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John with today's active self-protection
lesson out of Wales in the UK here we
see a couple of officers Gwent county
patrol officers who are taser officers
who have to confront a man who is off
his medication and has two knives and
we're gonna see how hard they work to
deescalate the situation and the peril
that they get into when it doesn't work
the body worn cameras from the officers
has great audio here that I think is
very important and also shows us some
important lessons about verbal judo so
let's listen in okay keep nice and calm
for me keep nice and calm okay I'm
officer with a Taser what I need you to
do is put the knife down for me what I
need you to do is put the knife down for
me I'm filming yet your video run or do
you record it put the knives down for me
what's that sorry okay I want you to put
the knives down for me put the knives
down for me fella put the knives down
for me okay
okay what I don't want you to do I don't
need to harm yourself or anybody else I
need you to put the knives down for me
are you going to put the knives down for
me is there anything I can reasonably
say or do okay that's going to help me
and help you to put those knives down
what's that sorry yeah Chuck wait my
spare okay is there anything I can
reasonably say or do so make you put
those knives down so again I can't take
this off I'm happy to come into all you
okay okay I need you to put the knife
down for me what's your name what's your
name
oh okay I'm Rhydian okay Oh is there
anything I can reasonably say or do to
help make you put those knives down yeah
I'm not gonna be able to do that and
freed me because they need to stay here
for our protection okay the last thing I
want to do is have to use anything but
if you continue to hold those knives the
way you are okay we may we may be forced
to use Tasers do you understand that
okay right right when I say right when I
say open the door ng whoa whoa get back
from the door then I say they'd like
mate wait step away from the door step
away from the door I'm not gonna get in
my way
not mate the scent this scent all we
need to do is put the knives down just
put the knives down mate all right
what's that
just put the knives down pal come on
I put the knives down all right no no no
no don't come out this with knives no
don't put that away knives no I don't
produce don't mean I can't get a shot
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listen listen calm down it's absolutely
fine okay listen listen it ain't easy
cuz you'll ruin yourself with a knife
alright meat it's for your safety we
can't do that boyfriends that is scary
scary stuff thankfully it all came out
okay in the end
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today's lesson I want to think about the
peril of using less lethal tools against
a lethal threat I want to think about
the limitations of the Taser and I want
to think about how dangerous and how
deadly a knife attack can be first of
all I really want to come into these
officers for their their desire to
de-escalate this conflict I think that's
very professional policing and I think
police around the world do this all the
time and you know so the next thing I
want to think about here is the fact
that with the door closed these officers
aren't at risk that those knives are out
of range he could not hurt them with
those knives through the door and
through the glass so they're relatively
safe here it's only when the door opens
that they're gonna have that problem of
you know facing a deadly threat so I
love the fact that they take this
opportunity to keep
door closed don't rush in and are doing
their best to try to deescalate this and
I think their verbal judo was really
good but some people you just cannot get
to kind of talk to you about things it's
only here when things go down that the
door opens they decide we got to step in
where things get a little scary now
let's think about the Taser here real
quick do I want to use a Taser against a
knife
not without lethal cover quite frankly
because that guy walked right through
that and what we're gonna see here is
the fact that that taser isn't always a
hundred percent effective in fact a lot
of people that I know and several
studies that I've seen say that they
work about 50% of the time now 50% is
pretty good in a dangerous situation if
you have lethal cover however you've got
to recognize that that guy can come and
get after you which is why taser is a
very limited tool people think about
using it all the time but notice what
happens here he's got the taster on him
but he didn't get the kind of taser
prong spread and so the guy doesn't have
neuromuscular incapacitation here it
doesn't put him down and when the taser
works it works great but when it doesn't
it fails miserably and just causes pain
and notice where he's stabbing here he's
getting up underneath the arm of the
officer could easily have severed his
brachial artery there easily have gotten
into a soft spot under his armor and I
don't even know if the officers armor is
rated for a stab wound and for slicing
it's probably could be ballistic but I
don't know if it's rated for knives so
that was very dangerous and now does
he's coming after him and I just loved
the fact here that this officer decides
he can't get away from the knives of
course you'd rather keep distance and
stay away from a knife if you possibly
can
but when you can't stay away from it you
got to drive into it and close the
distance so far that it's not effective
to use and he does exactly that here
controls the distance first that's why
we talk about the five DS plus one the
first thing we do is control the
distance out against the knife if
possible in against the firearm if
possible and if not close in hard and
then deflect dominate distract disarmed
disable and that's what we see here he's
deflected the blades away from him and
away from this man who is obviously not
just homicidal but suicidal and then
he's now dominating that hand why he's
trying to keep the guy from hurting him
and hurting himself so we have a deflect
so distance first then deflect now
dominate now of course the distractions
coming here because of the Taser right
he's still getting the pain from the
Taser so he does have a
action here now we got to work on the
disarms thankfully the officer was able
with the the distraction of the Taser
the two of them working together and
working as partners to get the knives
off of them and actually I think this is
kind of a good strategy they just take
the knife and get it the heck out of
there and it's now out of contact and
out of the fight one and two so I think
these officers deserve to be commended I
think they did take incredible personal
risk to get in there and try to subdue
this guy I'm really grateful that they
then once they got him you know got the
knives away from him they felt like they
could overwhelm him physically and then
they started talking to him again and
de-escalating the conflict I think that
shows a high level of professionalism
and I think that these officers did a
great job
I hope this man got the kind of help
that he needs I know he's going to face
some time in prison but hopefully he got
the kind of help he needs for his
emotional and mental health challenges
as well these officers did a great job
of protecting their community and
covering their ass
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