john backers with us his communications director for truth wins out the website
is truth wins out dot organized great to see you john we recently heard from alan
chambers that he is now apologizing for decades of saying people can simply
quit being gay a kind of an obvious thing that we've been following for a
while or you surprises even saying listen i also read on your website that
wayne bath and things
this may just kind of the
uh... hijinks ernie's he's saying
uh... that that is more of a b havier verses inborn thing and and and what
he's saying is you can change the
instincts but you can control behavior so is this really different
yeah i i i am
i had the same skeptical reaction and when did when i write down town chambers
remarks uh... it's it seems to me that's you know he could be sri hussein all
numbers they've all of us are working on and that's society's coming so far along
in its acceptance of djibouti people that
it just you know they resist they cannot win audience anymore for the for the
pray way to get a off mix so i think it's just a few you know i i
street in changing its color verses a_d_r_ an actual heartfelt repentance
and helen chambers part that's just that's my take on the thing i don't get
is he still maintaining he used to be gay and is no longer a gay rights so i
just don't understand a busy saying
with him in particular through but when he says other people have done it it's
not i'd just don't get it
your guests this morning because that's not but i have sold
so which is it that you know how is it isn't possible for you to change from
gay to straight no one else nl contributed to ccs partly contradictory
you know but i guess that's pretty are for the course as as you know from
but the analogy embers past history yes really
he has a really do well without actual consistency cell no-no and there are
there of course continuing to refuse to have them on our show we found a number
of interview request i just have simple questions for the guy that i'm sure he's
been a half before i i i don't know why is that he's avoiding the show
you know you had this incredible investigation in the markets bachmann
uh... anti gay clinic
what do you think it will take to get
ex-gay therapy could be considered malpractice or simply
doing harm to patients and are a lot of these clinics hiding behind saying
well we're not even really saying relations medical clinic therefore we're
not even subject
to those regulations are is a kind of a
uh... wishy washy is that how they're hiding behind it
yeah i think that's that's a big part of it i think also hot
they're they're using the religious freedom angle as as an excuse for what
he said i don't
ten brings out the site you know scientific tentatively bankrupt ideas
you know they're they're hiding behind the religious freedom angle we see this
uh...
over the entire you know entire anti-gay religious right they're they're doing
that stomped innovative u_s_ catholic bishops are doing that to oppose stock
you know inspiration rules in terms of adoption they say no it's religious for
and and we are also seemed that from the ex-gay lobby in the people who are still
piling if the court of course there please that's
tidbits off they are also justifying it on bridges freedom brownsville accuse an
assistant is just a smokescreen yeh maybe the next thing with here's what i
meant is uh... it's unlikely people can quit being gay
by praying because most just are praying hard or long enough
gal or the right way pete
and i mean and that's really too bad they are in chambers so it has been
declining impurity requests i mean you know you've gotten you got brian fisher
a royal chambers feels like yesterday if rate of unless it's that he'll be he'll
be made to look foolish by his own no answers to your easy questions like
these that happen you know what's interesting about the whole acted thing
is that if it seems that the ex-gay movement is only within christianity
i've never heard of ex-gay muslim teachings or exp muslim experts that can
get
can get about fellow muslims not being gay
it's it's it's an interesting coincidence it seems to be focused among
christianity
yes it's the states are most strongly focus in christianity although they're
spares group of children which is jus offer new alternatives to homosexuality
so that there is there is a jewish ex-gay group as well
so you know it's it's not it's not exclusive to christianity is just that's
that's where most of these tension
has been focused because it's yeah it's it's mostly covered by the
fundamentalist v
all right john becker communications director for truth wins out from the
twins alec dot or is the website i think they're doing the interview on short
notice dot
excellent status for stocks you as always