This is Lauren, and this is Julio.
You led them to believe that you had a baby.
You heard her describe what it did to you two
when it turned out that this was a lie.
Does she get it?
I think she gets it, but I don't think.
I'm in the same boat you are, I can't have children,
and to know that somebody's scamming me
and I can't have children, has the same issues that I have.
This is important to me and adoption is important to me
and I want a child so you basically hurt me
because I have the same issue you have
and that just isn't good.
So in a sense there should be a kinship
between you two because you're both
in the same situation that you can't have children.
So it seems odd that you would victimize her
when she's in the same situation you're in.
When you think about it from that point of view
that seems strange, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Did you just not think about it that way?
Not at the time, no.
Towards the end, when it started to be found out,
when you couldn't produce the baby
and they started to question you, you got really hostile
at times and would yell and scream,
or call names or say ugly things to them.
Why do you think you felt that way?
I don't know, but I'm done.
Sweetie, let him talk to you.
Can you open these doors?
You don't think it's helping,
you don't think it's helping?
Just let me talk to you.
The lady with her, by the way,
is one of our producers, Maryann,
who she's felt very comfortable with
and she asked if she could come out here with her
and I said of course, if that makes you feel better.
Whatever would make her feel comfortable.
She may come back, she many not,
but what's y'alls reaction to her,
seeing her and hearing the little bit
that you did from her?
She needs help, it's obvious,
and if nothing else I just want her
to be able to work through this.
Whatever she's going through,
it never hurts to ask for help.
And there are people out there willing to help you.
I think that's making me upset.
There's so many resources that she can tap into,
and nothing and she's just taking
it out on couples like us, too many people.
Too many people have been hurt by this.
What's your reaction to her?
So I have a huge heart for mental health
and special needs and it breaks my heart
that she's in this invisible prison
and if she would have told me,
I would have talked, and talked, and talked
because I used to do that.
That used to be my unit.
I used to work on a mental health unit
and I volunteer for special needs
so I would have been the perfect person
to get her out of her shell and I knew none of this.
Every time I figured out a little bit
about her she attacked me.
I feel bad for her, and it sucked to get manipulated,
but we're stronger because of it,
but I don't want her to feel like she's
in prison in her own mind, that's just sad.
Do you see why I explained it the way I did?
Because I think to vent anger at her,
although at one level she certainly has earned that,
and deserves that, clinically that's just not something
I can support, it's just unsound.
So that's why I had to kinda set the stage.
I mean, do y'all get what I'm saying here?
As despicable as her behavior is,
you have to look at where it comes from.