>>> DONALD TRUMP AND THE MAGA
REPUBLICANS REPRESENT AN
EXTREMISM THAT THREATENS THE
VERY FOUNDATIONS OF OUR
REPUBLIC.
MAGA FORCES ARE DETERMINED TO
TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACKWARD.
JACKIE: THAT WAS PRESIDENT
BIDEN LAST NIGHT STANDING IN
FRONT OF A DRAMATICALLY LIT
INDEPENDENCE HALL IN
PHILADELPHIA.
HE’S DECLARING DEMOCRACY IS
UNDER ASSAULT BY FORMER
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE MILLIONS
OF AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR HIM.
JOINING ME NOW IS OKLAHOMA
CONGRESSMAN KEVIN HERN, HE’S A
MEMBER OF THE WAYS AND MEANS
COMMITTEE.
CONGRESSMAN, GOOD MORNING TO
YOU.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS
MORNING.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS.
THE PRESIDENT IS ESSENTIALLY
ATTACKING HALF OF THE COUNTRY,
GROUPING THEM INTO THIS EXTREME
BASKET OF MAGA REPUBLICANS, MOST
PEOPLE WOULD JUST SAY I’M NOT
EVEN SURE WHAT THAT EXACTLY IS
AND HE’S ACCUSING THEM OF
THREATENING DEMOCRACY.
YOUR TAKE ON THIS?
>> WELL, I DON’T THINK THERE’S
ANY QUESTION THAT -- FIRST OF
ALL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY
QUESTION JOE BIDEN HAS DONE MORE
TO ERODE DEMOCRACY AFTER LAST
NIGHT’S SPEECH THAN WE EVER
THOUGHT POSSIBLE.
HE CAMPAIGNED ON HIS ABILITY TO
UNIFY THE COUNTRY, THAT THAT’S
WHAT HE WAS GREAT AT AFTER 50
YEARS IN POLITICS.
LAST NIGHT WHAT WE SAW AS YOU
JUST STATED, HE SAID THAT HALF
OF AMERICA, EVERYONE THAT VOTED
FOR DONALD TRUMP, HAD NO PLACE
IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE’RE ALL
FASCISTS AND IF WE HAVE A STRONG
TWO PARTY SYSTEM WHICH IS HOW
OUR FOUNDERS ENVISIONED US AND
HOW WE SHOULD BE WORKING
TOGETHER AND HE DID MORE TO
DIVIDE US LAST NIGHT THAN EVER.
JACKIE: YOU KNOW, YOU STAND
BACK AND LOOK AT THIS SPEECH AND
THINK ABOUT THE MIDTERMS AND
WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
TRYING TO DO WITH POSITIONING.
IT’S INTERESTING TO HE ME
BECAUSE WHAT’S HAPPENED WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP RECENTLY, THE
FBI RAID, ET CETERA, IT’S
RALLIED THE BASE.
I IMAGINE HIS BASE SEES A SPEECH
LIKE THIS AND COULD BE TURNED
OFF BY IT TO PUT IT MILDLY.
>> WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT
THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS KIND
OF DIVISION IN OUR COUNTRY,
YEAH, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO
GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO PRIOR TO
THE CIVIL WAR WHERE WE HAD THE
ATROCITIES THAT WERE GOING ON
THEN AND REALLY DID DIVIDE OUR
COUNTRY, SOME WOULD ARGUE WE’RE
MARCHING IN THAT DIRECTION NOW.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY WANT
US TO JOIN -- WE HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT THE DEMOCRAT
VERSUS THE WHITE HOUSE, THE
SENATE AND THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AND WHAT DO THEY
DO WITH THIS POWER, THEY DOUBLE
THE SIZE OF THE IRS SO THEY CAN
SHAKE DOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THEY GO OUT AND HAVE THE DOJ AND
FBI TARGET POLITICAL OPPONENTS.
THEY CALL OUR PARENTS DOMESTIC
TERRORISTS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
GET GENDER OF IDENTIFICATION AND
CRITICAL RACE THEORY OUT OF THE
CLASSROOM.
YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER.
THIS PARTY HAS BECOME THE PARTY
OF DEATH WHEN IT COMES TO THE
NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO DIED
FROM FENTANYL OVERDOSE AND
NUMBER OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO
DIED CROSSING THE BORDER.
THIS IS THEIR LEADERSHIP.
THIS IS INSANE TO THINK IF WE
WANT TO PUSH BACK ON IT, MEANING
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, 75 MILLION
AMERICANS WANT TO PUSH BACK ON
THAT THAT SOMEHOW WE’RE
ANTI-AMERICAN, THAT WE’RE
FASCIST AND THIS HAS GOT TO
STOP.
JACKIE: I WILL ADD TO THAT,
OVER $4 TRILLION IN RECKLESS
SPENDING THAT PUT THE ECONOMY IN
AN UNSTABLE POSITION RIGHT NOW.
TODD.
>> TO JACKIE’S POINT ON MIDTERM
MOMENTUM, CONGRESSMAN, IF YOU
LOOK AT THE POLLS, IN JULY AND
AUGUST THEY WERE NOT FAVORABLE
TO REPUBLICANS WHEN IT COMES TO
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
YES, MANY OF THEM, MOST OF THEM,
IF NOT ALL OF THEM STILL SHOW
REPUBLICANS HOLDING ONTO THE
HOUSE BUT THE WAVE HAS
DEFINITELY BEEN FEARED THAT IT
COULD TURN INTO MORE OF A
TRICKLE IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN.
I THINK REPUBLICANS WERE GIVEN
TWO GIFTS IN RECENT WEEKS.
ONE, THE STUDENT LOAN BAILOUT
THAT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
AND THE HEARTLAND DOES NOT SEEM
TO LIKE.
THE SECOND GIFT WAS THIS SPEECH.
HOW DO YOU AS A CAMPAIGNING
REPUBLICAN TAKE THIS GIFT GIVEN
TO YOU BY JOE BIDEN, THESE TWO
GIFTS, AND USE IT TO CAMPAIGN IN
THE NEXT TWO MONTHS?
>> WELL, IT STARTED LAST NIGHT
FOR ME.
I WAS SPEAKING TO SOME 700
PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT AND WE
TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT
THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE IS
TAKING AND GIVEN AWAY MONEY ON
THE BACKS OF HARD WORKING
FARMERS AND RANCHERS AND
MANUFACTURERS AND PEOPLE THAT
ARE OUT EVERY DAY WITH A JOB,
PAYING THEIR BILLS AND WITH ONE
FELL SWOOP OF A PEN WHICH IS
CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL EVEN
ACCORDING TO NANCY PELOSI JUST
LAST YEAR, THAT THIS PRESIDENT
HAS HAD THE AUDACITY TO GO OUT
AND SAY I DON’T NEED CONGRESS
ANYMORE.
I CAN DO EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND
SPEND MONEY JUST LIKE IT’S NO
TOMORROW.
AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING
RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE PARTIES,
BOTH PARTIES, DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING FROM
THIS PRESIDENT.
YOU LOOK LAST NIGHT.
YOU DIDN’T SEE THE SENATE
CANDIDATE FETTERMAN STANDING
WITH THE PRESIDENT IN HIS OWN
STATE.
YOU KNOW, THAT’S SOMETHING THAT
PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW, THAT
DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING FROM THIS.
TIM RYAN, WHO IS RUNNING FOR
SENATE IN OHIO HAS BEEN RUNNING
FROM THIS.
EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO HAS BEEN OUT
THERE CAMPAIGNING IS RUNNING
FROM WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS
DOING.
AND WE NEED TO REMIND OURSELVES
THAT, AGAIN, THEY HAVE ALL THE
POWER, ALL THE LEVERS OF
GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT
TO DO AND HE SPOKE ABOUT WE, THE
PEOPLE 10 TIMES AT LEAST LAST
NIGHT AND WE, THE PEOPLE IS I,
JOE BIDEN.
WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO WHAT
WE KNOW AND WORK TOGETHER TO
MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD.
JACKIE: TO EXPAND ON WHAT
YOU’RE SAYING ON THE CONCEPT OF
I, JOE BIDEN, EXECUTIVE POWER,
THE REPUBLICANS ATTORNEYS
GENERAL ARE CONSIDERING LAWSUITS
AGAINST PRESIDENT BIDEN TO BLOCK
THE STUDENT LOAN BAILOUT.
CONGRESSMAN, THAT SPENDING, THE
NOTION IS THAT SPENDING IN THIS
COUNTRY IS SUPPOSED TO BE
APPROVED BY YES, CONGRESS, NOT B
PRESIDENT.
>> WELL, AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK
AT WHAT NANCY PELOSI HAS DONE
THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT I’VE
BEEN IN CONGRESS IS SHE
CIRCUMVENTED ALL THE COMMITTEES
OF ANY JURISDICTION ON MOST
EVERYTHING.
THE BILLS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN
HER OFFICE.
SHE LED THE PATHWAY FOR
PRESIDENT BIDEN TO DO WHAT HE IS
DOING.
SHE HAS SHOWN A TOTAL DISREGARD
FOR HAVING RESTRAINT ON
SPENDING.
WE SPENT SOME $12 TRILLION
THROUGH DEMOCRAT RULE IN THE
LAST FOUR YEARS.
JUST INSANE.
ALMOST DOUBLING OUR DEBT.
AND FOR THEM TO TALK ABOUT THIS
INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, THIS IS
A GREEN NEW DEAL BILL REPACKAGED
TO BE A BUILD BACK BROKE PLAN,
REPACKAGED TO NOW BEING
INFLATION REDUCTION PLAN WHICH
THEIR OWN ADMINISTRATION SAID
IT’S NOT GOING TO LOWER
INFLATION.
JACKIE: AND THEY LIE AND CALL
IT AN INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.
I ALWAYS PUT THE SO-CALLED IN
FRONT OF IT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
REDUCING INFLATION.
CONGRESSMAN, WHILE YOU HAVE YOU,
IN A RECENT OP-ED, INSULIN PRICE
CAPS AREN’T THE ANSWER, YOU
WRITE, QUOTE, IF DEMOCRATS HAVE
THEIR WAY, NEW REGULATIONS WILL
MAKE IT HARDER FOR AMERICANS
TOING ASSESS LIFE-SAVING
PHARMACEUTICALS SUCH AS INSULIN.
WHAT’S THE SOLUTION TO BRINGING
DOWN INSULIN COSTS?
>> WELL, MAYBE GO BACK TO WHAT
THE AMERICAN DIABETES
ASSOCIATION SAID THE BIGGEST
IMPEDIMENT TO US GETTING LOWER
INSULIN COST TO THE SYSTEM, TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IS THE FOOD
AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE
THEY’RE DELAYING AFTER DELAYING
THE ABILITY TO GET BIOSIMILARS
WHICH ARE NOT EXACTLY GENERICS
BUT THEY’RE AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN
GET FOR INSULIN AND WE HAVE TWO
COMING ON THE MARKET VERY
QUICKLY NOW THIS YEAR THAT ARE
GOING TO LOWER THE PRICE SOME
92% BY THEIR ESTIMATES.
THERE’S ANOTHER SIX THAT ARE IN
THE PROCESS HE’S AND THIS IS THE
FDA DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO
DRAG THEIR FEET BECAUSE WE NEED
TO REALIZE THAT WHEN THE MARKET
WORKS, THAT MEANS GOVERNMENT
OVERREACH IS BEING CURTAILED.
AND THAT’S NOT WHAT THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION, THE DEMOCRATS
WANT.
THEY WANT TO TAKE OVER OUR
HEALTHCARE IN AMERICA.
THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES THAT
HAVE PRODUCED THE DRUGS THAT
SAVE AMERICANS, OUR RARE
DISEASES OUT THERE.
THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE PRICE.
THEY TRIED TO CONTROL THE PRICE
ACROSS THE BOARD WHICH WOULD
REALLY STOP ALL PRODUCTION OF
THESE DRUGS THAT WE NEED.
AND WHAT THEY’VE DONE NOW IS
THEY’VE JUST LOWERED THE PRICE
IN THE MEDICARE SPACE BY PRICE
CAPS.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW EVERYBODY
ELSE IS GOING TO PAY MORE.
THE REAL SOLUTION IS TO HAVE THE
BIOSIMILARS OF OUT THERE TO
DRIVE DOWN THE COST FOR ALL.
JACKIE: WHEN IT COMES TO R&D
DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTRY,
WE’VE BEEN A LEADER WHEN IT
COMES TO THE PHARMACEUTICAL,
CONGRESSMAN.
BUT MANY PEOPLE SAY THIS IS ALL
-- ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO IS
IT’S GOING TO STIFLE INNOVATION,
GOING TO STIFLE THE INSENSE
STIFF FOR COMPANIES TO TRY --
INSELF TESTIFYINCENTIVE FOR COMP
TO FIND CURES FOR DISEASES THAT
KILL US.
>> THEY WANT TO PICK DRUGS THAT
THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CONTROL
THE PRICE ON.
THESE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
-- WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE
YET.
IF THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
DON’T COMPLY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE POWER
IN THE BILL TO GO OUT AND TAX
THEM 95% TAX ON THEIR GROSS
INCOME.
THAT MEANS ALL WILL STOP AND
BASICALLY WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BY
INDUSTRY LEADERS IS THAT A THOSE
DOLLARS WILL NEVER BE REALIZED,
MEANING THOSE PENALTIES BECAUSE
PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES WILL
STOP PRODUCING THOSE DRUGS AND
THAT’S NOT WHAT WE NEED.
THAT’S WHY PEOPLE COME TO
AMERICA TO GET THE
PHARMACEUTICALS THAT WE HAVE
BECAUSE WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE
YOU CAN GO OUT AND DEVELOP THESE
AND SEND THEM OUT ACROSS THE
WORLD.
JACKIE: THERE’S A REASON WHY
IT’S BEEN WORKING.
IT’S NOT TO SAY THAT THE SYSTEM
ISN’T SOMEWHAT BROKEN.
BUT MAYBE THERE’S ANOTHER WAY TO
APPROACH IT.
CONGRESSMAN, REALLY APPRECIATE
YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.