check-in professor stephen zunis
media professor politics in international studies at the university
of san francisco recharge the program in middle eastern studies
professor welcome back to the program
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i don't know if you've seen this or not
at their leader bright part of our news website is now
he's gone from being a birth or to adapter
there's this new
group of republicans were claiming he didn't really happen
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really didn't president obama just
by taking out the law and it needs a state basically say he world sorry to be
so long to get my long-form pursuing it as busy telling us some of them on
periodic linda
alan we obviously if he had not been uh... i got very quickly according to a
man from their tradition that wouldn't complain
situation further
and uh... though i i have been problem for the triumphalism and uh... i got
celebration when people are having
looking time i think uh...
hamlet perhaps this world who could have happened in them another word that was
an anonymous
grown-up directed by from body in a control room falcons mild way unit
killed a firefight there apparently didn't conclude cooperation from
pakistani authorities so it would not
unilateral american move
uh... it was done
in a timely manner civilians killed so
anyway that done about as well to be expects mary missile has a passes filed
a lawsuit
came at
our soldiers with automatic weapon
firing on their work with
that they use has said many times you would not be taken alive
what's you know you're you chair the program and middle eastern studies
what is at the university san francisco
what is your take on
in how this is going to affect our relationship with the middle east what
this is this is going to mean for the future of our so-called wars in
afghanistan iraq and for that matter our actions in pakistan and and how it might
affect islam in general to have
you know that the jury fall all the movement essentially die
hutton
hoping that you could call it them problem for them a
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you know apart to avoid imminent leadership thomas preschool so that i
had having someone who i am
the there's a lot of however haven't ordered a sinner who could be a
leadership warda could be it
profession struggling and i kind of thing
which we can have somewhat but the problem is
that in part thanks to the u_s_ invasion of iraq the the movement have grown
tremendously and defense lawyers quite a bit so it's no longer
dependable i've met at the top and
anti-dumping a really have that that huge impact
what far more significant makino tired i think is what we've been speaking in the
past few months uh... throughout the middle east uh... that people are
recognizing that the way to change is not the cult-like extremism everything
dividing up terrorism and at the park elliptic vision the democratic bill will
provide a movement engaging in treating all of our actions that really sucks you
need to bring about change overthrow that u_s_ tactics dictators
uses
and more to come apparently
and yet anya today in egypt each apparently the military is starting to
say
you know if you like it the way things are
or or am i getting that wrong
in in hewitt are not the debt democratic movements in the middle east
and that most recent report that i read out of egypt is that this issue people
are once again
starting to get upset because the military which basically runs the
country knows a lot of the industry
it has
rather than
making radical reforms of the country's kind of stepped in warm mubarak used to
be in said you know ok
were running the show now
uh... is that is that the case here is that i don't doctor i don't know it
military referring to
hold on alone
hold on to power zone as much as possible but the fact is that we finally
have the vibrant filter fighting movement and not taking the flying down
here
seeing more protests she's been immobilization of oem
above
labor pro-democracy movement coming
you've got to be uh... computer for one that back continuing struggle that's
going to be a nonviolent struggle
and there's been a trio of
uh...
a real shepherding the data to the dead and at the end
the kind of that that the uh... middle east and west road the dictators as well
as what brad like a column in leiden its own people felt up our lift and hopeless
neg that's what you'd like that where they can break the times of extreme
ideology is when people have hope for change even if it's going to be an
appropriate rackets trouble
they were left like what what's likely to to uh... take on that kind of course
is just a little girls
road provides
consumers at the university center cisco the chair of the program in middle
eastern studies
uh... and and and and and curious what you think the
this is going to do over the long term
or casino on in
general i mean with either haha business-like same you know what's going
to first christianity their scientific sex always it always way out kind of
cold
uh... remove people consider the prosecutor see whatever
well i guess i was next class all day long
yeah i don't know that they are strong none
that are prohibition began filling in the only and that kind of thing
about but you know the bloody clothing uh... a careful manipulator taking
legitimate grievances of the people like that from the presence of u_s_ troops
natural impacting this intervention in iraq
portrait israeli occupation
backing up the the arabic caters
you know that uh...
uh... it for them
that expect these grievances still remain
really and truly we start to reliably some of these uh... party there aren't
always going to be found element who might subscribe to those too
take the opposition to the picturing forms
say to those people who suggests
residents and killing us on the lawn
that we should have gone to great lengths to take him alive because of the
intelligence eighteen represent ideally are very clear whatever within
preferable
uh...
if they would have been even better if you'd been tried in the hagerstown
international reform hit and thorough razor
forum was unfair
but that we're going to happen at work where there are apparently baird garden
who were the only thing happen correct that he will
lurking in those it and you know i i wanted you know that gently pretty
skeptical of them
military in paramilitary action too much absolutely necessary thinkin
and and uh... in that case it was uh... erode understandable that wire capturing
to get the kept him alive was uh... was problematic
right
say the death errors like inner bright bart who while they have no curiosity
about what saturn duncan's hair
they want they don't believe that uh... something on section of debt
i mean i think they're going to be a m martin weir that much of the birth of
her
nice and reigned
uh... you know that the the new creation
as in america and and and very quickly thoughts on how this might impact on
american politics
hero hero bomb under your brief reboot
in the polls less ultimately i think there has been annexes elections learns
to sermons lies is false
inspectors in iraq professor stephen soonest
his website stephen hess d_p_ h_ e_ n_ c_ u_n_ yes dot org wrote hand of the
interior of the program and middle eastern studies univeristy seven cisco
thank you sir for being with us today