so zero dark thirty uh... his movies said is of course one of the man hunt
for a bit modern you know i understand from our move your grier's i want the
flight that is that really great movie actually all but it has once again issue
which is that it's ours
with uh... torture
and the senate intelligence committee has concluded without a doubt
that uh... torture was not involved
and getting material information barrett
allowed us to capture of some of the lot
if you want to really carefully has been made with points out
uh... that
it does not say that the torture led to the took the evidence like i've been
locked
by focusing on a first along through the time to begin in the movie
it leaves the impression
that torture helped to get them off
so why are they do then i mean
uh... marple who's a writer of this movie and and kathryn bigelow is one on
screen of the won oscars for uh...
prabhakar
uh... brag all the time about how close they are to the fact so why are they
stray from the facts on this
in fact one marple was asked about he said look man it's not a documentary is
a movie
so why are you so close all the plant is spent
you know of soul which time the every single looking cranny orbital others
compound right all they got the tiles writing out the paintings on the wall
right
they got all that right by bush we spent a half an hour talking about torture
you know that inevitably with capturing them on
i'm a little details right but
this huge major portion of the movie is at least misleading
l_a_ times editor mcdermott
wrote an op ed there at least in the uh... in the l_a_ times which i thought
was
really on point
he said unfortunately we of course and
the culture so much
torture or it all these cases did not work
and
it wound up
getting to a point where we use that so much
that we had to begin justifying
you know all add my portion of that analysis which is cognitive dissonance
you know if you've study psychology no witnesses
and see if you do something that you didn't want to do
uh... then you begin to justify an m doing a really rough explanation here
that concept but
by thinking like fine had to do that yeah i i was well that i wasn't in favor
of it
opposing counsel but i wasn't in favor of it
if you pay somebody a lower amount for example a psychological tests
to do something they don't want
they wind up
justified in their head by say no i must want to do it in the first place
became a higher amount they provided for the month
so it's a fascinating psychological phenomenon i believe that's probably
what's happening to the whole country mckay support to america's awesome
and we did torture
and now we all know we waterboarding there's no question about that on
waterboarding is torture
by international law u_s_ law etcetera
well then i guess we must lamented that it must be that torture is great
so then how here we have a movie that says all of their torturous asap it
but it's not sense
and i've said this before khalid sheik mohammed we what aboard a modern eighty
three times and what a morning associate cessful one worked on their first time
the second time
the hundred and eighty second time
i mean how successful could anything be you get it three times
and now
in that same op ed by uh... terry mcdermott is in
unnamed f_b_i_ official
the counterterrorism agent actually
who said something that i don't know if he's joking or not
there's no indication the article that he's joking but it's so
unbelievable that you wonder right
so let me give you a quote from the f_b_i_ counterterrorism agent
collision muhammad apparently in their id o all through all their torture
chemo all sorts of information
one great majority the overwhelming majority which was completely and
utterly false that we already know
but here's the detail quote
he has chasing the gun and decent central park
cassie said some of them had explosive stuffed up their ass
now that is true
that is both the saddest and funniest thing i've ever heard
it's literally
a wild goose chase
if he actually got f_b_i_ agents
to check copy and send a message it's
then we got a pack up the whole operation on that alone
i'm making you think about backward sample
how little courtroom works
and everybody who's been torching including senator john mccain of arizona
says the same thing
you'll say anything to get it to stop
it as a matter of its troy faults
and the khalid sheik mohammed in their waterboarding over a hundred times
ones you mess with that
but every time you know one piece of information true or false
and they can work on a usually for you
years later
they can just be like okay commission monitor the thing about pakistan go
verified me come back overnight it's not twenty four times your dark thirty it
takes in years to verify the information
so wouldn't you make up stop
can you tell others it's possible to use that since i'm from bart
of course your work
is that you tell i'm something what is that we have to do
well they got to go on that case
'cause they don't want to say well khalid sheik mohammed told us on the
after we tortured him
or after the c_i_a_ torture them
or after the private contractors hired by the c_i_a_ toward freedom and we
didn't do anything about it when you follow up on an abrasion getting a lot
of trouble you gotta go cover your ass
the federal government is is that
this is what happened
and by the way
i've it should be other stories in the past where the f_b_i_ said
workmen
we spend so much time chasing false leads it wasn't shaayad waste of time
well we got a had injures working on real counter-terrorism inside the united
states
this is what happens when you torture people isps
and i agree with mcdermott a discourse and our ideals
and by the way now dad insulted entry
khalid sheik mohammed about a mcdermott wrote the book on khalid sheik mohammed
thingy literally it's got a book the hunt for tests and that's
khalid sheik mohammed inside the pursuit intake down
of the real nine eleven mastermind khalid sheik mohammed and by the way
that p
been london planned the details
can send it
and we go out and then when we got a my was ecstatic and i remember doing the
show same and this is the guy and we got into this terrific ok and we by the way
all these years muslim brought on the justice
yeah we did the torturing etcetera
force was a try membrane had just for one more insult than injury here
on how they have
sully the name of america in the read
ticketless pursuits of torture
uh... ali abdul aziz only is collegiate muhammad's matthew
well just in case he had information we tortured him too
now he's about to go to trial and he wants to talk about how that was in the
trial
our government says you are a lot
it states secret
evidence
how we tortured
so you are not to bring up later on trial that you were tortured
in fact you are not allowed to testify about it
'cause the victims recollection of his own torture is a state secret
this is the orwellian government
we now have