- Listen, I had the decency to put on a hat.
What's going on there?
Okay, now it looks a little bit better.
It looks a little bit better now.
- You don't like this?
- Oh, yes.
Hey There, Human.
With me Rainn Wilson.
How can we talk about
surviving this quarantine and finding increased
and better mental health?
How can we be of service to others?
When there's so many hurting
I was just reading a story today
about the number of people that are losing their jobs
being laid off, the number of unemployment claims.
It's, it's going to be really daunting.
And you know, you guys hear from a lot of like,
I'm trying to be really sensitive as like a,
I was on a TV show for a long time.
So I made a little bit of money.
I'm not trying to brag, it's just a fact.
I don't, I spent most of my life in pretty much poverty.
And no, I'm not exaggerating.
I mean, like poverty, like,
for the first 10 years of my career,
I never made over 20 grand in a year as an actor
and had to subsidize myself by being a moving,
driving a moving van and I had to do catering
and I was waiter.
And I would have been laid off
at a different point in my career,
this would have been absolutely devastating to me.
So I imagine sometimes it's hard listening to celebrities
talk about, you know,
changing your attitude and being more uplifting
and, you know, survival techniques
when a lot of people are really afraid for
how am I going to pay rent in June.
So, just really, my heart goes out
to all you all with the economic uncertainty
that's out there.
Um,
and
I'm going to have a special guest today
to talk about this, a good friend of mine.
Oh, look at him. This is Justin Baldoni everybody.
- Hey, dude,
listen, I had the decency to put on a hat.
What's going on there?
Okay, now it looks a little bit better.
It looks a little bit better now.`
- You don't like this.
- Oh, yes.
So Justin Baldoni for those,
for those seven people that don't know,
He played Jane The Virgin for many years
and then he directed a movie called Three Feet Apart.
That had the cast of Supergirl on it.
Is that right am I close?
- Yeah, yeah. three feet.
That would have been interesting title.
For the movie three feet apart.
- Its is Five, five feet apart right?
- [Justin] Five feet apart, man yeah.
- Is the porn version of that five inches apart?
Sorry, sorry to go there,
that's that was terrible
because it's about people
with Spina bifida and stuff like that, right?
So it's not something to make fun of.
- Rainn, you're getting funnier.
You know, I gotta say,
you're getting funnier as you get a little bit older.
This is good for you,
- Justin, tell me something.
What? You've been interviewing
experts in on the virus
and how to survive stuff like this on your channels.
Tell us about that.
- I, I like to think of myself as an explorer.
And I am curious.
And it's one of the reasons why I've always been a fan
and a supporter and a partner with SoulPancake.
Because, you know,
it's all about asking life's big questions.
And I think when, when something like this happens,
those of us with platforms,
I think have a responsibility to be of service
and I think the help,
so for me it was more,
also a little bit selfish because I want to know personally
some, some tips and tricks to ease anxiety
and some of our own suffering happening.
I also understand the sense of privilege that we have
living in even in a house right now.
And, so I was just I've been very curious,
I guess is the way to put it.
And so, yeah,
so I started off talking to my personal therapist.
- Oh, wow.
What was that like?
- It was well, it was wonderful.
His name is Brad Reedy.
You can follow him at Evoke.
He's actually doing daily live streams
to help with collective stress and anxiety.
Yesterday, I talked to our, I think our mutual friend
with my good buddy Jay Shetty.
- [Rainn] Yeah,
- About meditation, spoke to my friend jack Saul,
who, who's a trauma and grief therapist,
and I think for me, it's just been more about...
is there a silver lining to this?
How do we not diminish
the collective suffering and panic and anxiety
and pain happening globally, right?
Because I think there's two sides to this.
We have to, on one hand,
be positive and find a way to inject positivity
and inspiration into our lives while not diminishing,
that people are dying and getting very sick.
I was listening to you talking about these celebrities
and some of the tone deafness to certain extent.
- [Rainn] Yeah.
- I think... a lot of celebrities are facing right now is
quarantine is not so bad when you have a palace. Right?
- Yeah, and when you've got money in the bank.
- And you got money in the bank,
and you don't have a service based industry,
and you don't have to go out
and you're not in front lines working to save peoples life.
- You and I both, I mean,
you as soon as like seven or eight years ago,
and me 20 years ago,
we knew what it was like
to have to go month by month and
how devastating this would have been to us.
- Oh my God, and I think about
and I think about that all the time,
which is important in these conversations
because our collective audiences
are generally they're not made up of privileged people
that Have mansions?
- Yeah.
- They are, and I'm very grateful that that's my audience
and that those are my, those are my friends in my community
because I'm getting direct feedback from
people on the ground that are the most effective,
you know, multiple friends are in the restaurant sector,
you know, half of the entertainment business, you know,
works in restaurants,
- Mmh.
You know, restaurants that are open right now.
- Right, yeah.
People, people are collectively suffering.
And it's important that we don't diminish that.
However, what I've learned,
at least in the last couple of weeks,
is that we have to also find a way to bring in the light,
right? You and I are both...
for how that says that calamity is my Providence.
Outwardly it is fire and vengeance
yet inwardly it is life and mercy.
Right and there is calamity
befalling all of us all around the world,
and I think we have to look for the light and the mercy.
It's like the Rumi quote, right.
The wound is where the light enters you.
- [Rainn] Mmh.
Or Leonard Cohen, right?
That there's a crack in everything.
That's where the light gets in.
These are things that are,
that have been reinforced into our minds
and our subconscious psyches for years,
we're now having a chance to say,
how does that work?
Like practically like, we all have a chance to say,
Well, how do we find the light in the darkness?
And it happens,
because of people like you that are doing this
because of the hope that we're seeing all around the world
from a global community of everyday people stepping up
and saying, like, how can I help?
And the final thing I've learned
is, dude, we just got to take a damn breath
every once in a while,
turn off the freaking news.
The world is not going to end tomorrow,
and we have to breathe together,
and you got to take a breath,
and we got to calm our anxiety,
say prayer. If you don't believe in God,
then like, just practice breathing for five minutes.
Because anxiety is a real thing.
And I believe that...
- If you don't believe in God,
you can believe in nature and you can have an experience...
- Believe in Mother Earth or at the very least,
like understand that anxiety
just like this virus
can spread, but it spreads even faster.
And that's the other thing that I've seen firsthand is,
is look how fast anxiety is spreading.
It's spreading a lot faster than COVID-19.
So we have to...
- Its the real, It's the real pandemic, isn't it?
- It seems like it is.
Both human beings and, and anxiety
we are the virus of Mother Earth.
And the anxiety is the virus afflicting everybody right now.
- The problem with the news is because I saw someone say,
Don't turn off the news, you got to stay informed.
It's like, Well, here's the problem.
And a lot of times people blame like the media.
I don't think the media is the problem.
Like I don't blame the internet
for bad things that happen on the internet.
But the problem with
the way the news is structured right now is that
fear,
leads to clicks.
Fear leads to you coming back.
So the more that they can hit you with little block,
no one wants to hear the good news.
They'll do an occasional touching story here or there.
But as soon as they say Like,
uh, you know, are we in danger,
we could blah, blah, blah, blah.
- It's gonna get worse, Oh yeah.
- It keeps you we're wired for fear as human beings
and the clicks on the internet
come from fear and outrage that gets more clicks.
- And also we have to remember,
that the news stations have to fill
24 hours a day of news coverage.
- [Rainn] Mmh.
- Because there's advertisers
that are paying for the news coverage.
And if nobody's watching the news,
then nobody's paying the bills,
then the station goes away.
It's a version of entertainment.
And we have to just be mindful
of our collective mental health
when we watch the news to not also get addicted,
in the same way that we can get addicted to social media,
or to things that take us away
from experiencing our full selves.
- Mm hmm.
Well said, Justin,
thank you so much,
and people can find you @justinbaldoni.
- Yeah,
- Brother, thank you so much for ..
- Love you man.
- Okay, talk to you soon.
- Bye.
- Oh, what a nice fella.
What a nice chap.
Justin is so talented and articulate and really
well, has a pure heart
really trying to do what's best for the world.
And give back.
Super nice guy, great hair.
You guys, stay connected, Stay safe.
Let's help each other out.
Reach out, help other people
find someone that might be feeling a little more sad
and a little more anxious than you
and lend a helping hand
and connect with them.
Okay, that's your mission.
Goodbye, I love you all.
♪ Hey there, human. ♪