WHY WOULD A MAN WHO IS $10 MILLION IN DEBT TAKE A JOB WHERE
HE DOESN’T GET PAID.
WREERD, RIGHT?
WREERD, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THE
NOW JAILED PAUL MANAFORT DID
WHEN HE TOOK A JOB RUNNING
DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN IN 2016.
IT APPEARS HE SAW THE JOB AS A
FINANCIAL OPPORTUNITY DESPITE NO
SALARY.
SALARY. HE SENT AN E-MAIL ASKING HOW DO
WE USE TO GET WHOLE MEANING HOW
DO WE USE MY NEW JOB TO GET
WHOLE.
WHOLE. HE SENT THAT E-MAIL TO
KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK WHO WORKED
FOR MANAFORT IN UKRAINE.
HE HAS SINCE BEEN INDICTED BY
MUELLER AND FLED TO RUSSIA.
THE PERSON THEY’RE APPARENTLY
TRYING TO GET WHOLE WITH WAS
THIS GUY, RUSSIAN OLIGARCH OLEG
DERIPASKA, ONE OF RUSSIA’S
RICHEST MAN WITH CLOSE TIES TO
THE KREMLIN.
THE KREMLIN. YESTERDAY A NEWLY UNSEALED
FILING REVEALED THAT DERIPASKA
HAD LOANED 10 MILLION BUCKS TO A
MANAFORT BUSINESS.
MANAFORT BUSINESS. $10 MILLION.
$10 MILLION. WHICH HE PRESUMABLY WANTED BACK.
SO JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR,
THE GUY WHO WAS RUNNING DONALD
TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN DURING THE
SUMMER WHEN HE WAS RUNNING IT
FOR FREE AND THE RUSSIANS WERE
SAB TANGING THE ELECTION ALSO
JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN DEBT $10
MILLION TO RUSSIAN OLIGARCH WITH
CLOSE TIES TO PUTIN AT THE VERY
SAME TIME THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
AND HIS GOVERNMENT WERE WORKING
TO GET TRUMP ELECTED PRESIDENT.
FOR THE LATEST ON THE
INVESTIGATION, CONTRIBUTOR
INVESTIGATION, CONTRIBUTOR NATASHA BERTRAND COVERING
NATIONAL SECURITY AND RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION AND MICHAEL
ISIKOFF, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE
CORRESPONDENT AT YAHOO NEWS,
CO-AUTHOR OF RUSSIAN ROULETTE".
MICHAEL, IT WAS ALWAYS UNCLEAR
THE MADE WHOLE WAS AMBIGUOUS IN
TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
BECAUSE THE GUY OWES YOU MONEY
OR BECAUSE YOU OWE HIM MONEY.
THIS SEEMS TO RESOLVE THAT
DEFINITIVELY.
DEFINITIVELY. >> THERE WERE MULTIPLE FINANCIAL
TIES BETWEEN MANAFORT AND
DERIPASKA.
DERIPASKA. THIS NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE
$10 MILLION LOAN COMES ON TOP OF
OTHER REPORTING WHICH GOES BACK
TO THAT I DID DURING THE 2016
CAMPAIGN ABOUT HOW MANAFORT AND
H GOTTEN INTO A DISPUTE WITH
DERIPASKA OVER A $19 MILLION
CABLE DEAL IN UKRAINE, DERIPASKA
THOUGHT MANAFORT HAD RIPPED HIM
OFF THE MONEY HAD HE PUT UP FOR
THE VENTURE HAD GONE MISSING.
BUT WHAT’S REALLY SIGNIFICANT
HERE AND WHY THIS IS SO
IMPORTANT TO THE LARGER MUELLER
INVESTIGATION IS YOU SAID THAT
DERIPASKA HAS CLOSE TIES TO THE
KREMLIN.
KREMLIN. WE SHOULD FLESH THAT OUT A
LITTLE BIT.
LITTLE BIT. DERIPASKA WAS DESCRIBED IN
WIKILEAKS CABLES WRITTEN BY U.S.
AMBASSADOR A FEW YEARS AGO AS
ONE OF THE TWO OR THREE
OLIGARCHS CLOSEST TO PUTIN.
IN RUSSIAN ROULETTE," WE REPORT
HOW WHEN HILLARY CLINTON WAS
SECRETARY OF STATE IN HER
MEETINGS WITH SERGEI LAB ROVE,
THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER, HE
WOULD REPEATEDLY BRING UP THE
QUESTION OF DERIPASKA BECAUSE
DERIPASKA COULDN’T GET A U.S.
VISA BECAUSE THE FBI HAD
CONCERNS ABOUT HIS TIES TO
ORGANIZED CRIME.
ORGANIZED CRIME. THOSE, THE CONCERNS THAT THE FBI
HAD HAVE BEEN MORE RECENTLY
FLESHED OUT WHEN DERIPASKA A
COUPLE MONTHS AGO WAS SANCTIONED
BY THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT IN
WHICH THEY DESCRIBED THE
INTELLIGENCE THEY HAD ON
DERIPASKA, HIS INVOLVEMENT IN
EXTORTION RACKETEERING, BRIBERY,
THE MURDER OF A BUSINESS, MURDER
OF A BUSINESSMAN IN A DISPUTE
AND THESE ORGANIZED CRIME TIES.
SO HERE YOU HAD AN OLIGARCH WITH
THESE ORGANIZED CRIME TIES WHO
IS SO TIED IN WITH THE KREMLIN
THAT THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN
MINISTER IS PRESSING THE U.S.
SECRETARY OF STATE TO GIVE HIM A
VISA AND THE CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN
FOR TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS IN WHO
CAN TO THIS GUY WHO IS PRESSING
HIM FOR THE MONEY THAT HE OWES
HIM AND THEN MANAFORT’S RESPONSE
IS, WE’LL GIVE HIM PRIVATE
BRIEFINGS ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON
INSIDE THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, THIS IS A GUY
HE WAKES UP OWING THIS GUY $10
MILLION.
MILLION. HE GETS ON THE CAMPAIGN, THE
FIRST THING HE’S LIKE HOW CAN I
USE THIS POSITION, I’VE GOT THIS
AND IT’S FING GOLDEN.
I’M CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR TRUMP.
ANOTHER PERSON WHO SEEMS TO BE
IN A TOUGH SPOT IS ROGER STONE.
WE KNOW HE’S NOT BEEN KAK BID
MUELLER DIRECTLY FOR AN
INTERVIEW AND TODAY AN EX-AIDE,
ANOTHER ONE SUBPOENAED TO APPEAR
BEFORE RUSSIAN GRAND JURY AND TO
HAND OVER DOCUMENTS.
WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHERE
STONE IS IN TERMS OF MUELLER’S
SIGHTS?
SIGHTS? >> IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE HAS
BEEN SBOBED BY MUELLER EXCEPT
FOR ROGER STONE.
THAT SHOULD BE EXTREMELY
WORRISOME TO ROGER STONE BECAUSE
IT SHOWS HE’S KIND OF TRYING TO
GET TO THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO HIM
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ROGER STONE
KNEW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED DURING
THE ELECTION BEFORE THEY GET TO
MAYBE SUBPOENAING ROGER STONE
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. I THINK THAT ROGER STONE IS THE
KEY TO POSSIBLY THE KEY TO
UNDERSTANDING WHO WAS BEHIND THE
PODESTA HACK AND WHETHER OR NOT
THE CAMPAIGN COORDINATES IT IN
ANY WAY WITH WIKILEAKS.
THE SAME GOES FOR IF YOU HAVE
THAT KEY, THE SAME GOES
POTENTIALLY FOR WHO KNEW IN THE
CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE DNC HACK.
IT’S ALL KIND OF THE SAME ACTOR
WHO’S HACKED PODESTA’S E-MAILS
AND THE DNC.
IF YOU HAVE ROGER STONE AND
ANSWER WHETHER HE WAS
COMMUNICATING WITH JULIAN
ASSANGE AND WIKILEAKS THROUGHOUT
THE CAMPAIGN, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A
CLUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE
WAS AN INTERMEDIARY WHO WAS
FEEDING WIKILEAKS THIS STOLEN
INFORMATION THAT THE RUSSIANS
STOLE FROM THE DNC AND YAWN
PODESTA AND GAVE TO THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. >> MICHAEL, DO YOU ANTICIPATE, A
TRIAL OF MANAFORT UNLESS
SOMETHING CHANGES.
SOMETHING CHANGES. >> THIS SILVER.
>> YOU’VE BEEN REPORTING THIS
FOR A WHILE NOW.
LEARNING NEW THINGS IN THAT
TRIAL.
TRIAL. IT’S GOING TO BE QUITE A
SPECTACLE I IMAGINE.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. LOOK, IT IS QUITE COMMON FOR
PROSECUTORS TO HOLD SOME OF
THEIR BEST STUFF BACK.
AND ONE CAN EXPECT IF THIS TRIAL
DOES COME IN JULY WHEN IT’S
SCHEDULED FOR, THAT WE’RE GOING
TO BE LEARNING A WHOLE LOT MORE
ABOUT JUST HOW MUCH THEY KNOW
ABOUT MANAFORT AND THESE TIES.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SO
MUCH THAT COULD WE’LL BE COMING
TO A HEAD THIS SUMMER.
THE WIDE EXPECTATION HERE IS
THAT MUELLER IS LIKELY TO DO
SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
MONTHS.
MONTHS. HE CAN’T WAIT UNTIL AFTER LABOR
DAY.
DAY. HE CAN’T DO SOMETHING DURING THE
ELECTION.
ELECTION. LEST HE BE CRITICIZES FOR DOING
THE SAME THING JIM COMEY DID
DURING THE 2016 CAMPAIGN.
WE MAY WELL BE COMING TO A VERY
CRITICAL JUNCTURE AND IT’S YOU
KNOW, IRONIC OR YOU KNOW, PRETTY
SIGNIFICANT THAT THIS IS COMING
AT THE SAME TIME THAT THERE’S
GOING TO BE THOSE PREMIUM COURT
HEARINGS ABOUT THE NEXT SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE.
COURT JUSTICE. >> NATASHA, DOES THAT SCAN WITH
WHAT YOUR REPORTING INDICATES,
AS WELL?
AS WELL? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT THE
COLLUSION ASPECT OF THIS
INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO WRAP
UP BY THE FALL.
IT’S POSSIBLE THERE’S GOING TO
BE A MAJOR INDICTMENT PERHAPS
THAT RELATED TO COLLUSION THAT
DOES COME OUT BEFORE THE
MIDTERMS AND IN THAT WAY, WE
HAVE KIND OF A CONCLUSION TO THE
COLLUSION PART OF THE
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BUT THAT DOESN’T NECESSARILY
MEAN IT’S GOING TO WRAP UP.
THERE’S SO MUCH WE STILL DON’T
KNOW.
KNOW. WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY THREE
DIFFERENT PEOPLE APPROACHED THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN BEFORE THOR?
OF 2016 OFFERING THEM DIRT ON
HILLARY CLINTON.
HILLARY CLINTON. OFFERING E-MAILS.
OFFERING E-MAILS. WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
THIS SHADOWY PROFESSOR.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT CARTER PAGE
WAS DOING IN MOSCOW WHETHER HE
DID MAKE A DEAL WITH ROSNEFT.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT
MUELLER IS LOOKING INTO NOW AND
WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY GET
AN ANSWER TO ALL OF THOSE
QUESTIONS IN THE NEXT FOUR