now you really integrated with some of the inmates did you expect that to happen i wanted to
really live this i wanted to know what an entire class of people that i've never interacted with
were like what was your intention your goal in going into the program i planned on becoming a
detective at some point you have to be a police officer first and i couldn't just send someone
to jail for for terrible laws knowing you know i could just be ruining this person's life over uh
possession of you know a blunt or something like that do you still want to be a police officer no i
do not and that's as a result of your time in jail um absolutely i don't feel right in forcing broken
laws i just feel like i could handle much much larger issues like trying to reform the law rather
than enforcing it gentlemen what do you make of that some of the things he said and no offense
ryan you know like doing large gel bits for blunt doesn't occur in indiana they might have told you
that and i understand he spent a lot of time with these people so he only gets to hear the story
that they tell now you went against the advice that you were given in training about selling
commissary items tell me about the the tray store that you created i mostly did even treats
so i would give something for something immediately i didn't really get involved in
future markets or owing people all i ever did was just go up in the world sheriff you're not happy
no i'm pretty disappointed because we gave him specific instructions not to do that and i know he
sits over an easy now because nothing happened to him to say there was no risk but there was i only
dealt with people that i knew were smart business good business people that trusted me and that i
trusted people i was good with that was really all it was there was an inmate named justin who
had some debts to pay and you helped him out with your business y'all got seven bucks though give me
one charge a day that's what it takes i don't want to see somebody just being preyed on like that
so i went and grabbed everything that i had and basically got him completely out of debt
dion what do you make of ryan's business that's a lot of people like justin and jail
huh it's a lot of risks and people just stick to you know eating three trays a day like
you're still gonna be hungry of course but it's better than owning somebody a noodle or something
cap maples you had to actually intervene and remove ryan from the pod and talk to him
you got to keep in mind you're still in here on a program but i do still have an honor code
i have to keep some people close while i am here getting a little bit too
m80 we wanted to just make sure the end goal was the same you know we need perspective of this jail
you know we don't need you to become an inmate sheriff how did ryan help you as a participant
in the program unfortunately he showed me a lot of what not to do so today's lunch trick
i know everything else today's already been gotten and friday's he actually blended right
into the inmate hierarchy and did stuff that they were doing that he wasn't supposed to do
i think it was misconstrued that i was just trying to you know be
in matey and that may have technically been the case but it wasn't really the uh the goal
i was weak in that environment i was someone that they felt comfortable messing with i
don't have to get his ass tonight do you think that your actions led to you becoming a target
it's not that there was anything specific that i did but it was more what i didn't
do where you come from it was how i carried myself it was how i responded where was you at the um
when i went in i was not thinking like an inmate and that's what exposed me
to the pod that harassment ryan you just realized who he was from watching the video
yeah the lack of beard well groomed and you know no glasses kind of threw me off but i
definitely remember that really that was just recreation this is game time
we were bored ryan you used the word we we we you were talking about you and the rest of the inmates
yeah were you part of it uh i wasn't part of it i understood it um after i blended and got in
with everybody i could understand why they were doing it everybody was just bored sheriff you
you don't seem to be buying that i'm not amused by it i'll tell you that it's disturbing to me
i think that's how bully starts until it starts in the schools that's how it starts in the pod
it's not fun i didn't think it was cute it's one thing to joke this is beyond that joking or not
there's gonna be criminal charges placed on the inmates that were involved in some of this stuff
unfortunately sometimes even people that we put in an undercover capacity assimilate and start acting
like inmates um just for the record i had a job to do and i had to adapt to that i tried to do it as
well as i could i i said this before i wasn't trying to pass this i was trying to ace this
i didn't want to just go in and survive i wanted to thrive and i felt like i did that
you