PASSING THE VIRUS OR PICKING UP THE VIRUS IN ANY HUMAN
INTERACTION.
INTERACTION. >> IN TERMS OF THE AMERICAN
CAPACITY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
YOU OUTLINED IN THIS NEW
REPORTING FEEL DOABLE IF NOT
POLITICALLY DIFFICULT, FOR
EXAMPLE THE FIRST THING YOU
SUGGESTED IS THE SCIENTISTS NEED
TO BE HEARD, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE DOING THE DAY TO DAY
EXPLAINING OF WHAT’S GOING ON,
WHAT THE DYNAMICS ARE OF THE
EPIDEMIC, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
TO STOP IT AND WHY, SHOULD BE
SCIENTISTS AND POLITICIANS, IN
THE SAME WAY THAT GENERAL SWARZ
COF WAS THE PERSON EXPLAINING
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE GULF WAR
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THAT SEEMS AT LEAST
THEORETICALLY DOABLE.
THEORETICALLY DOABLE. BUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS
THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, I SORT OF
HAVE BEEN READING BETWEEN THE
LINES BUT IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE
NOT SURE AMERICA WILL EVER GET
IT TOGETHER TO DO SOME OF THE
MORE EXTREME FORMS OF ISOLATION
AND INTRUSIVE MONITORING.
>> WE ARE NOT NEARLY AS TOGETHER
AS THE ITALIANS RIGHT NOW WHO
ARE NOT FAMOUS FOR COOPERATION
WITH AUTHORITY AT ANY TIME.
YOU KNOW, IN TENNESSEE, PEOPLE
ARE STILL INSISTING ON GOING,
THE RIGHT TO GO TO BARS, AND IN
ENGLAND, YOU KNOW, THE MINUTE
THEY HEARD THAT THE BARS WERE
GOING TO CLOSE DOWN, THE BARS
WERE FLOODED FOR LAST CALL.
AND THIS IS JUST, THIS IS JUST
THE BEGINNING.
THE BEGINNING. THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO
FREEZE EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
THEN THE REAL WORK BEGINS.
AND THE REAL WORK INCLUDES FIRST
OF ALL, YOU’VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE
WHO ARE INFECTED OUT OF THEIR
HOMES, SO THAT THEY DON’T INFECT
THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THAT MEANS THEY’RE GOING TO
HAVE TO GO, EVEN IF THEY HAVE
MILD CASES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE
ALMOST NO SYMPTOMS, THEY’RE
GOING TO HAVE TO GO SOME BLASE
WHERE THEY CAN GET OVER IT
TOGETHER, AND SO THAT THE ONES
WHO CRASH, WHICH IS A BIG
PHENOMENA THE SECOND WEEK,
PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BE DOING FINE
AND SOME WILL CRASH AND NEED TO
BE ON OXYGEN, YOU DON’T WANT TO
BE HAVING TO CALL 911 AT THAT
POINT.
POINT. BECAUSE THERE MAY BE NO
AMBULANCE FOR YOU.
YOU WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF IN
SOMETHING LIKE THE JAVITS CENTER
WHERE THERE IS A NURSE KEEPING
AN EYE ON EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM
WHO HAS A NUMBER OF OXYGEN TANKS
BY THE WALL SO WHEN YOU NEED
OXYGEN SOMEBODY CAN GET IT TO
YOU INSTANTLY.
YOU INSTANTLY. AND PLUS WE NEED TO FIND THE
FEVERS.
FEVERS. WE NEED TO TEST LITERALLY
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THE
FIRST THING YOU GET THE TEST, IT
MEANS NOTHING.
MEANS NOTHING. AND A NEGATIVE TEST YIELDS NO
INFORMATION.
INFORMATION. YOU SOMETIMES, IT TAKES THREE OR
FOUR DAYS, EVEN AFTER YOU HAVE
SYMPTOMS, FOR A TEST TO TURN OUT
POSITIVE.
POSITIVE. SO THERE IS A LOT OF, A LOT HAD
MORE TO DO, EVEN, A LOT MORE TO
DO EVEN AFTER WE GO INTO A
LOCKDOWN.
LOCKDOWN. AND THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING
ABOUT, AFTER 15 DAYS, THIS MAY
LIKELY BE OVER.
AND THAT’S A DISASTROUS WAY TO
LOOK AT IT.
>> IN TERMS OF FINDING THE
FEVERS, I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE
THAT DR. FAUCI DID AN INTERVIEW
WITH SCIENCE MAGAZINE IN WHICH
THE INTERVIEWER ASKED HIM, YOU
KNOW, LISTEN IN, CHINA, ONE OF
THE THINGS THEY DO, THEY POINT
AN INFRARED THERMOMETER AT YOUR
FOREHEAD BEFORE THEY ALLOW YOU
IN THE GROCERY STORE OR THE BUS
AND CHECK IF YOU HAVE A FEVER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD
BE DOING AND DR. FAUCI RESPONDED
POSITIVELY AND SAID I WILL BRING
THIS UP IN THE TASK FORCE
MEETING, LOGISTICCALLY, I DON’T
KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT AND THERE
IS A GOOD CASE TO DO THAT AND TO
HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT A MEASURE
LIKE THAT POSITIVELY IS OF
INTEREST ON ITS OWN TERMS BUT IT
RAISES THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT WE
WOULD DO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAD
FEVERS.
FEVERS. WHAT YOU’VE DESCRIBED IS THIS
SORT OF TEMPORARY HOSPITALS
WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MILD OR
MODERATE ILLNESS, HAVE TO LEAVE
THEIR FAMILIES, PEOPLE WHO HAVE
FEVERS AND GET DIAGNOSED, EVEN
JUST MILD CASE, NEED TO BE
ISOLATED OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOME,
AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WA
BE, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT
LOGISTICAL STEP YOU WOULD NEED
IN ORDER FOR IT TO MAKE SENSE TO
SCREEN PEOPLE FOR FEVER, RIGHT?
>> YES.
>> YES. LOOK, THIS IS TOUGH.
YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS AS AN OPEN
CARRY ISSUE.
CARRY ISSUE. IS IT SAFE TO WALK INTO A
GROCERY STORE WHILE OPENLY
CARRYING A FEVER?
YOU’RE IN ENDANGERING THE OTHER
PEOPLE IN THE STORE.
YOU KNOW, YOU YOURSELF MAY NOT
EVEN RECOGNIZE THAT YOU’RE SICK.
THE FEVER IS NOT THAT YOU’RE IN
ISOLATION, THE FEVER IS YOU’RE
TAKEN FOR A TEST TO SEE WHAT THE
CAUSE OF YOUR FEVER IS.
THEY TRY TO PULL OUT FLU AND
THEY TRY TO PULL OUT THE
POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING
OTHERWISE, AND SAYING OKAY, IF
YOU HAVE CORONAVIRUS, WE WILL
PUT YOU IN ISOLATION.
AND YOU’RE FREE FOR YOUR OWN
PROTECTION.
PROTECTION. NOT EVERY CASE IS MILD.
YOU PROBABLY SAW THE VIDEO
TODAY, I MEAN I HAD AN EMAIL
FROM A FAMILY OF A 25-YEAR-OLD
GUY, VERY ATHLETIC YOUNG MAN, HE
IS IN INDUCED COMA AND ON A
VENTILATOR NOW, AND HE CAN’T GET
GILEAD’S DRUG AND THERE IS A
12-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN GEORGIA WHO
IS NOW, MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE IT,
THIS NOTION THAT IT IS ALL, THIS
NOTION THAT IT IS ALL ONLY GOING