>> THIS GOES BACK DECADES. >> IT’S REALLY A BIG MESS.
>> INDEED.
>> INDEED. >>> WELCOME TO THE SECOND HOUR
OF "KASIE D.C."
THERE IS NO REPORTING JUST OUT
THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
EXPRESSED REGRET OVER SIGNING
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT ENDED
SEPARATION OF MYMYIGRANT FAMILIE
THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN
COMPLAINING WHY HE CANNOT CREATE
AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEM ACCORDING TO TWO PEOPLE.
AIDS HAVE HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THE
PRESIDENT WHY A COMPREHENSIVE
IMMIGRATION OVERHAUL IS BEHIND
HIS PRESIDENTIAL REACH.
I WANT TO START WITH THIS REPORT
FROM MAGGIE HABERMAN SAYING THAT
THE PRESIDENT WISHES HE HADN’T
DONE WHAT HE DID LAST WEEK.
HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING MORE
SWEEPING, BUT HE CAN’T.
HE TWEETED THAT THE CONGRESS
SHOULD DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY
CAN’T UNTIL THEY GET MORE POWER.
>> YOU SEE THAT TODAY WHEN HE’S
TALKING ABOUT WHEN SOMEONE COMES
INTO OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, WE
SHOULD SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE
THEY CAME FROM IMMEDIATELY.
THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER WHICH SAYS WE
WILL KEEP THE FAMILIES TOGETHER
WHILE THEY AWAIT PROCESSING
THROUGH, WHILE THEY ARE GIVEN
DUE PROCESS AND THEN HE SAYS NO
DUE PROCESS.
DUE PROCESS. YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF REGRET
THERE.
THERE. YOU SEE HIM KIND OF SAYING, SEE,
I TOLD YOU SO, LIKE THIS WASN’T
A VIABLE SOLUTION IN THE FIRST
PLACE AND IT’S YET ANOTHER TWIST
IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT TO TRACK
ADMINISTRATION POSITION ON THIS
ISSUE.
ISSUE. >> THE REALITY IS AS LONG AS IT
IS SIMPLY EXECUTIVE ACTION, THE
PRESIDENT COULD UNDO WHAT HE DID
LAST WEEK AND IT DOESN’T SEEM AS
THOUGH CONGRESS IS GOING TO ACT.
>>> THE PRESIDENT TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS RELEASING DATA
ON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN
REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS.
MORE THAN 500 KIDS HAVE BEEN
PLACED BACK WITH THEIR FAMILIES
AND ANOTHER 2,000 REMAIN IN
CUSTODY.
CUSTODY. MEANWHILE IN TEXAS HUNDREDS OF
DEMONSTRATORS RALLY AGAINST THE
WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. IT IS THE SECOND DAY OF
PROTESTS.
PROTESTS. I THINK ONE CHALLENGE HERE AND
ONE THING THAT WE’RE TRYING TO
MAKE SURE WE’RE DOING FROM OUR
POSITION HERE IN WASHINGTON IS
TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON REUNITING
THE CHILDREN AND SEE IF THE
GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO DO THAT
EFFECT
EFFECT EFFECTIVELY.
EFFECTIVELY. >> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE
GROUND ABOUT HOW OFFICIALS ARE
WORKING?
WORKING? ARE THEY WORKING IN WAYS THAT
SEEM TO BE EFFECTIVE OR ARE
THERE KIDS NOT FINDING THEIR
PARENTS?
PARENTS? >> Reporter: THE CRAZY THING
ABOUT THIS STORY HAS BEEN THE
LACK OF ACCESS THAT WE’VE HAD TO
THE FACILITY BEHIND ME.
THERE ARE SOME 250 KIDS IN THIS
COMPOUND.
COMPOUND. OUR INFORMATION HAS BEEN COMING
FROM LAWMAKERS AS THEY COME AND
THEY TRY TO PENETRATE THIS
FACILITY.
FACILITY. THEY’VE BEEN WALKING TO THE
FENCE LINE, SOME OF THEM INVITED
AND SOME NOT, AND THEY’VE BEEN
GETTING IN TO A VARYING DEGREE.
A SENATOR SAW SOME TV FOOTAGE.
IT UPSET HIM BECAUSE HE’S THE
SENATOR FROM NEW MEXICO.
HE CAME HERE YESTERDAY AND HE
SAW HIM AND THEN I ASKED HIM
WHEN ARE THESE 250 KIDS GOING TO
GET BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES AND
HE SAID I ASKED THE OFFICIALS
THAT INSIDE THE FACILITY AND I
WAS TOLD THAT I, THE SENATOR,
HAD TO CALL BACK IN A WEEK.
I THINK THAT JUST SPEAKS TO THE
NATURE HOW THIS CAME TOGETHER IN
THE PAST WEEK WHEN THE SENATORS
ARE GOING IN AND ASKING FOR
DETAILS FOR THE PLAN AND THEY’RE
BEING TOLD JUST LIKE THE
FAMILIES, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE
TO CALL BACK ON MONDAY MORNING
WHEN WE TRY TO GET OUR ACT
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >> YOU HAVE SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF
A MATERIAL CHANGE IN POLICY
SINCE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS
SIGNED?
SIGNED? ARE AGENTS DOING THINGS
DIFFERENTLY?
DIFFERENTLY? DO YOU SEE EVIDENCE THAT
FAMILIES ARE, IN FACT, BEING
KEPT TOGETHER?
KEPT TOGETHER? >> Reporter: THERE’S A LOT OF
PEOPLE WAITING ON THE BRIDGES
HERE AND THOSE FAMILIES ARE
WAITING BECAUSE WHILE THE POLICY
HAS MAYBE SHIFTED BECAUSE OF THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER, THERE’S A LACK
OF TRUST THERE THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO CARRY OUT
THOSE WISHES.
THOSE WISHES. CERTAINLY THE POLICY HASN’T
CHANGED FOR THE KIDS BEHIND ME.
THEY’RE CAUGHT IN THIS WEIRD
LOOPHOLE.
LOOPHOLE. THEY’RE SITTING THERE AFTER THE
OLD NEW POLICY HAS CHANGED
BECAUSE OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER,
BUT IT’S NOT CLEAR HOW THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER ACTUALLY AFFECTS
THEM BECAUSE THEY’RE ALREADY IN
CUSTODY.
CUSTODY. SO REALLY UNCLEAR HOW THEY’RE
GOING TO BE REUNITED WITH THEIR
FAMILIES.
FAMILIES. A LOT OF THESE KIDS THEIR
PARENTS ARE BACK IN CENTRAL
LATIN AMERICA SO THESE KIDS ARE
GOING TO END UP WITH A RELATIVE
OR DEPORTED OR END UP IN A
THIRD-PARTY HOME ACROSS THE U.S.
THAT’S THE CONCERN HERE AS THIS
SHAKES OUT AROUND THE COUNTRY.
>> YOU’RE TIRELESS, MY FRIEND.
THANKS FOR YOUR WORK DOWN THERE.
>>> JOHN, I WANT TO GET YOUR
TAKE ON THIS BROADLY, ESPECIALLY
THIS REARE YOU UNIFICATION
PROCESS.
PROCESS. YOU HAVE THE ARGUMENT THAT
PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING ASYLUM
ARE NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
WHAT IS THE PATH FORWARD HERE?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. TO CONGRESS’S POINT, TO THE
POINT OF LAWMAKERS TRYING TO GET
INTO THESE FACILITIES, YOU WOULD
THINK SOON WE WOULD SEE
LAWMAKERS HOLDING HEARINGS AND
HAVING THESE PEOPLE GIVE ANSWERS
IF THEY WANT ANSWERS.
THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING THIS
WEEK, BUT I THINK MORE BROADLY
MY INTEREST IN THIS IS HOW DO WE
GET HERE?
GET HERE? WHY IS THE ADMINISTRATION, APART
FROM THE FACT THIS IS AN ISSUE
THAT PLAYS POLITICALLY WELL FOR
THE PRESIDENT, PUSHING SO HARD
ON THIS?
ON THIS? IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, 20
YEARS AGO YOU HAD 150,000 PEOPLE
COMING ACROSS THE BOARDER EVERY
MONTH.
MONTH. THIS YEAR IT’S BEEN BELOW
50,000.
50,000. IT’S COME UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
I THINK IT REALLY JUST RAISES
THE QUESTION OF IS THIS ANYTHING
ELSE THAN THE PRESIDENT BETTING
ON XENOPHOBIA.
ON XENOPHOBIA. I THINK YOU’VE GOT THE LOWEST
AMOUNT OF PEOPLE IN 20 YEARS WHO
THINK THAT IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE
REDUCED.
REDUCED. I’M NOT SURE THERE’S.
THERE’S A LOT OF QUESTIONS OUT
THERE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS
IS A POLITICAL WINNER FOR
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> HE’S MAKING THAT BET AGAIN.
WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARDER, I
SPOKE WITH AN IMMIGRATION
ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTS
UNDOCUMENTED PARENTS WHO HAVE
BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR
CHILDREN AND IS USUALLY MEETING
WITH CLIENTS AT THAT SAME
FACILITY TWO OR THREE DAYS A
WEEK.
WEEK. YOU’VE BEEN DOING WORK ON RE
REUNITEING THESE FAMILIES.
THERE ARE CHILDREN STILL
SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.
HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT FINDING
THEIR PARENTS?
THEIR PARENTS? >> THAT’S A BIG QUESTION BECAUSE
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS VERY
THIN ON DETAILS.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION
DIDN’T PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO
ANY TYPE OF POLICY OR SYSTEM TO
REUNITE THE FAMILIES EVEN BEFORE
THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.
WE’RE STILL SCRAMBLING TO FIND
OUT WHERE THE CHILDREN ARE AND
THEN FIGURE OUT HOW AND WHERE
THE REUNFYIFICATION TAKES PLACE.
IT SEEMS THAT THE CHILDREN TAKEN
FROM THEIR PARENTS WERE LUMPED
TOGETHER WITH CHILDREN THAT CAME
BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT ANY
CONCERN WITH THE BACKGROUND OF
THE CHILD.
THE CHILD. THAT SYSTEM HAS THOUSANDS OF
CHILDREN IN IT.
TO TRY TO FIND THE CHILD, PICK
THAT CHILD UP AND TAKE THAT
CHILD OUT OF THE GROUP HAS BEEN
VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WHEN
THE CHILD CAN’T SAY I CAME HERE
WITH MY MOTHER.
HER NAME IS SO AND SO AND THIS
IS WHERE SHE IS.
WE’RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT
BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE NO
THOUGHT INTO THAT PROCESS
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE
PARTICULARLY YOUNG CHILDREN, THE
TODDLERS AND BABIES.
>>> THE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THE
FAMILIES THAT HAVE TAKEN IN
THESE CHILDREN HAVE WITNESSED
THE PAIN AND SUFFERING THEY HAVE
ENDURED.
ENDURED. WE SPOKE WITH A FOSTER MOM IN
MICHIGAN WHO ASKED THAT WE
PROTECT HER IDENTITY.
SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED WITH THE FOSTER CARE
PROGRAM FOR SIX YEARS AND HAVE
PUT UP CLOSE TO 100 CHILDREN
FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, INCLUDING
A 5-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO ARRIVED ON
WEDNESDAY.
WEDNESDAY. >> IT’S A BOY.
HE ARRIVED THIS MORNING AFTER
MANY DELAYS OF A FLIGHT TRYING
TO GET HERE AND RIGHT NOW NOT
TRUSTING ADULTS AND VERY QUIET,
ALTHOUGH HE’S MADE A LITTLE BIT
OF PROGRESS THIS MORNING.
WHEN KIDS FIRST COME LIKE THAT
AND THEY’RE VERY QUIET AND SHY,
YOU CAN TELL THEY’RE REALLY
OVERWHELMED.
OVERWHELMED. WE WILL MAKE THEIR WORLD VERY
SMALL AND THEN EXPAND IT AS THEY
START TO EXPLORE AND TRY TO HELP
THEM IN HEALTHY WAYS START TO
ADJUST TO BEING IN OUR HOME.
IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF AN
INTENSITY WITH THE REACTIONS OF
THE KIDS AS FAR AS WHAT’S
HAPPENING, WHAT’S HAPPENING,
WHAT’S HAPPENING.
WHAT’S HAPPENING. THEY SEEM TO KNOW LESS OF WHAT’S
HAPPENING AND THAT ALWAYS
CREATES SO MUCH TRAUMA ON TOP OF
THE TRAUMA OF JOURNEY AND WHY
THEY LEFT THEIR HOME IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
FIRST PLACE. KIDS ARE VERY UPSET.
THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON.
THE ANXIETY LEVEL IS VERY HIGH.
STOMACH PROBLEMS.
STOMACH PROBLEMS. THEY DON’T WANT TO EAT.
SLEEPING TROUBLES.
SLEEPING TROUBLES. IT’S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO
WATCH THEM.
WATCH THEM. WE HAD A LITTLE GIRL THAT JUST
LEFT NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THAT
WAS ALL SHE SAID WAS MOM, MOM,
MOM, MOM, MOM.
SHE HAD TWO WORDS AND THEY
BASICALLY AMOUNTED TO MOM AND
GRANDMA IS WHAT SHE IS SAYING
AND IT WAS PROBABLY TWO WEEKS
BEFORE SHE SAID ANYTHING ELSE.
OBVIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE COPE WITH
SOME THINGS BETTER THAN OTHERS,
BUT IT WILL DEFINITELY -- SOME
PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY NEVER
RECOVER FROM BEING SEPARATED FOR
THIS TIME PERIOD.
>> REALLY HEART BREAKING.
THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN
HELPING DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM
FOR MANY YEARS, BUT THE
DIFFERENCE, OF COURSE, IS HOW
MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IT IS FOR A
CHILD WHO IS PHYSICALLY
SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENT AS
OPPOSED TO CHILDREN WHO COME
HERE ALONE.
HERE ALONE. >> I THINK THESE FOSTER PARENTS
HAVE DEALT WITH THESE MINORS.
I THINK WHAT THAT INTERVIEW
REALLY SHOWCASES IS THIS IDEA
THAT THE STORY IS NOT GOING AWAY
UNTIL BASICALLY ALL 2,000 OF THE
KIDS WHO ARE LEFT FIND THEIR
PARENTS OR THE GOVERNMENT FINDS
THEIR PARENTS.
THEIR PARENTS. FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT,
THAT’S NOT GREAT FOR THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, BUT THERE’S A
NEWS ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO
BE WITH THE LAST KID THAT FINDS
THEIR PARENT SO THIS STORY KEEPS
GOING.
GOING. PERHAPS THE GOVERNMENT DOES KNOW
HOW TO GET THE KIDS BACK
TOGETHER WITH THEIR PARENTS AND
THERE ARE THESE ID NUMBERS THE
KIDS AND PARENTS ARE GIVEN TO
TRY TO HELP THAT HAPPEN, BUT AS
LONG AS THERE IS MESSAGE
CONFUSION AS IN NO ONE SEEMS TO
HAVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER TO HOW
THEY’RE GOING TO DO IT THAT THIS
WILL KEEP BEING A POLITICAL AND
POLICY QUESTION AND THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE
TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
ANSWERS, JUST LIKE THE PRESS IS
GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK THE
ADMINISTRATION FOR ANSWERS.
THAT’S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT
THREADS THAT WILL KEEP THIS
STORY GOING.
STORY GOING. MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP THIS STORY
GOING BECAUSE KIDS ARE NOT WITH
THEIR PARENTS, BUT IT’S JUST
GOING TO KEEP GOING AND GOING
UNTIL THEY FIGURE THIS OUT.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. EMILY JANE FOX, TO THAT POINT AS
WELL, YOU’VE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS
RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS FAMILY,
WHAT ALL OF THAT IS LIKE AND
CLEARLY HE IS VERY MOTIVATED BY
WHAT HE SEES ON TV.
THESE IMAGES HAVE BEEN VERY
DIFFICULT AND POWERFUL, BUT ALSO
BY WHAT HIS DAUGHTER AND HIS
WIFE HAVE BEEN SAYING TO HIM
BEHIND THE SCENES.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT
HAVE SAID TO THE PRESIDENT AND
HIS FAMILY THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE
THAT YOU WANT TO BE ON THE WRONG
SIDE OF AND IT REALLY IS ONE
THING FOR YOU TO DO AND THAT’S
TO GET THESE CHILDREN BACK WITH
THEIR PARENTS.
THEIR PARENTS. THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
POLITICAL PRESSURE AND PERHAPS
SOME FAMILY PRESSURE PLACED ON
THE PRESIDENT LAST WEEK, WHICH
IS WHY YOU SAW HIM SIGN THE
EXECUTIVE ORDER.
EXECUTIVE ORDER. YOU HEAR THE REPORTS THAT HE IS
REGRETFUL OF SIGNING THAT ORDER.
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT NO
MATTER WHO, WHETHER IT’S PEOPLE
IN HIS FAMILY OR PEOPLE ON HIS
BASE, WHATEVER KIND OF PRESSURE
THEY ARE PUTTING ON HIM,
ULTIMATELY HE IS THE DECIDER AND
THE ONE WHO WILL MAKE HIS OWN
CHOICES AND PERHAPS ULTIMATELY
REGRET THOSE CHOICES A COUPLE OF
DAYS LATER AND REVERSE THEM
COMPLETELY.
COMPLETELY. >> ACCORDING TO A TWEET THAT IT