>> HE ADMITS IT. SAID ABOUT OMAROSA, TERRIBLE
ABOUT HER JOB, BUT SAID GOOD
THINGS ABOUT ME SO I KEPT HER
AROUND.
AROUND. AND RECORDS SHOW PRESIDENT TRUMP
STRUGGLING TO GAIN APPROVE UNTIL
JOB PERFORMANCE WITH NEGATIVE
APPROVAL RATINGS IN DOUBLE
DIGITS IN ALL THREE POLLS.
UPSIDE-DOWN ACCORDING TO
QUINNIPIAC IN CNN’S POLL UPSIDE
DOWN 11 POINTS AND DOWN 17
POINTS IN THE GALLUP POLL WITH A
39% RATING IN THEIR WEEKLY
TRACKING POLL.
TRACKING POLL. IF THE KWAI THE QUINNIPIAC POLL
WHETHER THEY LIKED TRUMP AS A
PERSON.
PERSON. 31% SAY YES.
59% SAY THEY DISLIKE HIM.
THE PRESIDENT’S TWITTER HABITS,
26% BELIEVE HE SHOULD CONTINUE
TWEETING WHILE 66% THINK HE
SHOULD STOP.
SHOULD STOP. HEIDI, TALKING ABOUT THIS
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. WITH A STRONG ECONOMY,
UNEMPLOYMENT AT 3.9% YOU WOULD
EXPECT PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BE UP
OVER 39%, 41% LOCKED IN ALMOST
FROM THE BEGINNING.
>> TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY,
WILLIE, SO I TOOK, AN ATTEMPT,
TO LOOK CLOSER AT THESE NUMBERS
AND I SAW A REAL DANGER ZONE
WITHIN THE NUMBERS, WHICH WAS
THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HE’S
DOING FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.
REMEMBER, THIS WAS THE WHOLE
PREMISE OF HIS CAMPAIGN, WAS
THAT HE WAS GOING TO BUCK THE
ESTABLISHMENT.
ESTABLISHMENT. THAT HE RAN AGAINST THEM TO
ELEVATE THE NEEDS OF THE
FORGOTTEN MAN.
FORGOTTEN MAN. ACCORDING TO THE POLLING BY A
MARGIN OF 58% TO 38%, HE HAS NOT
DONE ENOUGH TO HELP THE MIDDLE
CLASS, AND THOSE WHITE VOTERS
WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES AMONG
THEM HE IS NOW EVENLY SPLIT.
THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE FOR DONALD
TRUMP NOW IN THIS QUINNIPIAC
POLL ALONG WHITE VOTERS WITHOUT
COLLEGE DEGREES.
COLLEGE DEGREES. THAT’S NOTABLE AND SPEAKS
DIRECTLY TO THE DEBATE YOU WERE
JUST HAVING ABOUT PRESIDENT
TRUMP AS A DEALMAKER.
SO WE’RE NOW A YEAR AND A HALF
INTO THIS PRESIDENCY THAT WAS
PREMISED ON HELPING THE
FORGOTTEN MAN.
FORGOTTEN MAN. AND WE ALL SAW FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING WHAT HAPPENED WITH
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. HE MAY HAVE COME IN WITH THE
BEST OF INTENTIONS IN TERMS OF
HELPING THE FORGOTTEN MAN WAS
IMMEDIATELY CO-OPTED BY THAT
VERY ESTABLISHMENT IN TERMS OF
THE AGENDA PUSHED THROUGH
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. THERE WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE
PLAN.
PLAN. THE HOPE AMONG SCHUMER, WHY HE
KIND OF HELD BACK INITIALLY,
HOPING THAT MAYBE THE PRESIDENT
WOULD COME TO HIM AND NANCY
PELOSI AND DO REVITALIZATION OF
AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CUT
A BIG DEAL WITH THEM.
THERE WAS NONE OF THAT.
THERE WAS NO COMPROMISE TO BRING
BETTER HEALTH CARE THAT’S
CHEAPER AND THAT COVERS
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE. THERE WAS -- GO BACK TO THE OLD
PLAYBOOK OF TAX CUTS FOR THE
RICH, AND TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH
THAT ARE EVEN MORE SKEWED THAN
THOSE UNDER REAGAN AND BUSH.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHY YOU’RE
SEEING THESE NUMBERS MOVE THE
WAY THAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE A LOT
OF THESE PEOPLE, I JUST HAVE
THIS FEELING THAT THEY ARE
NOT -- THEIR ALLEGIANCES ARE
VERY SHALLOW.
VERY SHALLOW. THE REASON WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP
WON THE MIDWEST WAS NOT BECAUSE
THEY ALL LOVED HIM SO MUCH.
IT WAS BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS
DIDN’T TURN OUT, AND NOW YOU’RE
STARTING TO SEE THOSE INTENSITY
NUMBERS REALLY MOVE.
>> WELL, AND YOU’RE RIGHT,
HEIDI.
HEIDI. IT’S NOT BECAUSE THEY LOVE
DONALD TRUMP SO MUCH.
WE’VE COMMENTED AT THE TIME THAT
DONALD TRUMP, LIKE, ONLY 35, 36%
OF AMERICANS FOUND DONALD TRUMP
TO BE HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY.
IN THE 50s FOUND HIM TO BE A
LIAR AND DISHONEST.
HE JUST HAPPENED TO BE RUNNING
AGAINST SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY
HAD LOWER HON EFFORT AND
TRUSTWORTHY NUMBERS THAN HIM.
PRETTY REMARKABLE.
PRETTY REMARKABLE. GENE ROBINSON.
GENE ROBINSON. I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT THE
REV AND WILLIE AND -- AND WE
WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT, DONNY,
TALKING ABOUT IT.
ABOUT KNOWING THIS GUY FOR TEN
YEARS.
YEARS. >> UH-HUH.
>> UH-HUH. >> AND THIS IS THE BIZARRE THING
ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. HE TALKED ABOUT FUND-RAISERS FOR
CHUCK SCHUMER.
CHUCK SCHUMER. NANCY PELOSI.
NANCY PELOSI. I MEAN, HE WAS A DEMOCRAT.
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WASN’T EVEN
POSING FOR ANYBODY, HE GAVE A
TON OF MONEY TO THE DNC.
HE GAVE MONEY TO RAHM EMANUEL.
HE DID ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT
WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO MAKE
THAT TURN, LIKE I THINK A LOT OF
THOSE DEMOCRATS BELIEVED THAT HE
WAS GOING TO MAKE.
AGAIN, HE WAS ALWAYS BROODISH IS
PUBLICLY, SHALLOW, ALWAYS
INSECURE, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY
ASSUMED, AND IT WAS A PRETTY
GOOD CALCULATION THAT THOSE VERY
QUALITY WOULD MAKE HIM WANT TO
BE BELOVED SO MUCH THAT HE’D
RATHER HAVE A 50% APPROVAL
RATING THAN THE 39% APPROVAL
RATING, BUT EVERY STEP OF THE
WAY HE HAS CHOSEN THE NARROW
CAST.
CAST. JUST CALLED A BLACK WOMAN A DOG.
HE CALLS LATINOS BREEDERS JUST
THIS YEAR.
THIS YEAR. MEXICANS RAPISTS DURING THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. BLACK COUNTRIES AND MAJORITY
BLACK CONTINENT S-HOLE
COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. HE IS DONE EVERYTHING HE CAN DO
TO TRAP HIMSELF IN THE 30s.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, YOU SAID SOMETHING
EARLIER THAT’S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I MEAN, WHENEVER I WRITE REALLY
ANYTHING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP,
SOME PEOPLE, DEMOCRATS, WRITE ME
AND SAY, YOU KNOW, NO.
DON’T WRITE THAT.
DON’T SAY THAT.
THAT’S JUST WHAT HE WANTS.
THIS IS ALL A TRAP SOMEHOW.
WHEN, NO, IT’S NOT.
IT’S NOT.
IT’S NOT. IT’S JUST HE’S NOT -- HE DID
JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE A FALL DOWN
THE STAIRS AS PART OF SOME SORT
OF EVIL PLOT, AND, YOU KNOW, I
THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION
THAT YOU GUYS ARE POSING IS
CLEARLY THAT HE’S NOT FULLY IN
CONTROL.
CONTROL. I MEAN, HE’S NOT IN CONTROL.
>> GENE, THESE -- I’VE GOT TO
SAY, REALLY -- THERE’S -- THE
GUY’S NOT RIGHT.
>> UH-HUH.
>> UH-HUH. YOU KNOW --
>> HE’S NOT -- HE’S NOT ACTING
LOGICALLY.
LOGICALLY. >> UH-HUH.
>> UH-HUH. >> AND I DON’T KNOW HOW TO SAY
WITHOUT PEOPLE SAYING, DON’T ACT
LIKE YOU’RE A DOCTOR.
I’M NOT ACTING LIKE I’M A
DOCTOR, I’VE KNOWN THE GUY TEN
YEARS, THOUGH.
YEARS, THOUGH. NOBODY RATIONALLY BEHAVES THIS
WAY, UNLESS THEY WANT TO GET
WIPED OUT IN ELECTIONS.
UNLESS HE WANT TO HAVE 38%, 39%
APPROVAL RATING.
APPROVAL RATING. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AS A MATTER OF POLITICS, AS A
MATTER OF THE NUMBERS, THIS IS
AN INSANE WAY TO BEHAVE AND THEN
OTHER THINGS.
OTHER THINGS. THE WAY THESE SORT OF -- WHAT I
SUSPECT WERE SORT OF DEEPLY
BURIED PREJUDICES HAVE COME OUT,
ABOUT LATINOS, ABOUT
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, ABOUT WOMEN,
CERTAINLY, THE WAY HE TREATS
WOMEN, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS
THAT, KNOW, AN ADULT IN CONTROL
OF HIMSELF MANAGES TO BURY.
MANAGES TO REALIZE THAT THEY’RE
NOT APPROPRIATE.
NOT APPROPRIATE. CERTAINLY NOT APPROPRIATE TO
SORT OF TRUMPET THE WAY HE --
BUT HE CAN’T CONTROL THOSE
THINGS.
THINGS. THEY JUST SORT OF ERUPT OUT OF
HIM.
HIM. HE LEARNED TO DO ONE
EXTRAORDINARY THING DURING THE
CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS THE SORT OF
STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS RALLIES
IN WHICH FOR A SEGMENT OF THE
ELECTORATE, THEY ARE CATNIPPED.
THEY ARE AMPHETAMINES.
THEY ARE WHATEVER YOU -- SOME
KIND OF DRUG THAT REALLY PUMP
PEOPLE UP.
PEOPLE UP. AND THAT’S REALLY WHAT HE KNOWS
HOW TO DO.
SO THAT’S WHAT HE’LL CONTINUE TO
DO, AND IT TURNS OUT THE OR 60%
MORE AND MORE, BUT THIS IS NOT
JUST ALL SOME DIE DOL IKABOLICAL
THIS IS A MAN OUT OF CONTROL.
>> 39%, 40%, YOU LOSE ELECTIONS.
DON’T WORRY.
DON’T WORRY. HE’S NOT GOING TO SNEAK UP ON
YOU LIKE HE DID BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, MIKA AND WILLIE AND I
AND MARK HALPERIN SAID HE HAD A
CHANCE TO WIN THE LAST TWO
WEEKS.
WEEKS. DIDN’T THINK HE WAS GOING TO.
A CHANCE TO WIN, AND SERIOUSLY,
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE SAID
LOCUSTS WERE GOING TO BE
DESCENDING FROM THE HEAVENS AND
EATING THE FLESH OTHER EVERY
HUMAN BEING IN AMERICA.
I’M HERE TO TELL YOU NOW A 40%
PRESIDENT LOSES MIDTERMS AND 40%
PRESIDENT DOESN’T GET
RE-ELECTED.
RE-ELECTED. AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT RESERVED AL, LET’S WRAP THIS
UP.
UP. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ON
HERE WHO HAVE KNOWN DONALD TRUMP
FOR TEN YEARS.
SO INTERESTING TO ME.
GENE HAD SAID, TALKING ABOUT THE
GUY’S NOT WELL.
GENE HAD SAID BEFORE THAT PEOPLE
KEEP THEIR PREJUDICES BURIED
WHEN THEY TALK.
CERTAINLY IN PUBLIC.
I’M SURE HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING
INAPPROPRIATE TO YOU RACIALLY,
BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHILE DONALD
TRUMP SAID INAPPROPRIATE THINGS
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND
CERTAINLY WAS NOT A FEMINIST
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS FOR THE
DECADE I WAS WITH HIM, I CAN
TELL YOU AND MIKA WOULD TELL YOU
THE SAME THING.
HE NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING
REMOTELY INSENSITIVE BEHIND
CLOSED DOORS REGARDING RACE.
NEVER ONCE.
NEVER ONCE. THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD HIM
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT WAS IN
2011 WHEN HE -- WHEN HE HELD ON
TO THIS BIRTHER CONSPIRACY AND
IT WAS LIKE THIS LIFELONG
DEMOCRAT FIGURED OUT THAT IF HE
PLAYED A RACIST AND A BIGOT, HE
COULD WIN THE REPUBLICAN
NOMINATION.
NOMINATION. WHICH, OF COURSE, OFFENDED ME AT
THE TIME, BECAUSE I WAS A
REPUBLICAN, BUT I’LL BE DAMAGED
IF HE DIDN’T DO IT.
THIS MAKES IT WORSE.
>> I HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MET HIM
IN THE ’80s WITH DON KING AND
TYSON AND THEN I MARCHED ON
AROUND THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE
CASE WHICH HE WAS ADAMANTLY
OPPOSED TO.
OPPOSED TO. AS I GOT TO KNOW HIM HE NEVER
WAS OFFENSIVE.
WAS OFFENSIVE. ACTUALLY CAME ON NATIONAL
CONVENTION’S TWICE, CUT THE
RIBBON WITH GERALDINE FERRARO.
THE BIRTHER THING I STARTED
SAYING THIS GUY IS NOT GENUINE
AND ALWAYS SENSED HE WAS PLAYING
ME, BUT I DIDN’T KNOW THAT HE
WAS ON THE OTHER TEAM UNTIL
BIRTHER AND THEN HE HAD MICHAEL
COHEN CALL ME AND SIT DOWN AND
SAY, WHY ARE YOU SAYING WHAT I’M
SAYING IS RACIST?
I SAID, BRA ITECAUSE IT IS, AND
TRYING TO GAUGE WHETHER HE WAS
JUST INSENSITIVE OR REALLY
RACIAL?
RACIAL? AS TIME HAS GONE ON AND AT THE
LIMITS OF WHAT HE’S ABLE TO DO,
YOU DO WHAT PEOPLE DO.
YOU REACH INSIDE TO WHO YOU
REALLY ARE.
REALLY ARE. THESE FEELINGS ARE REALLY COMING
OUT.
OUT. NO ONE COULD WALL AFRICAN
NATIONS S-HOLES OR MEXICANS
RIPPISTS OR CALL A BLACK WOMAN A
DOGS IN THAT’S REALLY IN THEM.
THAT’S WHO HE IS AND I THINK
MANY OF US GAVE HIM A BENEFIT OF
A DOUBT THAT HE NEVER LIVED UP
TO.
TO. WE KNEW HE WASN’T GENUINE BUT WE
DIDN’T KNOW WHO GENUINELY HE
WAS.
WAS. >> THAT’S A GREAT WAY OF PUTTING
IT.
IT. >> ONE TIME HE CALLED, SCREAMING
EARLY DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AND
SAID STUFF CALLING ME A BIGOT ON
TV.
TV. YOU KNOW I’M NOT A BIGOT.
AND I SAID, WELL, DONALD, IF
YOU’RE NOT A BIGOT YOU’RE
PLAYING ONE ON TV TO GET
ELECTED, WHICH ACTUALLY IS EVEN
WORSE.
WORSE. SO --
SO -- IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER -- IKE
ALWAYS SAID YOU DON’T -- YOU
DON’T GUESS WHAT SOMEBODY
BELIEVES.
BELIEVES. YOU DON’T TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT
THEY BELIEVE.
THEY BELIEVE. LOOK AT THEIR ACTIONS, AND THAT
WILL TELL YOU.
WELL, DONALD TRUMP BY HIS
ACTIONS, HE HAS SHOWN US,
REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE BELIEVES
INSIDE HIS HEAD, HE’S A BIGOT.
HE’S ACTING LIKE A BIGOT.
HE’S RULING LIKE A BIGOT, AND
THAT BIGOT WILL BE DEFEATED AT
THE POLLS THIS FALL AND IN TWO