DIFFERENT. BUT AGAIN, I STRESS, LET’S SEE
WHAT THE SUBSEQUENT KWACHLZWAVES
>> VIEWERS IN THE LAST SEGMENT
MAY HAVE HEARD BERNIE SURROGATE
CALL BLOOMBERG AN OLIGARCH TO
WHICH JASON TOOK EXCEPTION.
STATE SENATOR TURNER FROM OHIO
IS STILL LISTENING IN DES MOINES
BECAUSE SHE WANTED A MOMENT TO
RESPOND.
RESPOND. NINA?
NINA? >> SENATOR.
>> SENATOR. >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
IT’S IRONIC TO ME THAT SOMEBODY
WOULD DEFEND THE WEALTHIEST
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY OVER THE
WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE NEED REAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE
REFORM TO THE EXTENT THAT A
MAYOR BLOOMBERG CAN TOTALLY
FINANCE HIS CAMPAIGN.
HE DOESN’T HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. HE DOESN’T HAVE TO BUILD A
MOVEMENT.
MOVEMENT. HE DOESN’T HAVE TO TALK TO
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. HE CAN BUY HIS WAY.
IT IS THE SAME ATTITUDE THAT THE
ELITES, MAYBE JASON LIKES THE
WORD ELITE OVER OLIGARCH, BUT
IT’S THE SAME ATTITUDE THE
ELITES HAD IN 1930 OVER F.D.R.
ALL OF THEM LINED UP AGAINST
THEM.
THEM. HE SAID, I WELCOME YOUR HATRED
BECAUSE HE WAS STANDING UP FOR
THE PEOPLE.
THE PEOPLE. THAT IS THE SAME MESSAGE BERNIE
SANDERS HAS TO THE EVERYDAY
PEOPLE OF THIS NATION, THAT I
WELCOME THE HATRED OF THE ELITES
BECAUSE I AM STANDING UP FOR
YOU.
YOU. CALL ME A WHIFFER FOR THE
WEALTHY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> YOU WORK FOR A CANDIDATE OF
THE 1%.
THE 1%. I HAVE NO PROBLEM CRITICIZING
THE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS MIKE
BLOOMBERG TO MAKE THE MONEY HE
MAKES, BUY WHAT HE WANTS TO BUY,
BUY HIMSELF INTO THE DEBATES IS
A PROBLEM.
A PROBLEM. BUT TO CALL HIM AN OLIGARCH IS A
MISNOMER IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
YOU’RE WORKING FOR SOMEBODY
THAT’S PART OF THE 1%.
DO YOU CALL HIM AN OLIGARCH?
NO, YOU DON’T.
YOU SAY HE’S A RICH GUY.
>> HE JUST GOT THERE AT THIS
LATE AGE.
LATE AGE. >> IF YOU WANT TO USE THE TERM
SHALL -- USE WHATEVER TERM YOU
WANT TO USE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ENEMY
OF THIS COUNTRY, THE ENEMY OF
THE POOR IS NOT JUST EVERYONE
WHO HAPPENS TO BE RICH.
IT IS A CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM THAT
ABUSES PEOPLE.
ABUSES PEOPLE. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT,
THAT’S FINE.
THAT’S FINE. BUT IF YOU WANT TO NAME CALL
PEOPLE THAT’S NOT GOING TO HELP
BERNIE IF HE BECOMES THE
NOMINEE.
NOMINEE. >> WHO IS NAME CALLING?
I’M NOT NAME CALLING ANYBODY.
I’M A LAYING IT OUT THE WAY I
SEE IT.
SEE IT. >> THIS IS ALL I’M TALKING
ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> YOU’RE DEFENDING SOMEBODY
DEFYING HIS WAY THROUGH
DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY. YES, YOU ARE DEFENDING HIM.
>> THAT’S HOW YOU GUYS OPERATE.
WHEN IT COMES TO CAMPAIGNING IT
MAKES SENSE TO DESCRIBE PEOPLE
FOR THE POSITIONS THEY HAVE.
>> IS THIS ABOUT A WORD, JASON?
IS THIS ABOUT A WORD?
>> NO, IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT A
WORD, IT’S THE IMPLICATIONS OF
IT.
IT. IT’S WHEN CRITICIZING THE SYSTEM
VERSUS CRITICIZING INDIVIDUALS.
HE HAPPENS TO BE PART OF THE 1%.
I WOULD SAY HE’S SOMEBODY WHO IS
WEALTHY.
WEALTHY. BUT HE’S DEDICATED HIM --
LET ME SAY -- BECAUSE I DO LIKE
THIS DEBATE BECAUSE IT’S A
DEBATE, I LIKE DEBATES.
NUMBER TWO, DO YOU WANT TO
CHANGE YOUR WORD FOR OLIGARCH?
>> NO, HE DOESN’T TELL ME WHAT
TO SAY, MY WORD STANDS.
>> THAT’S THE DECISIVE
CONCLUSION OF THIS BACK AND
FORTH.
FORTH. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?
JASON JOHNSON IS A FREQUENT
GUEST ON MY SHOW.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY
IMPORTANT DEBATE AND I’M REALLY
GLAD YOU DIDN’T LET IT GET
BOILED DOWN TO THE USE OF A
WORD.
WORD. IT IS NOT ABOUT A WORD.
HERE’S THE OTHER -- AND I
UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT VIEWS ABOUT
THE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM. THE ENEMY IS THE GUY IN THE OVAL
OFFICE WHO THINKS THERE ARE GOOD
PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES IN
CHARLOTTESVILLE.
CHARLOTTESVILLE. THE ENEMY IS THE GUY IN THE OVAL
OFFICE WHO GOT A PERMISSION SLIP
TO CHEAT IN PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTIONS.
ELECTIONS. THE ENEMY IS A GUY WHO CALLS HIS
GENERALS DOPES AND LOSERS.
I AM NAUSEOUS WHEN I SEE
DEMOCRATS FIGHT AMONGST
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS GET NO
SAY -- I’VE SAID I’LL VOTE -- IF
YOU PICK AN AUTOMOBILE, I WILL
VOTE FOR IT.
I FEEL SO WARY WHEN I SEE THESE
REALLY, REALLY INTENSE FIGHTS
AROUND SOMEONE TRYING TO HELP
Y’ALL WIN.
Y’ALL WIN. >> MY THING IS THIS.
LIKE I SAID, I AM AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN.
CITIZEN. I HAVE NO PARTICULAR LOYALTY TO
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OR ANY
OTHER PARTY LIKE THAT.
BUT WHAT I DO THINK IS THIS.
IF YOU’RE TRYING TO BUILD A
COALITION TO GET DONALD TRUMP
OUT OF OFFICE, THIS SORT OF CUTE
RED MEAT STUFF IS FINE ON
TWITTER.
TWITTER. BUT IT’S NOT HOW YOU’RE IS
BEINGLY SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING
A CAMPAIGN.
A CAMPAIGN. FIGHT BLOOMBERG ON THE ISSUES.
TALK ABOUT STOP AND FRISK.
TALK ABOUT HOW THEY HAD TO SIGN
AN NDA SO THEY CAN’T TALK ABOUT
THINGS HE’S DONE.
THAT IS FAIR AND REASONABLE.
BUT WHEN YOU REDUCE THIS TO NAME
CALLING INSTEAD OF POLICY,
YOU’RE DOING THE EXACT THING
BERNIE SUPPORTERS COMPLAIN