MARIA: WELCOME BACK.
THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CALLING ON THE FEDERAL
COMMITTEE CALLING ON THE FEDERAL
TRADE COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE
TIKTOK’S DATA PRACTICES.
JOINING ME NOW THE CEO OF
GETTER, JASON MILLER.
IT’S GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THE
THREAT AND THE ISSUES AROUND
TIKTOK.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION REALLY POINTED
OUT, THE FACT THAT ALL THESE
UNWITTING KIDS HAVE ALL OF THEIR
INFORMATION IN TIKTOK AND, SURE,
IT LOOKS FUN BUT THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY HAS ACCESS TO
THAT INFORMATION, APPARENTLY.
>> EXACTLY.
MARIA: WHAT’S THE THREAT?
>> THE REAL CONCERN HERE, WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT CONSUMER
INFORMATION, IT’S NOT THE E-MAIL
ADDRESS, IT’S NOT A CREDIT CARD.
ASSUME THAT THE CCP ALREADY HAS
THAT.
IT’S THE ANALYSIS OF OUR KIDS
AND SO ANY KID WHO HAS A TIKTOK
ACCOUNT OR YOUNG ADULT, THE CCP,
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY WILL
KNOW OUR TEENAGERS AND OUR YOUNG
PEOPLE BETTER THAN WE WILL.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CONFLICT
COMING BETWEEN US AND CHINA, IT
WON’T BE NECESSARILY A KINETIC
CONFLICT, IT WILL BE A CYBER ONE
AND A THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE THE
UPPER HAND.
MARIA: YEAH.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS WHAT DO
THEY DO WITH THIS INFORMATION,
RIGHT, JASON?
I’VE SPOKEN WITH SO MANY EXPERTS
WHO STUDIED CHINA FOR SO LONG,
THEY FEEL THAT THERE IS A
POTENTIAL FOR BLACKMAIL, LATER
ON.
YOU’VE GOT ALL THIS DATA ON
KIDS.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’RE
DOING.
LATER ON, IF ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE
BECOME IN A POSITION, GET TO A
POSITION WHERE THE CCP WANTS TO
TAKE THEM DOWN, THEY CAN USE THE
INFORMATION AGAINST THEM.
>> WELL, YOU’RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND THINK OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.
SAY THEY’RE MAYBE 17, 18, MAYBE
EARLY 20s.
TEN OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW IF THEY
THEMSELVES RISE TO ELECTED
OFFICE, THE CHINESE WILL KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PREDICTIVE
BEHAVIORS ARE GOING TO BE
BECAUSE THAT’S HOW THEY BUILD A
ANILAN ALGORITHM FOR TIKTOK SO I
A REAL CONCERN CAN.
BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT THE FACT
THAT THEY CAN MANIPULATE PUBLIC
OPINION, THE WAY THEY CAN
POTENTIALLY, THE ASPECT IS THERE
FOR MAN MANIPULATING ELECTIONS I
THE FUTURE.
THANK GOODNESS FOR BEN BRENDON K
AND MARCO RUBIO FOR LEADING THE
FIGHT.
BRENDAN KARR SENT A LETTER TO
GOOGLE AND APPLE SAYING TAKE
TIKTOK OFF YOUR APP STORES.
I THINK HE’S EXACTLY RIGHT.
MARIA: THE OTHER THING WE HEARD
THIS WEEK WAS FROM CHRISTOPHER
WRAY, A MASSIVE THREAT THAT IS
THE CCP.
ACCORDING TO THE FBI.
NOTHING THAT SURPRISED US.
WE KNEW ABOUT THIS BUT THE OTHER
THING THAT HE SAID YESTERDAY WAS
THAT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY
IS STEPPING UP ITS ACTIVITIES IN
AFFECTING U.S. ELECTIONS.
AND I KNOW THEY DO THAT THROUGH
SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CCP IS
FOLLOWING OUR INTERNAL HE
DEBATES AND THEY -- DEBATES AND
THEY PILE ON, ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
SOME OF THESE ACCOUNTS ARE
ROBOTS BUT SOME OF THEM ARE
COMING FROM THE CCP TO JUST
CREATE HAVOC AND CREATE UPSET.
WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN FROM A SOCIAL
MEDIA STANDPOINT?
I MEAN, GETTER RECENTLY
CELEBRATED YOUR FIRST
ANNIVERSARY.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
CONGRATULATION, YOU UNVEILED A
DIRECT MESSAGING FEATURE.
I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
FIRST, TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS
FROM A SOCIAL MEDIA PERSPECTIVE
HOW THE CCP USES THAT.
>> WELL, WE FOR SURE LIKE ALL
SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES HAVE BEEN
UNDER ATTACK BY THE CCP, THEY’RE
A CONTINUAL BAD ACTOR.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE VERY STRONG
ANTI-BOT PREVENTION MEASURES IN
PLACE AND MAKE SURE SECURITY IS
AS THE FOREP FRONT.
HERE’S THE THING WITH THE CCP.
NOT ONLY ARE THEY GOING AFTER
SOCIAL MEDIA.
EVERY AMERICAN COMPANY, EVERY
MAJOR AMERICAN COMPANY DOING
BUSINESS IN CHINA HAS TO PER M P
THEIR SURVEILLANCE ACTIVITY, HAS
TO KOWTOW TO THE CCP.
IT’S THE WAY THEY CAN MANIPULATE
AMERICAN COMPANIES TO CHANGE
POLICY HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES.
THAT’S THE DEVIOUSNESS, THAT’S
EVERYTHING THAT THEY’RE DOING.
THEY HAVE US ABSOLUTELY BY THE
THROAT ON THIS AND SO MANY
AMERICAN COMPANIES DO ANYTHING
THEY WANT.
MARIA: YEAH.
AGAIN, NO LEADERSHIP FROM THE
WHITE HOUSE ON THIS ISSUE.
JASON, REAL QUICK ON YOUR DIRECT
MESSAGING FEATURE, YOU P UNVEILE
THAT AS A ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
>> WE LAUNCHED GETTER A YEAR
AGO.
WE’RE UP TO 6 MILLION USERS
AROUND THE GLOBE, A HALF IN THE
U.S., HALF INTERNATIONALLY.
WE HAVE A LIVE STREAMING
FEATURE, A SHORT VIDEO
COMPETITOR AND WITH DMs WE’RE
SHOWING PEOPLE YOU CAN DECLARE
INDEPENDENCE FROM BIG TECH OR
FROM ENTITIES SENDING DATA
CHINA.
WE’RE PRETTY EXCITED.
MARIA: VERY GOOD NEWS.
JASON, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU.
WE’LL BE WATCHING AS THE SOCIAL