In Islam, God doesn't require the blood of either an animal or a human being, innocent or otherwise,
in order for you to be forgiven and to attain salvation. All you require to do
is follow what God has told you to do; in other words, keep God's Commandments and follow His
example of His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and inshallah, you'll be saved.
Why are you talking about Christianity instead of Allah? Because you are a
Christian and you were just preaching your religion to these two gentlemen.
That's right, but should you not be preaching Muhammad and the love of God through Muhammad?
Yes, I will come to that. Why are there many religions?
The reason I was trying to show you... Why do Muslims have a fanatical interest in
Jesus? Fanatical interest? He's our Prophet! What are you on about?
But you're really angry at Christians for what we believe. Wait, when did you
see me saying I'm angry with you? You're here very, very deep into
this stuff of debating Christians. I come here on Sunday... You're meant to
show the love of God through being a Muslim. So you're telling me how I should actually give Dawah?
It is not up to you to tell me how I should conduct myself as a Muslim. God gives us children
to Guardian as a sign of love and guardianship. Yeah, but that's what I'm telling you. Where's
your love and where's your guardianship of mankind? In Christianity, there's no love, there's only
payment by blood. Because 'God so loved the world that He gave His one and only begotten Son.'
Exactly. And if you confess on that, you shall get saved. You see how... Very simple,
very loving. Human sacrifice is something that the pagans used to conduct. Right. In
the Old Testament, the priests were trying to get their sin out of their body into lambs,
and He said, 'I'll send you the Lamb of God.' So they were trying to live a really holy life and
couldn't. And who commanded them to sacrifice? But my question is, why do you... Answer the
question. Ty to undo what the Christians believe, instead of preaching what the Quran teaches? The
Quran and God Almighty do not require a sacrifice of a human in order for anyone to be saved.
Now wait, you ask a question. I want to go to heaven. Please take me. What have I got to
say or do? In order for you... In your belief? Yes, yes. In my belief, in order for you to
believe... Very simply, like when I say, 'Can I have a white coffee, please?' I want to know how to get
saved in the Muslim's belief of the Quran. Shall I give you... If you can explain that... Shall I
give a verse from the Quran? The reason I know you can't is because I'm saved and you're not.
Okay, now you have already made a judgement. It impossible for you to show me salvation
when I already have salvation through my confession on the blood of Jesus.
Okay, first and foremost, in Islam... So... You ask me a question.
Allow me to answer that. No problem. Okay, in Islam, God doesn't require the blood of
either an animal or a human being, innocent or otherwise, in order for you to be forgiven
and to attain salvation. All you require to do is follow what God has told you to do;
in other words, keep God's Commandments and follow His example of His Prophet Muhammad (peace
be upon him), and inshallah, you'll be saved. Now, this is what the Quran says. In Chapter
41:30, it says, "Indeed, those who have said, 'Our Lord is Allah,' and then remain on the right
course, the angels will descend upon them saying, 'Do not fear and do not grieve, but receive good
tidings of paradise which you were promised.'" Now you see, this is a promise of paradise and
the conditions. How to— I haven't finished yet; allow me to give me one more minute,
and I'll wrap it up. Give me one more minute, and I'll wrap it up.
So Allah has given us a promise of paradise, unlike the Christians. We have been given the
promise of paradise. If you have something similar in your Bible, please show us. But
I've given you Surah 41, verse 30. In that, there is no mention of any blood sacrifice,
either that of an animal. I said give me a minute. You give me 10 seconds. I asked you to give me a
minute... You are talking about the blood when you should be talking about how to save these— Did I not just— No, no,
no. But did I not give you the Quran verse? Let me just— I'm not talking about your religion. Well,
you are; you said in your religion, how do you get saved? I'm not disproving. He said that,
did he not, guys? What's your name? Hashim. Jeffrey. Jeffrey. Listen. What was your question,
by the way? These people... You remember your question?
need to know the way to heaven, okay? Right. By my religion... If they said: 'How do I get to...?" I'd say,
get on the Piccadilly line and go that way. Right, it's very simple, right? So I'm not here
debating Muhammad or your belief in your Quran at all. All I'm asking is how do these people
that are listening get saved? By what? How do they guarantee that they go to heaven?
I just told you. Did you not hear? But it's a hope. It's a hope?
Why did it say it was a hope? It's a promise. It's conditional. On what?
On you believing in the Oneness of God without associating any partners... Through the Quran?
Well, through the Quran and through the Hadith. So I can't believe in other gods?
Of course you can't. I have to believe in it. You have to believe in one God, the true God,
the God of Jesus, the God of Muhammad, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses.
What did Jesus say when he was on Earth? I have to be a Muslim? I have to— What do I have to do?
What do I have to wear? What do I have— You don't need to wear anything. This— What you believe in
your heart. I know people say I'm a good Muslim, I'm a bad Muslim. I don't— Are all Muslims saved then?
God has given you a condition, which I've read to you already. If you want to repeat
the verse because it looks like you didn't— Just doesn't sound like a very good contract.
Which part of the— Like, you know when you sign up for a mobile, they give you a good deal,
unlimited data, unlimited voice, unlimited this, and you get the latest iPhone 10, and it lasts
for 24 months, but you must pay this month. Exactly. That's the condition. The payment
is condition, yes. So how do we seal the deal in the contract?
Okay, I've read the verse to you. I'll repeat it again. You are disproving Christianity, and I'm asking
you to prove Allah. Okay, first and foremost, I'm not only disproving Christianity. Just
like— Don't waste your time disproving Jesus. Just teach people how to be saved. Can I answer...
Does that make sense? Can I answer the way— Can I answer the way I want?
Cause I love all these people and I don't want them to go to Hell.
And I hope that you can teach them how to get saved.
Okay, first and foremost, can I answer... Don't disprove Jesus.
I will answer the way I want. I will
answer the way Islam teaches... Do you love me? I love you. There's nothing wrong with you.
Yeah, yeah. I'm just— Do you love me? Of course, I love you. What's my name?
I can't remember. I've got— Well, I remember your name, Jeffrey. But— But yours is—
Say it again. Say it again. My name is Hashim.
So what I'm saying is that just like for you, those people who do not believe in Jesus Christ
as a savior, they will go to Hell, am I right? No, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Slow down. Slow
down a minute. Are you sure? Slow down. I'm not here to bash people with the Bible, and I'm not
here to disprove your Quran or disprove Jesus being your Prophet. I'm here to respect and love
you and honor you, guys. That wasn't my question. I'm giving you my experience. So my personal
experience was 25 years of drugs and crime led me to a prison cell where I was 31 stone,
about to die, and I was losing my mind in that prison cell, and I was going to hang
myself. Then what happened? And I said I didn't believe in— Because of all this,
I didn't believe in God, and I didn't believe in religion; it scared the
life out of me. In fact, you know what? It pushed me away because of all the
stuff that I see in here. So, on the chair, about to hang myself, I said the words,
and I— God only knows why I said it— 'Jesus, help me. I want to help people.' That's all I said,
and from that day, I haven't drunk, I haven't taken drugs. I've been led, kind of like I'm
being led today, to speak and share my truth. Okay. Because the truth sets people free also.
So, I'm not here to force my belief on anyone. I'm just simply saying to every ear here,
you can also call out secretly at home, 'Jesus, is this true? Father, is this true? Allah, is this
true?' Because there's deception here, there's too much to believe in; we're all confused. But,
'Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' That's my truth; that's all I have. I'm
not here to debate Bible scriptures and how many times it was altered, and there's 200 versions,
and then you got the Quran, and you got Muhammad; it's too much. I'm just telling you my truth.
Okay, good. That's the difference. I listened to you without interrupting, and I expect the
same courtesy from you. Is that okay, Jeffrey? Okay, you mentioned a few things in your, in the,
in what he just said now. You mentioned 'call on the name of Jesus,' and you also mentioned
'Allah.' Yes, and could it be any other God as well? Like say, Ganesh, the Hindu god?
I'm giving you my experience of what I said. That's fine. And what I got.
So, it's an anecdotal experience. But what I'm saying is that... My personal experience, yeah,
of course. But you see, why did you call upon Jesus in the cell? I don't know. But what I've learned now,
6 years after, is I've learned that the seed of faith that was given to me as a gift in the womb
was activated that day at my desperate hour. So, when you said the... So, if you're going to be
saved, you will be, and if you're not, you won't be because it's a gift that's given in the womb,
a seed of Faith. So all the ears that are here, my sheep hear my voice. So I believe there's people,
I'm not here talking to you; I'm here talking to the people that God wants to talk to. So when they
go away, they can also ask, 'Is this true what this man said? Because I want to be saved too.'
So you're saying from... I'm not here to debate with all your cameras; this is a lot bigger
than all your cameras; this is their Eternal Soul. If the cameras were not here... Muslims,
non-Muslims, Believers, Atheists, this is your Eternal Soul. You need to ask God yourself,
one to one, 'Is this true?' Because there is a guarantee of salvation by confessing on His Son...
Based on whom? There is a guarantee... By my experience. Right. So, your personal experience.
Have you ever been wrong in your life? Have I ever been wrong? Yes, many times.
So could that personal experience of yours be wrong?
Never. Why? Because of the transformation that happened. But the transformation can happen to
anyone in the world. I'm in Hyde Park... Let me ask... Speaking and trying to teach people;
they can also get that salvation that I got. There are many people who are Atheists who do
not know... The power of God... You see, I let you talk. The power of God comes through testimony...
Jeffrey, I let you talk; it's only fair you let... Experience... You give me some chance as well to
talk. You're never going to convince people. I didn't ask anyone to be convinced; it's up
to them; it's the freedom of choice. Just like you expect, just like you expect them to listen
to you... God knows you intimately from the womb. And He knows you too. He knows all of us.
Exactly. So let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. I'm not telling you to be
a Christian; I didn't ask you to be a Muslim. Okay? All I'm asking, just like you want people
to listen to you... What do Bibles and Qurans have to do with a prison cell in one word?
I expect you to listen to other people as well. 'Jesus helped me; I want to help people.' That's what I said.
Why are you not calling Ganesha? Why only Jesus? Because it came out. I don't know why it was
what was put inside, man. It was just what came out. What was put inside your drink?
No, what was put inside me from the womb. Okay, from the womb? Yeah, from the womb.
Are your parents Christian? No, they're not.
Okay, so your family is no one Christian in your family except you?
Yes. What are they, atheist?
I—I'm a Christian now. I'm a Believer and follower of Jesus. I follow the—I follow the
teachings of Jesus; that's fine. Through His Bible. Through His Bible? Through His Bible.
You read the Bible? Through Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. You read the Bible? I've read the Bible.
I read the Bible as food; as spiritual food. 'Man should not live on bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.' I need to read the Bible once
I'm born again and receive the Holy Spirit. I need to read the Bible as food, more than food.
Okay, and I need to read the Quran... Until Salvation comes in the Revelation, the Rapture.
Your spiritual food is the Bible, yes? So, my spiritual food is the Quran, and the Quran and the
Bible do not agree in many places. For example, in the Quran, we have the concept of forgiveness
without the shedding of any blood. Unfortunately, in the Bible, I don't know if you read this verse
in Hebrews, Chapter 9:22, it says there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood. So you
see, in Christianity, there is human sacrifice; in Islam, there is no human sacrifice to be saved.
But why are you picking to pieces the Bible instead of teaching these poor people how to be
saved? I'm just telling you that it's a way to be saved. It's wrong. Why is it wrong? Because Allah
is love. Yes, He is. That's why He doesn't require human sacrifice. Allah gave you life. Allah, or the Father, whichever
way you want to put it. He gave you life, and He gives you sons and children...
Is the Father love? Of course, He is love. Then why does He require a human sacrifice to be saved?
Because the priests were trying to cleanse themselves by living by the law of Moses,
and they failed miserably. They were killing lambs, and the only way they were trying to
get and pray their sins into the lambs. So He sent His son as the Lamb of God; He sent His
atoning sacrifice for all sin, once and for all. Why are you blaming the priest? And that's why,
he's been made as and seated right, the right hand of God, because of his sacrifice, because of his—
He— The poor man never done anything wrong. Exactly, why are you blaming him? He prayed
three times, 'Please take this cup from me, don't make me have to go through this for these guys.'
They're nuts! And still, his prayer got rejected; he still had to go. That's how much God loves the world.
By rejecting His own son's prayer? He turned His back on His son while he had to go to the Cross
to save me from Hell. How is that love? When the priests... Because it's love for me.
Jeffrey. When the priests who were sacrificing those lambs, they were commanded by the Father to
sacrifice those lambs. Because they were— Look, it's all played out; this is how he's playing
it out. So your job as a Muslim is to live a good life, to love people, to feed the sick,
to feed homeless people, and to teach people how to get to Heaven. And to call the people to the true God,
God of Jesus... Other religions... Yes, to call the people to the true God. You're
more obsessed with disproving other religions. My point is, my point is, why would Jesus prove
to the Pharisees? You wake up every day trying to disprove Jesus; this is wrong. This is not in—
It doesn't say this. Have you got a problem with listening? Because it looks like every time I open
my mouth, you— I'm not talking to you; I'm talking to these guys. No, but you are talking to me. No,
I'm talking to these guys. So what about your love? You said you love me earlier.
I love you. So, why don't you listen to me? I am talking to the ears that can hear me.
What about these ears who want to hear you? You are meant to teach them how to be saved.
Yes, without a human sacrifice. I keep repeating. But it looks like your ears are closed.
So, you hope you'll be saved. No, my hope is this. That the true God... So, his hope is... Don't put words in my mouth.
...You become a Muslim. Listen. Don't put words in my mouth. If you become a Muslim, hope you are saved.
Don't put words in my mouth. If you believe in Jesus... Can you please let me speak? Know you are saved.
Can you let me speak without... I am sorry, bro but I am gonna leave it there. Of course, you are gonna leave it there
because the thing is your love is a fake love. I love you. I don't believe in fake love.
I believe in the true love. Because if Jesus was
the one who was the true Prophet of God... But you can all ask him on your own. Why did Jesus
go about preaching to the people: 'Stay away from the false god?' Did he not preach that,
yes? So we want the true preaching of Jesus, of Muhammad, of all the prophets.
You see, all the prophets and all the messengers, they all advocated one thing. What is that?
To believe in the one true God, when Jesus was on Earth, you will see in John, Chapter 17, Verse 3,
he says: 'This is eternal life, that they may know you,' he's addressing the Father,
'that they may know you, the only true God.' He never claimed to be God. So anyone who says
on the day or on another day, 'Lord, Lord, save me in the name of Jesus,' what did Jesus say in
Matthew 7:22-23. That those who call me Lord, Lord and do not do the work of the Father, yes?
Do not believe in the Father, do not do the will of the Father—yes, on that day, even if they did
come and tell me, 'Did we not cast out demons in your name?' That means in the name of Jesus,
'Did we not cure or do miracles in the name of Jesus? Did we not do X, Y, and Z in the name of
Jesus?' On that day, Jesus will say, 'I do not know you; get away from me, you evildoers.'
Now, why would Jesus go through all this trouble to tell you not to follow the false god, not to
worship the false god if everything was in hunky dory, to believe in every single God in the world. No,
there are many false gods, and there are many false prophets, and there are many
false messengers. And Jesus has told us in the Bible how to recognize those false prophets,
the one who testifies upon or about me, yes, he's not to be the Antichrist. Did Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him, testify that Jesus was a true messenger and the true prophet and the
true Messiah? Yes, he did. That shows that we Muslims are on the right path. In fact,
the path that Jesus followed, Jesus says, 'I'm the way, the truth, and the life.' He never said,
'I am the destination.' If he is the way to the destination, then the people who followed him will
reach that destination. And the destination is who? The destination is the one true God,
whom Jesus worshipped, the one he prayed to, the one that he actually honoured and glorified during
his prayers. And to us, that is the one true God. And this is the God that the Jews have believed
in, that the Muslims believe in, and that the Christians believe in, the true Christians. But
many of them have actually gone away and started worshiping the very man who told them that,
'I am not good; there is only one good.' And who is that? That is God Almighty,
the Father. And this is what they used to call God Almighty at that time, that he, the Father, is the
only true God. Now, that terminology has changed when the Quran came. We do not believe that the
Father is something, a title given to God, because this is how the people, like the Christians, have
actually gone astray. They started to now worship the Son and the Father, both of them, claiming
that they are somehow one God. No, they are not. Jesus always claimed that there is only one true
God, and who that is, according to his own testimony in John 17:3, that is his God and
his Father, who is also the God and the Father of the Israelites at that time. And that can only
be the one true God, whom Jesus worshiped. Jesus cannot be God. So please do not fall for someone
who gives his own testimony by his own experiences in a prison cell or maybe on the street or maybe
somewhere else. Yes, people have got many good things to say, but that doesn't mean that that is
the way that God wants you to attain salvation. Salvation is always something which is not a
mystery. God has made this very clear either in the Old Testament, in the Psalms, in the Gospels,
and in the Quran. Everywhere, salvation is something very clear-cut, very easy to follow.
So, Jazakallah Khairan, with that, I think we end with that discussion. With that,
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh