THIJS CAME UP IN THE CONGRESS AND MUELLER ARE DIGGING INTO
THAT MIGHT BE EVEN BIGGER?
>> COHEN SAID TRUMP NOEVREVER
OVERTLY TOLD HIM TO LIE TO
CONGRESS, BUT THAT HE MADE
CLEAR.
CLEAR. >> AT THE SAME TIME I WAS
ACTIVELY NEGOTIATING IN RUSSIA
FOR HIM, HE WOULD LOOK ME IN THE
EYE AND TELL ME THERE’S NO
RUSSIAN BUSINESS AND THEN GO ON
TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY
SAYING THE SAME THING.
IN HIS WAY HE WAS TELL ME TO
LIE.
LIE. HE DOESN’T GIVE YOU QUESTIONS,
EHE DOESN’T GIVE YOU ORDERS.
HE SPEAKS IN A CODE AND I
UNDERSTAND THE CODE BECAUSE I’VE
BEEN AROUND FLIM A DECADE.
>> AND IT’S YOUR IMPRESSION THAT
OTHERS WHO WORK FOR HIM
UNDERSTAND THE CODE AS WELL?
>> MOST PEOPLE, YES.
>> FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT,
WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THINGS?
YOU HAVE MICHAEL COHEN SAYING HE
DIDN’T ORDER ME TO LIE BUT
BASICALLY THERE’S A CODE THERE.
I BELIEVE HE WANTED ME TO LIE.
BUT THERE’S NO APPARENTLY DIRECT
EVIDENCE THAT TRUMP HAD ASKED
FOR THAT.
FOR THAT. LEGALLY WHERE WOULD THAT LEAVE
THINGS?
THINGS? >> IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOU
DO TO CONVINCE THE JURY OR
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
I THOUGHT ON THIS POINT HE WAS
PARTICULARLY PERSUASIVE THAT
TRUMP HAD A NANNER IN WHICH HE
ESSENTIALLY SUBORNED PERJURY.
AND HE WAS PARTICULARLY
ARTICULATE ON THAT POINT.
HE WAS REALLY CREDIBLE ON THIS
POINT AND THE REPUBLICANS KEPT
GOING AFTER YOU’RE A LIAR.
YOU’RE A LIAR.
HE REALLY ABSORBED IT AND REALLY
PUT IT BACK AT THEM IN A WAY
THAT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
HE WAS HUMBLE.
AND ON THIS POINT I THINK HE
CONVUNSED MOST PEOPLE THAT THE
PRESIDENT WOULD TELL HUM WHAT TO
DO IN THIS EXACT MANNER.
>> I NOTICE THIS WASSALL MOST A
THEME THAT CAME UP.
HE DESCRIBED SAYING HE THINKS HE
WITNESSED A MOMENT WHERE DONALD
TRUMP JR. WHISPERRED TO DONALD
TRUMP ABOUT THE JUNE 2016 TRUMP
TOWER MEETING.
TOWER MEETING. HE ASSUMES THAT’S WHAT THE IS,
BUT EHE DIDN’T SEE ANY DIRECT
EVIDENCE, NEVER WITNESSED ANY
DIRECT COLLUSION.
DIRECT COLLUSION. IN TERM OZ OF CREATING THE
IMPRESSION A CREDIBLE
IMPRESSION, VERSES PROVING THE
CASE LEGALLY, WHAT’S THE NEXT
STEP?
STEP? >> YOU PROVE IT BY ALL THE
LITTLE DETAILS YOU CAN GET.
I THOUGHT BUSINESS OF GOING
BEHIND THE DESK AND THINKING HE
KNEW EXACT LAWHAT THAT WAS.
THAT WAS MAYBE THE WEAKEST PART
OF HIS TESTIMONY UNMY MIND.
WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS SUBORN
PERJURY ON THIS OR HOW HE WANTED
TO ANSWER ON THE STORMY DAN Y8IE
WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
>> TRUMP, DID HE IN SOME WAY
TELL MICHAEL EOCON TO LIE?
COHEN HAS TALKED TO MUELLER’S
TEAM.
TEAM. HE’S FACING PRISON A COUPLE
WEEKS FROM NOW.
ARE THESE QUESTIONS THAT THE
PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK HAVE
ANSWERS TO ALREADY?
>> ALMOST CERTAINLY.
AND REALLY NEAR THE END OF THE
DAY WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS
FINAL INTERACTION, HE SAID IT’S
UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IN
NEW YORK.
NEW YORK. AND STEVE, AS YOU KNOW, WE’VE
BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY WHEN
YOU THINK ALL OF THE OTHER
PEOPLE, NONE OF THEM HAVE
TESTIFIED UNDER OATH UNPUBLIC.
SO COHEN IS JUST ONE AMONG MANY.
IN FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS IT’S
USUALLY A HIGHER BAR.
SO YOU CAN BET THAT BASICALLY
MUELLER AND THE NEW YORK FEDS
ARE CROSS REFERENCING ALL THIS
STUFF.
STUFF. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO HANG EVERY
SINGLE
SINGLE SINGLE CASE ON MICHAEL COHEN.
THE CODE GOES ALL THE WAY BACK
TO WHERE YOU STARTED YOUR
BROADCAST TONIGHT, WHICH IS ONE
OF THE MOST OMINOUS THINGS
MICHAEL COHEN DID TODAY WAS
OUTLINE HIS EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS
OF WHAT HE SAYS WAS ROGER STONE
TELLING DONALD TRUMP OVER THE
PHONE AND DONALD TRUMP PUBLICLY
DISPUTING THAT, PUBLICLY LAYING
OUT THE TRUTH OR A COVER STORY.
I SAY IT’S A COVER STORY BECAUSE
BOB MUELLER’S ALREADY INDICTED
HIM.
HIM. AND IF STONE AND TRUMP WERE
BASICALLY TALKING TO EACH OTHER
THROUGH TV INTERVIEWS AND OTHER
WAYS THAT MICHAEL COHEN SAYS IS
ALL ABOUT LUNING UPSTERIES AND
GETTING THE CODE COMMUNICATED
WITHOUT ACTUALLY THE SAYING GO
LIVE FOR ME TO THE AUTHORITIES,
THAT’S SOMETHING MUELLER IS
GOING TO ZERO OIN ON.
AND THE QUESTION I WOND WITHER
THAT WE CAN’T ANSWER IS DID
DONALD TRUMP’S LAWYERS KNOW
EALLF THIS WHEN THEY LET HIM
WRITE THOSE WRITTEN
INTERROGATORIES?
INTERROGATORIES? OR DID HE THINK HE CAN OUT SMART
ANYONE.
ANYONE. >> I SAW YOUR SHOW A FEW MINUTES
AGO.
AGO. YOU SET THAT UP AS PUTNGSALLY
THE MOST EXPLOSIVE THING THAT
COULD BE REVEALED.
MUELLER WOULD KNOW THAT RIGHT
NOW.
NOW. >> MUELLER WOULD HAVE THE
EVIDENCE ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
MUELLER IS CHARGING SOMETHING
SIMILAR AGAINST STONE.
WHAT’S NEW TONIGHT.
THE BIG BLINKING LIGHT IS
MICHAEL COHEN SAYING UNDER OATH
THAT ONE OF THOSE OFFICIALS WAS
THEN CANDIDATE, DONALD TRUMP
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. AND SOMETHING THAT’S GOING TO
GET PLAYED A TON MORE AND OUR
COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO BE
GETTING INTO IT, HAD CAN IS
ROGER STONE CAME OUT IN PUBLIC
AND MADE THIS ODD REMARK THAT HE
KNEW DONALD TRUMP’S SECRET
INTERROGATORIES ALSO DENIED THEY
DISCUSSED WIKILEAKS.
DISCUSSED WIKILEAKS. AT LEAST POTENTIALLY F YOU
BELIEVE THE MICHAELO COHEN
ACCOUNT UNDER OATH, THEY BOTH
KNEW THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AND
THEY BOTH LIED ABOUT IT.
MUELLER DOES HAVE POTENTIALLY
NEW CRIME AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.
AND IF YOU WERE WATCHING THE
SHOW, WE HAVE MUELLER’S FORMER