K: Is there a state of mind which is absolutely immovable?
Not immovable in the sense holding on to a prejudice
– I don’t mean that.
But in this consciousness everything is moving.
Thought is constantly moving,
from this corner to that corner, being occupied.
Therefore, that is a movement in time.
Now, is there a non-movement of this
which has a totally different kind of movement?
This movement has a cause. Am I making myself clear?
This movement has a cause/effect, and from that effect another cause.
The very effect becomes the cause and so on.
Now, there is a movement which has no cause.
But it is non-movement.
I don’t know if I can put it that way.
Q: Why do you call it ‘non-movement’, sir?
K: Because – just a minute.
Let’s go back.
I only know this movement,
moving from one side to another, from one corner to another,
from one object to another
within this area of human consciousness.
That consciousness may be wide or very narrow,
but it is still human consciousness.
That consciousness is me, you.
Now, I only know that movement,
which is the movement of time and so on.
Now I’m asking, is there a movement which is not that?
So, I must be free from that to find out.
Like I must remove my anchor of prejudice to move.
That movement of lifting the anchor and moving, is still there.
Is there a movement which is not of time,
which is not of cause, which is not an effect/cause?
Which means, first there must be absolute immovability.
Sorry!
Is there anything that’s absolutely immovable?
If there is, that immobility has its own mobility.
Q: But in another dimension. K: Nothing to do with dimension.
Sir, the universe has no cause and effect
– it’s the universe, it’s living.
Am I making something clear or it’s all idiotic?
Q: You’re saying that normally we move with thought,
but that there is a movement when thought ceases,
which is out of no thought at all.
K: I mean by immobility a statement like this,
that there is no path to truth.
That is absolute.
Therefore, it is immovable, as far as I am concerned.
Right?
Like time-thought is fear – that’s absolute,
because you can see that. I don’t know…
It’s not a logical immobility, it is so.
Like daylight and sunrise and sunset, it’s so.
You can’t alter it.
The sun may rise at different degrees
but it is from the east and the west,
it’s not from the west and east.
That’s an absolute, irrevocable fact.
Thought has no path to it, it cannot alter that.
We can discuss it logically, rationally, sanely and see it is so.
So, is there something that is absolutely irrevocable, immovable?
And then, out of that, comes something totally different.