we're seeing the playbook play out right in front of us,
I'm not sure if it's gonna help much.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm pessimistic this morning, sorry.
>> I know, look, we're just coming off of discussing the Matt Gates thing.
So we're super pessimistic about all of this.
But this is interesting because they could be, again, we don't know for
sure they could be implying that this lawyer is assisting in the committing
of a crime, which that would be interesting.
I mean in this particular case, going back to the beginnings of the document scandal.
One of the things that we got so much enjoyment out of was
the Special Master and the others asking the lawyers to assert in court.
The things that Donald Trump was saying publicly on true social constantly
about things being planted and blah blah blah, all of his stuff.
And they would go on Fox News and say and
they would go on True Social would say he would lean out his window and yell it.
But they would not say it in a court of law with the obvious implication being
that the lawyers know that it's not true and
they don't want to face consequences as a result of their service of Donald Trump.
So would Corcoran risk legal consequences,
losing his ability to practice law God knows what else.
I don't know anything about particular about Corcoran that would imply that he'd
be willing to do that.
It is possible that he's not the target, it's possible that this pressure and
intended to get more information from him.
At this point we have to speculate.
>> At this point, the time everything is pressure from these situations.
It's a little bit of, this is my last bit of pessimism.
It's a little bit of this, it's hope that's given to folks, I think maybe our
political, our judicial system will work its way for the most obvious crimes
that people are committing, regardless of the kind of power that they hold.
But we're seeing it in front of us it's right in front of us.
But I just don't see anything more happening for this,
they can try investigate and go around the attorney client privilege and all that.
But come on, bro.
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