THE RUSSIANS.
ALL THAT IN THE BACKGROUND.
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS
AVAILABLE, HE’S ON THE PHONE AND
JOINS US NOW.
MR. PRESIDENT THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR BEING ON THE SHOW THIS
MORNING.
>> HELLO, STUART.
STUART: I UNDERSTAND THAT OVER
THE WEEKEND A RALLY IN FLORIDA,
YOU SAID THAT IT WAS YOUR
PERSONALITY THAT STOPPED PUTIN
INVADING DURING YOUR PRESIDENCY.
YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT?
>> WELL, THAT’S VERY
INTERESTING.
WE START OFF WITH THAT ONE,
BECAUSE IF YOU’LL REMEMBER WHEN
I WAS RUNNING IN 2016, THEY ALL
SAID TRUMP WILL GET US INTO A
WAR.
IT’S HIS PERSONALITY AND
ACTUALLY NOW THEY SAY IT WAS MY
PERSONALITY THAT KEPT US OUT OF
A WAR, SO I THINK IT WAS, YOU
KNOW, WE HAD A GREAT FOUR YEARS,
AND SHOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED WHAT
HAPPENED BUT IT DID WITH THE
ELECTION AND THEN WE HAVE
SOME PEOPLE RUNNING THIS WHAT’S
GONE ON WITH UKRAINE SHOULD
NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, STUART.
STUART: PRESIDENT BIDEN GOES TO
POLAND ON FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK.
FRONT LINE NATO STATE.
WHAT SHOULD HE DO?
>> WELL IT’S VERY LATE.
THE CARDS ARE LAID AND THE CARDS
ARE OUT AND HE’S GOT A BAD HAND.
HE’S GIVEN HIMSELF A VERY BAD
HAND.
HE HAD A VERY STRONG HAND BEFORE
IT ALL STARTED, THE STRONGEST,
AND IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED
IT WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER STARTED
IF I WERE PRESIDENT AND I CAN
TELL YOU THAT WITH 100%
CERTAINTY.
THIS IS HORRIBLE.
THIS IS A HUMAN TRAGEDY WHAT’S
GOING ON.
HE’S NOW GOING WITH THE VERY
WEAK HAND AND HE IS NOT SOMEBODY
THAT REALLY MIXES IT UP.
HE SITS THERE AND EVERYONE TELLS
HIM WHAT TO DO AND WHAT THEY’RE
DOING, AND HE DOESN’T MIX IT UP.
HE DOES, IT’S VERY SAD TO WATCH.
I’VE WATCHED IT AND THESE OTHER
COUNTRIES ARE TAKING OVER AND
LEADERRING AND WE’RE SUPPOSED TO
BE THE ONES LEADING AND THEY ARE
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US LIKE THEY
HAVE, EVEN OUR ALLIES, THEY TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF US ON NATO, THEY
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US ON JUST
ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY CAN, AND
THEY ARE PARTICULAR ON TRADE.
ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US ON TRADE,
AND THEY ARE REALLY TELLING HIM
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, NOT WHAT
WE WANT TO DO.
IT’S VERY SAD TO WATCH.
STUART: IS THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT
WHETHER WE SHOULD SEND JETS, MIG
JETS TO EPIDEMIC UKRAINIAN AIR
FORCE, WOULD YOU SEND IN THAT
KIND OF HELP?
>> WELL MAYBE EVEN MORE, TO BE
HONEST WITH YOU, AND I’M --
STUART: WHAT, MR. PRESIDENT?
>> I’M THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE
SAID, LET ME JUST EXPLAIN THAT
PUTIN IS SAYING THINGS LIKE
DON’T YOU DARE SEND ANYTHING IN.
IN THE MEANTIME HE’S KILLING
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE, SO HE’S ACTING LIKE
WE’RE AN AGGRESSOR IF WE SEND
IN OLD 44-YEAR-OLD PLANE THAT
PROBABLY GETS SHOT AT IN THE SKY
PRETTY QUICKLY, AND HE’S ACTING
LIKE WE’RE TERRIBLE PEOPLE IF WE
DO THAT, BUT HE’S KILLING TENS
OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, FAR MORE
THAN THEY ARE REPORTING.
YOU DON’T KNOCK DOWN THOSE
BUILDINGS AND BLOW UP
THOSE BUILDINGS AND THEY SAY TWO
PEOPLE ARE INJURED SLIGHTLY, AND
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE BEING
KILLED, AND WHEN HE SAYS DON’T
YOU DARE DO THAT, AND WE ALL SAY
OH, HE SAID DON’T DO IT, THE
FACT IS THAT WHAT HE’S DOING
IS A HUMAN TRAGEDY.
THERE’S NOT BEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THIS IN A SENSE MAYBE EVER, BUT
CERTAINLY SINCE WORLD WAR II
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, BUT THERE’S
NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
STUART: SO WHAT DO YOU DO NOW?
YOU SAID YOU’D MAYBE DO MORE
THAN JUST SEND IN THE MIG JETS,
ALL RIGHT WHAT MORE?
>> WELL WHAT I WOULD DO IS I
WOULD, WE WOULD, WE HAVE
TREMENDOUS MILITARY CAPABILITY
AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITHOUT PLANE
S TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
WITHOUT 44-YEAR-OLD JETS, WHAT
WE CAN DO IS ENORMOUS, AND WE
SHOULD BE DOING IT AND WE SHOULD
BE HELPING THEM TO SURVIVE AND
THEY’RE DOING AN AMAZING JOB
BUT I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID TO
THE JAVELINS, EVERYONE REFUSES
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND I TOOK A
LOT OF HEAT, AND I SENT IT IN
VERY OPENLY AND GLOWINGLY AND
THEY SAID OBAMA SENT BLANKETS
AND TRUMP SENT JAVELINS . WELL
NOBODY KNEW HOW WELL THOSE
JAVELINS WOULD DO BUT
THOSE JAVELINS THAT KNOCKED OUT
ALL OF THE TANKS THEY WERE SENT
BY ME AND WE SENT THEM IN LARGE
NUMBERS TOO.
I DIDN’T EVEN REALIZE AT THE
TIME WHEN I SENT THEM I SAID MAN
, THAT’S A LOT OF STUFF WE’RE
SENDING BUT LET’S DO IT.
LET THEM HAVE A CHANCE.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY
WOULD HAVE BEEN SO POWERFUL, THE
WAY THEY PROTECTED THAT
COUNTRY, BUT THEY NEED OTHER
KINDS OF HELP, AND ONE THING I
DO RAPIDLY IS I’D GET THE OIL
FLOWING BECAUSE IF YOU REDUCE
THE PRICE OF OIL SIGNIFICANTLY,
THAT WAR IS GOING TO END.
YOU KNOW THE EXPRESSION, WHAT
YOU NEED FOR WAR IS THREE THINGS
MONEY, MONEY, AND MONEY.
IF YOU BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF
OIL, AND YOU COULD KNOCK THE
HELL OUT OF THE PRICE, I HAD
IT DOWN TO $1.71 AT ONE POINT,
IN FACT IT WAS SO LOW THAT I WAS
AFRAID WE WERE GOING TO LOSE OUR
OIL COMPANIES.
YOU’VE GOT TO GET THAT OIL DOWN,
AND IF YOU GET THE OIL DOWN,
THAT WAR IS GOING TO END.
STUART: WELL LET ME PRESS YOU
AGAIN ON WHAT EXTRA MILITARY
HELP YOU WOULD GIVE TO THE
UKRAINIANS.
YOU SAY YOU WANT TO DO MORE THAN
JUST THE MIG JETS OR THE
JAVELINS.
WHAT MORE?
>> WELL I THINK THE DRONES ARE
JUST AS EFFECTIVE AS ANYTHING
NOW.
THEY MAKE DRONES TODAY, WE MAKE,
WE HAVE DRONES THAT ARE JUST AS
EFFECTIVE AS JUST ABOUT
ANYTHING IN THE AIR, ANYTHING
YOU CAN DO IN THE AIR AND YOU
CAN DO DRONES PLUS THEY GIVE
BACK TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF
INFORMATION AND THE INFORMATION
LEADS MISSILES RIGHT TO WHATEVER
THE HELL TARGET THEY ARE AND
THEREFORE, YOU’RE BEING NEUTRAL,
IT SO RIDICULOUS.
LOOK, STUART, WHEN HE GOES IN
AND HE KILLS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
, ARE WE GOING TO JUST SIT
BY AND WATCH?
THIS COUNTRY WILL BE IN 100
YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE
TALKING ABOUT WHAT A TRAVESTY, A
HORRIBLE THING THIS IS.
WE CAN’T LET THAT, JUST ON A
HUMAN BASIS WE CAN’T LET THAT
HAPPEN, AND THEN HE SAYS THAT
THERE ARE NUCLEAR POWER BUT
WE’RE A GREATER NUCLEAR POWER.
I HATED TO DO IT, BUT I REBUILT
OUR NUCLEAR CAPABILITY LIKE
NOBODY HAS EVER THOUGHT EVEN
POSSIBLE.
$2.5 TRILLION IN OUR MILITARY,
AND A BIG CHUNK OF IT WENT TO
NUCLEAR AND WE’RE DOING IT.
WE HAD 45-YEAR-OLD AND 50-
YEAR-OLD WEAPONS THAT WE
DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WORKED
AND NOW WE HAVE BRAND NEW STUFF
THAT’S IMMENSELY POWERFUL AND
HOPE TO GOD YOU NEVER HAVE TO
USE IT BECAUSE IT BE , THAT BE
THE TRAGEDY OF ALL TRAGEDIES
BUT IF WE DIDN’T HAVE IT WE
COULDN’T TALK BUT I LISTENED TO
HIM CONSTANTLY USING THE N WORD
, THAT’S THE N WORD,
AND HE’S CONSTANTLY USING IT.
THE NUCLEAR WORD, AND WE NEVER
TALK, WE SAY OH, HE’S A NUCLEAR
POWER, BUT WE’RE A GREATER
NUCLEAR POWER.
WE HAVE THE GREATEST SUBMARINES
IN THE WORLD, MOST POWERFUL
MACHINES EVER BUILT, MOST
POWERFUL AND THEY GOT BUILT
UNDER ME.
MOST POWERFUL MACHINES EVER
BUILT AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE
THEY ARE AND YOU SHOULD SAY LOOK
, IF YOU MENTION THAT WORD,
ONE MORE TIME, WE’RE GOING TO
SEND THEM OVER AND WE’LL BE
COASTING BACK AND FORTH UP AND
DOWN YOUR COAST.
YOU CAN’T LET THIS TRAGEDY
CONTINUE.
YOU CAN’T LET THESE THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE DIE.
IT’S GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS AND MAYBE MILLIONS OF
PEOPLE BY THE TIME IT ENDS.
STUART: WELL LET ME TURN TO
CHINA.
CHINA HAS A DEAL WITH RUSSIA.
THEY WILL HELP EACH OTHER DURING
THIS WAR.
>> YEAH.
STUART: PRESIDENT BIDEN HELD
THIS TWO-HOUR PHONE CALL WITH
XI-JINPING, WE HAVEN’T GOT
A TRANSCRIPT.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THREATS WERE
ON THE TABLE, BUT WE PRESUMED --
>> I THINK I DO.
STUART: GO AHEAD, TELL US.
>> WE WERE THREATENED BY CHINA.
I HEARD, HE READ A LINE THAT
THEY GAVE TO HIM ABOUT
REPERCUSSIONS.
HE READ, THEY GAVE HIM A LINE
AND HE READ IT.
XI IS VERY SMART, I DEALT WITH
THEM ALL.
I KNOW THEM BETTER THAN I KNOW
YOU, STUART AND I KNOW YOU AND
LIKE YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU ON
THE SUCCESS OF YOUR SHOW BECAUSE
PEOPLE LOVE YOUR SHOW AND LOVE
YOU BUT I KNOW THEM BETTER THAN
I KNOW YOU AND WHEN THEY READ A
LINE, HE DOESN’T EXACTLY GET
PHASED.
HE DOESN’T READ LINES.
HE GIVES LINES, AND I BELIEVE
STRONGLY THAT HE MADE A THREAT,
ACTUALLY, TO BIDEN AND THAT
WASN’T REPORTED, SO WE SHOULD
GET A TAPE OF THE CALL, JUST
LIKE WE DID WITH MY PERFECT CALL
TO THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
WHICH IS THE REASON I LIKE HIM
SO MUCH.
ONE REASON, AND NOW HE’S PROVEN,
BECAUSE HE STOOD UP FOR ME WITH
THAT CALL.
HE SAID TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG.
HE DIDN’T THREATEN ME.
HE COULD HAVE GONE THE OTHER WAY
, COULD HAVE GONE WOKE LIKE
GUYS LIKE BILL BARR DO.
STUART: DO YOU RESPECT PUTIN?
>> WELL HE’S A DIFFERENT PERSON
I’LL TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I GOT A INNING LOWER CLASS WITH
HIM AND LOOK, I GOT ALONG WITH
HIM LOVING THIS COUNTRY AND HE
LOVES HIS COUNTRY, OKAY?
BUT HE’S A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN
HE WAS.
HE SEEMS TO BE DIFFERENT.
STUART: IS HE SOLID MENTALLY?
>> JUST DOESN’T SEEM TO BE THE
SAME PERSON I WAS DEALING
WITH.
WE HAD A DECENT RELATIONSHIP.
IT WAS VERY HARD BECAUSE OF THE
RUSSIA HOAX, YOU KNOW, AND I
TOLD HIM, I SAID YOU KNOW, IT’S
VERY HARD FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING
FOR RUSSIA AND FOR YOU TO DO
ANYTHING BECAUSE THESE HORRIBLE,
HORRIBLE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, PERPETRATING THIS HOAX,
THE RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA
COLLUSION NONSENSE, MILLIONS OF
PHONE CALLS I NEVER MADE ONE TO
RUSSIA.
THINK OF IT.
MILLIONS OF CALLS, THAT WENT
THROUGH THE PHONE RECORDS,
MILLIONS OF CALLS NOT ONE CALL
TO RUSSIA, WHO WAS A TOTAL HOAX,
ITS COME OUT AND THE DURHAM
REPORT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
MORE AND MORE OF IT.
STUART: OKAY.
>> I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING
MORE OF IT BUT I WILL SAY THIS.
WE DID WELL WITH RUSSIA.
THEY DIDN’T ATTACK ANY COUNTRIES
UNDER US.
I’M THE ONLY ONE WHERE THAT
DIDN’T HAPPEN, AND WITH BUSH,
THEY TOOK GEORGIA, AND THEY TOOK
CRIMEA WITH BIDEN AND OBAMA AND
NOW, HE SAID THE HELL WITH THEM.
LET’S TAKE THE WHOLE THING, BUT
EVEN SLEEPY EYES CHUCK TODD ON
NBC SAID THE OTHER DAY WHEN HE
WAS INTERVIEWING I THINK IT WAS
BLINKEN, HE SAID HOW COME THIS
NEVER HAPPENED UNDER TRUMP?
CHINA DIDN’T DO ANYTHING.
RUSSIA DIDN’T DO, NOBODY DID
ANYTHING, AND IN FACT WE GOT
ALONG WITH NORTH KOREA.
YOU KNOW, HOW COME NONE OF THIS
STUFF HAPPENED UNDER TRUMP