CHRIS
CHRIS WENT THERE TO DISCUSS THE FACTS.
FACTS.
FACTS. >>
FACTS. >> Reporter: WHY SHOULDN'T 100
OR 90% OF THE JOBS IN WOMEN'S
BASKETBALL GO TO WOMEN?
>> Reporter: NOTRE DAME COACH
MUFFET McGRAW HAS BEEN 29 FINAL
FORCE.
FORCE.
FORCE. BUT THIS MOMENT WASN'T ABOUT
BASKETBALL.
BASKETBALL. THIS WAS PERSONAL.
FOR A DEEPER LOOK AT THE
SITUATION RETURNED TO DR. NICOLE
AVOID, DIRECTOR OF THE TUCKER
CENTER FOR RESEARCH ON GIRLS
AND WOMEN IN SPORTS.
WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON WHAT SHE
SAID?
SAID?
SAID? >>
SAID? >> I WANTED TO STAND UP AND
CHEER.
CHEER.
CHEER. WHEN COACH McGRAW COMES IN
EXPLICITLY CALLS OUT THAT SHE
HAS DONE HIRING MEN, A LOT OF
PEOPLE CRITICIZE HER AND THERE
HAS BEEN A LOT OF BACKLASH.
BUT THIS IS WHAT MEN ON THE
MEN'S SIDE HAVE BEEN DOING
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME.
IS THAT THEY PREDOMINANTLY HIRE
OTHER MEN, AND NO ONE QUESTIONS
IT. IT SEEMS NORMAL.
>> Reporter: YUKON'S LEGENDARY
COACH QUESTIONED McGRAW'S
COMMENTS, FIRING BACK THAT HE
HOPES SHE "SENDS A THANK YOU TO
ALL THOSE GUYS THAT USED TO BE
ON HER STAFF THAT GOT HER ALL
THOSE GOOD PLAYERS THAT WON A
CHAMPIONSHIP."
CHAMPIONSHIP." >> LAST YEAR SHE HAD AN ALL
FEMALE COACHING STAFF SO THAT
IS NOT EVEN ACCURATE.
>> Reporter: EVERY YEAR THE
TUCKER CENTER GIVES THAT A
REPORT CARD WHERE THEY GREAT
COLLEGES BASED ON HOW MANY
FEMALE COACHES COACH FEMALE
SPORTS.
SPORTS.
SPORTS. YOUR CURRENT WOMEN'S FINAL FOUR
TEAMS GOT SCORES OF C, F, D,
AND B. IN THE CASE OF BAYLOR
ACCORDING TO THE TUCKER CENTER,
78% OF WOMEN'S ATHLETICS ARE
COACHED BY MEN.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY
UNAWARE THAT A 1972 WHEN TITLE
IX PASSED 90% OF WOMEN WERE
COACHED BY WOMEN.
TODAY THAT NUMBER HAS STEADILY
DECLINED. IT IS NOW STAGNANT AT
AROUND 41.8%.
AROUND 41.8%. >> Reporter: THE MAJORITY OF
COACHES IN COLLEGE WOMEN'S
SPORTS ARE NOT WOMEN.
>> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> Reporter: THE QUESTION IS,
AND IT IS THE MAGIC QUESTION.
WHY?
WHY?
WHY? WHY
WHY? WHY IS THAT DECLINING?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I GET THAT QUESTION A LOT,
CHRIS, ABOUT WHY DID IT DECLINE
AND WHY IS IT STAGNANT?
THE ANSWER IS REALLY
COMPLICATED.
COMPLICATED. IT IS A COMPLEX WEB OF BARRIERS
IN THE SYSTEM THAT HAVE TO DO
WITH POWER AND ACCESS AND
OPPORTUNITY IN DIFFERENT GENDER
IDENTITIES, AND MOTHERHOOD, AND
RACE, AND SEXUAL IDENTITY.
IT IS COMPLICATED.
>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK
EXCLUSION IS THE RIGHT TOOL TO
GET MORE INCLUSION?
>> WHEN WOMEN ARE COACHED BY
WOMEN THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO
GO INTO COACHING.
WHEN WOMEN THIS THE OTHER WOMEN
IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP IT
IS MORE LIKELY THEY SEE THAT AS
A VIABLE CAREER PATHWAY, AND
THAT IS IMPORTANT.
>> THAT IS A LOADED TOPIC,
RIGHT?
RIGHT?
RIGHT? >>
RIGHT? >> I WANT TO SAY THIS ABOUT
WHAT COACH McGRAW SAID, TOO.
YOU'VE GOT TO WATCH HER
COMMENTS IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IT IS JUST A MINUTE SO IT IS
NOT A LONG TIME.
SHE EXPANDS ON THAT.
YOU'D HEARD HER TALK ABOUT 5%
OF THE CEOS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE
WOMEN.
WOMEN.
WOMEN. HALF OF THE POPULATION IS
FEMALE BUT 20% OF THE HOUSE
NUMBERS ARE FEMALE.
25% OF THE SENATE.
SO SHE IS TALKING ABOUT A
DISPARITY THAT WOMEN ARE HALF
OF THE POPULATION, BUT NOT
REPRESENTATIVE IN POSITIONS OF
POWER.
POWER.
POWER. I
POWER. I THINK SHE IS NOT TRYING TO BE
EXCLUSIONARY IN A WAY OF I HATE
MEN, SHE IS TRYING TO SAY I CAN
CHANGE MY SANDBOX.
>> YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT
SHE IS SAYING.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE AND
HOW YOU TAKE IT, RIGHT?
I UNDERSTAND HOW SOME PEOPLE
FEEL THIS CREMATED AGAINST BY
THIS BUT I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND
WHERE IT COMES FROM A PLACE OF
COMPASSION AND SUPPORT.
I TALKED TO SOME ATTORNEYS
ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID.
WE HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF 64.
YOU CAN'T NOT HIRE SOMEBODY OR
PLACE OF WORK BECAUSE OF
RELIGION, RACE, COLOR, SEX POINT
THEY SAID THIS COULD BE GROUNDS
FOR A LAWSUIT BECAUSE SHE JUST
SAID IT.
SAID IT.
SAID IT. SHE DISPROVED SHE COULD DO IT.
SO SOMEONE TO BE THE OTHER WAY
AND SAY WHAT ABOUT MEN NOT
HIRING WOMEN QUESTION MARK IS
AT THE SAME THING?
IT IS HARD TO PROVE IN COURT.
>> WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE
TIME IN THE CITY SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT WHY DO WE NOT SEE A
FEMALE COACHING THAT MEN'S TEAM
IN THE NBA?
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.>> DO
YOU KNOW WHAT MOST MEN SAY IN
THE COMMENT SECTION QUESTION
THEY HIRE THE BEST CANDIDATE.
YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME IT
IS THE BEST CANDIDATE RIGHT?
BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT McGRAW.
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