Joining me now to talk
about the importance of Michelle Troconis in this case
is crime profiler and forensics expert, Dr. Casey Jordan.
So thank you so much for being here.
Happy to be here.
Nancy of course is still with us as well.
Now we clearly have seen throughout the police reports
that Michelle Troconis was in and around this.
What do you think her role in this was
based on what she has said
and what the police surveillance footage, all of this?
What do you think her role has been?
Well, keep in mind that she's been described
by Fotis' attorney, as the lying lover.
So we've always know that this is his girlfriend,
this is the woman he lives with.
The big question is
how much did she know?
Did she just taper with evidence,
which is all that she's been charged with so far,
or was she an aider, abetter, a coconspirator?
One of the things that we've seen
certainly in the divorce papers
and heard about the relationship
and the disillusion of the marriage
is that he was a very controlling sort of person.
And if you extend that onto his relationship with her,
has the court of public opinion already come in
and convicted her of being involved in this from the get go?
You know you raise an interesting question,
if he was that controlling with Jennifer,
is he that controlling with Michelle?
But the problem is Michelle has been lying from the outset
and she has not been playing the role
of the girlfriend
who is psychologically or emotionally abused.
She lied for him from the outset,
those alibi scripts.
She helped him write them out.
She lied to police
and said she was in the shower with him.
She only,
when she's confronted with the truth,
does she retract and backpedal
and say okay, maybe I was mistaken.
As a profiler,
do you believe that he is behaving
as a husband who's mother of his children is gone missing?
Is this clicking the way it should with you?
Do you think he's telling the truth
or is he showing deceptive behavior?
Well, he's extremely smooth,
extremely practiced
and we see that with a lot of narcicisstic behavior.
He recently did a very public nationwide interview
and in it he doesn't say much
but if you watch when he answers those questions
and you know just the very basics
about eye movement from people who are lying
that right handed people,
if they are being deceptive
will very often look to the right
if they're making things up
and look to the left
if they're recalling facts.
When you watch his eye movement,
I detected deception.
Nancy, what was your gut level
when you were watching him speak
in press conference or interview?
Very much like Dr. Casey just told us.
Now I'm not relying on him blinking
or looking this way or that way
but I know one thing,
they were not having a sexy shower with a loofah
at the time Michelle Troconis said so.
I have spent a lot of my career in deception detection.
I do look at how he says what he says
and my take of him
in every interview, press conference or whatever
is that he's very constricted,
which means he's really closed up
and holding it in
and his cognitive load is very high.
And what I mean by that is
if I say to you,
doctor is there any reason
somebody might've told me
they saw you near the crime scene last night?
If you weren't there,
you don't have to think about it.
You just say no.
But if you were there,
you take a minute to run through in your mind, let's see,
uh, no
and you have to form a lot of cognitive operations
before you can answer.
And they ask him what he thought people would think of him
and he said very specifically,
I know what I have done
and what I have not done.
Now that's an odd way to answer that question.