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>>> WELCOME BACK TO "TAKE 5". WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN IN
TECHNOLOGY.
TECHNOLOGY. A UW PROFESSOR SAID "WE'LL
NEVER REACH GENDER PARITY."
THE ARTICLE IS CALLED "WHY
WOMEN DON'T CODE."
IT DEALS FROM EVERYTHING FROM
PEOPLE WITH HIS VIEWS BEING
SILENCED AND WHY WOMEN CHOOSE
CAREERS THAT AREN'T TECH
RELATED.
RELATED.
RELATED. STRONG REACTION TO HIS
COMMENTS.
COMMENTS.
COMMENTS. WE THOUGHT WE'D HAD A
DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
JOINING US IS THE AUTHOR OF
APPROXIMATE BOOK, "THE GENDER
ADVANTAGE."
ADVANTAGE." WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU
READ THIS ESSAY?
>> I WAS BAFFLED.
I THOUGHT WE WERE PASSED THIS
TOPIC AFTER THE ENTIRE GOOGLE,
JAMES MOORE FANTASTICO.
I THOUGHT BAFFLED BECAUSE
THERE'S NO SCIENCE TO SUPPORT
THAT MEN AND WOMEN ARE SO
DIFFERENT BUY LOGICALLY AND I'M
SURE -- BIOLOGICALLY AND I'M
SURE WE'LL TALK DEEPER IN
DETAIL ABOUT HOW WE'VE BEEN
SOAKSIZED TO BE DIFFERENT --
SOCIALIZED TO BE DIFFERENT.
I'M REALLY DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED.
I WOULD BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED
IF MY PROFESSOR THOUGHT THAT
THERE WERE NATURAL APTITUDES
THAT YOU NEED TO SUCCEED IN
THIS CLASS AND MY GENDER
DOESN'T HAVE THAT TO SUCCEED.
>> HE POINTED TO THIS PAPER IN
THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE
THAT WE'VE SEEN WOMEN MAKE
PROGRESS, LIKE HALF OF MDs ARE
WOMEN NOW AND WE SEE MORE WOMEN
AS PhDs, ALL KINDS OF AREAS
EXCEPT FOR MATH, AND IN THIS
PAPER, IT WAS THAT IT HAD TO DO
WITH DIFFERENT ABILITY AND
DIFFERENT CHOICES AND
RESOURCES.
RESOURCES. HE IS CITING SOURCES THERE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> IT WAS INTERESTING HE PICKED
THAT STUDY BECAUSE WHAT THAT
STUDY FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE
ACTUALLY SOME CAREERS THAT ARE
MATH RELATED THAT END UP BEING
INHOSPITABLE TO WOMEN.
THAT 2010 STUDY YOU REFER TO
ENDED UP CONCLUDING THAT LINEAR
CAREER PATHS ARE NOT ONLY WAY
TO SUCCESS AND WORKPLACES AND
INDUSTRIES NEED TO CHANGE TO
INSURE THAT THEY SUPPORT WOMEN
AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE
PRESSURES AND THE WAY THAT
WOMEN HAVE BEEN SOCIALIZED TO
BE FOR EXAMPLE CAREGIVERS IS
VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY MEN
ARE AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS A NATURAL ABILITY THAT WOMEN
HAVE THAT MEN DON'T HAVE OR
VICE VERSA.
VICE VERSA. >> FOR THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T
IN THE TECH WORLD OR DON'T KNOW
ANYONE IN THE AREA, WHAT ARE
SOME OF THE STORIES YOU HEAR
FROM WOMEN IN TERMS OF THE
ENVIRONMENT?
ENVIRONMENT? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM AS YOU SEE
IT?
IT?
IT? >>
IT? >> GOODNESS, IT'S NON--
>> DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME,
BUT THE REALITY IS THERE ARE
BARRIERS TO RECRUITMENT AND
THERE WAS A GREAT ARTICLE I
THINK IT WAS IN "WIRED" A
COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT HOW
MANY OF THESE RECRUITING BOOTHS
THAT ARE CREATED FOR WOMEN IN
TECHNOLOGY OR TO ATTRACT PEOPLE
INTO TECHNOLOGY ARE VERY
HOSTILE TO WOMEN, SO THEY ONLY
HAD WOMEN TALK ABOUT WOMEN IN
TECHNOLOGY, FOR EXAMPLE.
IT WON'T BE ABOUT THE ACTUAL
WORK YOU ARE DOING, ACTUAL
PRODUCTS THAT YOU ARE BUILDING,
LACK OF PAID MATERNITY LEAVE OR
A CULTURE THAT ACTUALLY EVEN IF
YOU DO HAVE A GENEROUS PAY
MATERNITY LEAVE, BUT A CULTURE
THAT SAYS THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT
THING TO DO AND IF YOU DO THIS,
YOU COULD GET DEMOTED.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT AT THE TOP LACK
OF ROLE MODELS, LACK OF
NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES.
NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES. LITERALLY, THE LIST IS ENDLESS.
THAT COMPOUNDS IF YOU ARE A
WOMAN OF COLOR WHICH IS
SOMETHING THAT I AM
PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN
LOOKING AT.
LOOKING AT. >> AND WE'RE JUST ABOUT OUT OF
TIME, BUT I HAVE TO ASK THIS
BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THIS IS
A SPEECH DISCUSSION TOO,
BECAUSE SOME FEEL WE -- LATER
ON WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE UW
PROFESSOR ON THE SHOW AND SOME
PEOPLE ARE LIKE WHY ARE YOU
GIVING THIS PROFESSOR A
PLATFORM AND EVEN HE TALKS
ABOUT BEING SILENCED WHEN YOU
HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.
WHERE IS THE LINE FOR YOU IN
TERMS OF, OK, WE WANT TO HAVE
VARIETY OF IDEAS, BUT YOU'RE
SAYING, HEY, THESE ARE HARMFUL,
WE SHOULDN'T BE HEARING THEM.
>> IT'S VERY HARMFUL.
IF I WAS AN 18-YEAR-OLD STUDENT
STUDYING COMPUTER SCIENCE AND
MY PROFESSOR WROTE THIS OUT, I
WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED AND VERY
ALARMED.
ALARMED.
ALARMED. I LOVED PHYSICS IN HIGH SCHOOL
AND I WAS VERY, VERY GOOD IN IT
AND I HAD A SEXIST AND RACIST
PROFESSOR WHO COULD ALWAYS TOLD
ALL THE WOMEN, AND I CHECK BACK
NOW WITH WOMEN WHO HAVE PhDsWHO
WERE IN MY CLASS BACK IN THE
DAY WHO SAY YOU WERE RIGHT.
THIS PROFESSOR WAS VERY
UNSUPPORTIVE AND THAT TURNED ME
AWAY FROM A SUBJECT I LOVED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
JOINING US. AUTHOR OF "THE DIVERSITY
ADVANTAGE."
ADVANTAGE." THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF
THE