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>> Hi I'm Stu Miniman here with the final wrap
with Jim Kobielus at DockerCon 2017.
The CUBE's really excited that we were here
for the third year. Have to have a big shout out
to our partners and our sponsors that allow us to be here.
Of course, Docker's been a great partnership.
They talk a lot about ecosystem,
really bringing some media people like ourselves
giving us some of the great speakers
from their company, the partner ecosystem
and their customers, and the sponsors
for the show, for ourselves, App Lariat,
CISCO, Iguazio, Skelety, Cononical, and Red Hat.
Without them we couldn't bring you this programming.
Really excited to be able to be here.
They're starting to tear down the show here,
so not a lot of time, so many things to dock to.
>> The show itself is containerized.
>> We're not even going to be able to talk
about the Franklin's barbeque.
>> You just did.
>> But Jim ... Absolutely. Jim, you've gotten
to be on the CUBE here, see some
of the show. Give us your quick hits.
>> Sure.
>> on your takeaways from the show.
>> First of all, my first takeaway
is this is a vibrant developer ecosystem, clearly.
This show is much larger than the year before, and the year
before that. It'll probably be twice as large next year.
That's my prediction based on the sheer amount
of developers migrating into the Docker ecosystem
because so many organizations are Dockerizing
their applications, containerizing their applications.
That's a huge focus for me and Wikibon, as an analyst,
is the containerization of application development
with microservices and all that,
for cloud deployment and multi-clouds,
hot, hot, hot across all niches. So, vibrant ecosystem.
Docker as the core solution-provider
and the centerpiece of this community. Amazing show.
The Enterprise Edition, of course,
that preceded the announcement of that
and the release preceded this show.
That's critically important in getting Docker
into new accounts that, with a full stack.
Clearly it's enterprise ready.
Developers, more developers will be exposed to Docker
through the EE. Docker, at this show,
had a couple of really important announcements
for developers. Moby. Project Moby,
for customization of container images and so forth,
clearly that's going to be a multiplier effect
on the ecosystem of developers, ISVs and so forth,
Building applications, and customizing containerized
Docker applications and images
for a wide range of opportunities.
>> Yeah, Jim, just want to comment on the Moby piece here
'cause it was really interesting.
I think the last couple of years, it's been that pull
and tug as to what was the open-source piece,
what is the company itself doing,
and I think it's clarifying. Kubernetes is a big rising tide
in the environment, and all they cared about is they've got
the open-source pieces that they need to be able
to do Kubernetes. So, with Moby Project it's like okay,
now I understand what's out and open.
I understand what Docker's doing.
I saw some humility from Solomon Hykes,
talking, it's like we're listening.
We're working, you know, ecosystem, ecosystem, ecosystem.
So it was good to see that maturity.
I mean, there were some people that I talk to,
and they're like, "Oh, will this be the last DockerCon?"
I'm like, "I don't think anybody watching this show
would say that coming out." As you said, I expect the show
to grow; it's doing really well.
>> Solomon's totally partner-focused. Look at him.
>> Kudos to what they're doing.
The partners are excited. It's not just lip service.
"Oh yeah. We did some little announcement on the side."
No. We're excited. This is there.
I know you've got a bunch of pieces, but I want to ask you,
are developers excited about taking this legacy ...
>> There's lots of news I'm going to analyze.
>> Legacy applications, and like helping to move those in,
or they only want to work on the cool new stuff?
>> Oh, that's a huge theme. MTA.
I forget what exactly the acronym stands for,
but it's wrapping legacy applications, containerizing them
in the Docker ecosystem. That is so important
so all of these legacy applications
will be Dockerized before long, and refactored,
in addition to all the Greenfield development
of containerized applications.
So the MTA announcement, just as critical
as the Moby announcement and so forth in terms,
and EE as part of the show, of getting Docker,
getting their ecosystem, getting developers working
in this environment, more and more developers.
This entire Docker, this entire ecosystem
has a magnetic force on the developer community, or will.
Those are very important. Also I thought the announcements
with Microsoft, in terms of containers are going
into Windows in a larger way, Linux containers and so forth,
that also, 'cause Microsoft has a huge presence obviously
in not only enterprise but small to midsize businesses.
We're going to see Docker in ever-smaller deployments,
hosts and so forth, across the board.
More buyers, in other words, more companies
will be Dockerizing more applications
thanks to, in part, Microsoft as clearly a forerunner.
>> Jim, absolutely. I say it at almost every cloud show.
I want to follow the data and I want
to follow the applications, and you had Microsoft
and you had Oracle. You had two of the big players
from an application standpoint,
Oracle's now in the Docker store.
>> Oracle's in the Docker store. That is huge.
>> Yeah.
>> That has validated containers and Docker for ...
>> How about you? From the data standpoint, I heard,
we talked to Iguazio about some
of the analytics and things ...
>> Jim: I'm a data guy, yeah.
>> Yeah, you're a data guy. What's a data guy think
at a show like this? Is it too infrastructure-focused,
or did you see some of the data future here?
>> No. It's infrastructure-focused in the sense that
it needs to be to harden this technology
for enterprise deployment, but it's really dev-ops focused,
you know, Kubernetes and everything, and Swarm and whatnot.
Look at all these vendors. Here are these tools
for the dev-ops life cycle, Kubernetes and everything.
That's really, really important.
It's all about developers and speeding of development,
and putting containerized Docker applications and images
into production, and managing them and securing them
and so forth. Just the sheer range of dev-ops tools
on this show floor that's packing up now was amazing.
I'm just uncracking my research here. Very important.
So I'm going to wrap up. So, the adoption is amazing.
I mean, all these industries, including like Visa.
We had a swap-meet, who have adopted Docker
into core applications that they're running
major businesses on. That's some serious validation
in its own right.
>> Jim, one of the feedback I got from,
it was actually John White from Expedient.
>> Okay.
>> talked about, and he said he deals with kind of small
to mid, to little bit large enterprises, and he said,
all that this keynote reminds us of
AWS Re:Invent a couple of years ago.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Big global names. I mean, it's, you know, Visa.
You know. Around the globe. Northern Trust.
These are not, you know, your regional companies
that did a little initiative. It's virtualization started
in a lot of small environments.
Containerization really started in the likes of Google.
I remember the first DockerCon. It was Google and Facebook,
and they're the ones that have been doing these projects
pre-Docker, and it's slowly moving down.
Part of the things I look at is where's the watermark
>> Jim: Yeah.
>> Where below this you're probably not going
to do containers because you're going to go live
on a platform that leverages container.
The service writers I talked to ...
>> Jim: They're going to live in a public cloud
like Microsoft, or you know.
>> Stu: The cloud guys. I'm going to go to, right,
I'm going to go to Microsoft. I'm going to go to Oracle.
>> Jim: AWS or IBM.
>> Stu: I'm going to go AWS.
>> Jim: Whoever it might be.
>> Right. Any of them because they're going to just take care
of that, and I won't care that it was containerized,
so at the end of the day, it's not that tool,
it's the wave of that modernization.
>> Oh. Yeah, I want to end on a data note
because we were talking about data. Okay.
I thought Iguazio, I thought Yaron was very,
that was very good to have him. There's a lot
of storage foundations like Veritas and so forth,
so storage in a Docker environment
and persistent storage and data protection,
pretty important, but also containerizing the new wave
of applications that are machine-learning
and deep learning and artificial intelligence.
We got a fair look at some of that from Solomon yesterday
because Solomon mentioned that the open AI consortium
is based in their internal test bed training network
on Docker, on Swarm and so forth.
I, in my prior life, I just joined Wikibon a few weeks ago,
I've focused on data science, which is
a key development theme, by the way, I'll focus on
for Wikibon. I saw a lot of containerization.
I saw a fair amount of Docker and a lot
of the data science oriented app dev that was going on
in the business world. That's going to be a huge theme
for me under Wikibon, but also,
I mean Solomon sort of alluded to a lot, and so did Yaron,
a lot of the work that's going on
in the AI community Dockerized their application.
Tenser flowing, all that. Huge theme we'll probably see
much more of at next year's DockerCon I predict
containerizing AI.
>> All right. Well.
>> For deployment into autonomous vehicles. Whatever.
>> Jim, you've long been a CUBE alumn,
but now you are a veteran of doing the CUBE.
I really appreciate you coming on.
>> I'm on this side of the table now. It's amazing.
>> Stu: I want to give a shout out to the whole team here.
John Furrier, I know, was really disappointed.
He loves this show. Usually my co-host.
A lot of these open-sourced shows.
John, you better be down here in Austin
for CUBECon at the end of the year with me.
So many shows now through July 4th.
The CUBE has so many activities going on.
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