Many of Trump's allies are
coming out
to defend him,
including, of course, one of his sons.
They said we're no better
than some of these third world
countries around the world.
You know,
we are literally trying to imprison
political opponents.
We're better than this.
Eric Trump, I'd like you to meet.
Well, Eric Trump,
this first different
than the first verse.
Everyone
Maybe lock her up goes to lock him up.
I don't know.
I might
lock him up.
I don't know.
I like lock her up a little bit more.
If that was gone awry
or if that was anybody
in the Trump family
and we lied on a federal forum,
we'd be in jail
for the rest of our lives.
Eric Trump's brother also once posed
with a picture
of Hillary
Clinton behind bars
That picture was actually on his gun.
By the way,
Eric Trump's wife, well,
once called it fun.
President Trump said yesterday
that Michigan Governor
Gretchen Whitmer needed to lift
coronavirus restrictions
and the crowd started
chanting, lock her up.
He wasn't doing anything,
I don't think, to provoke people
to threaten this woman at all.
He was having fun at a Trump rally.
And Eric Trump's father.
Well,
lock them all up.
It's just awfully good that someone
with the temperament of Donald Trump
is not in charge of the law
in our country
because he could be in jail
Yeah, well, I agree with you.
I used to just be quiet
and I agree with you 100%.
And what about Omar?
Well, she gets caught harvesting
what the hell is going on?
I hope your US attorney is involved.
What? What is going on with Omar?
I've been reading these reports
for two years.
About how corrupt and crooked she is.
Let's get with it.
Let's get with.
All right.
Joining us now, CNN political commentator
and former Trump campaign adviser
David Urban.
And former Democratic governor
of Massachusetts, Deval Patrick.
David, let me start with you.
So, Hillary
Clinton, it's okay,
but not if it's Donald Trump.
Well, Wolf, there's maybe
Eric Trump should go back
and listen to that.
The nineties
Alanis Morissette
song is in an ironic thing.
Maybe.
Maybe he'd get a little
get a good cigar that, you know, it's
not that much more to say about it.
David,
I want to get to Deval in a moment,
but you know Trump
well he's trying to make himself out
to be a martyr today.
What do you think
his mindset is behind the scenes?
So. So.
So, Wolf, you know,
Jake Tapper earlier alluded to this.
You know, there's a there's a famous
Seinfeld episode
where George Costanza says to Jerry,
you know,
if you believe it isn't actually a lie
and And I think that's the case here.
I think the the
the prosecutors
here, the Justice Department,
can have a very tough time
proving the mens rea.
I know there's lots of folks
sitting on your panel
like Norm and others
who think it's going to be
it's going to be easier than that.
But I think they're gonna have
a tough time proving that.
And so I think that Trump is
the former president is
is probably nervous.
I agree with Governor
Christie's assessment that he goes to bed
at night thinking,
oh, shit,
I could actually end up in jail here
at some point.
And that's a real probability
It's interesting, Deval, here's
how the House speaker,
Kevin McCarthy, is characterizing
this historic moment.
Listen,
you're entitled to raise a question.
You're entitled to question
whether it was honest or not.
That's the uniqueness
of the First Amendment.
That's the uniqueness of America.
But you know what?
You shouldn't be prosecuted
for your thoughts.
And the difference here is
when Hillary Clinton said it,
nothing happened to her
when they said it in Georgia's election,
nothing happened to them either.
So, clearly, he incited a mob to attack
the U.S. Capitol.
That's more than just the thought.
How do you counter this narrative?
Well, if you're asking me, Wolf,
first of all,
I think they do have more
than enough
proof in this so-called
speaking indictment.
That Donald Trump knew
that he had lost the election.
But even if he believed
he'd won the election,
that doesn't
justify him setting a mob on the Capitol,
him trying to send fake electors
to disrupt the count and
install himself or continue
his own power.
You know,
if he
if Donald Trump
believed in the Easter Bunny,
it wouldn't justify him,
you know, raiding Easter mass
and turning everybody out. It doesn't.
In some ways, it's secondary.
What he believed, what he what he did
was try to steal the election
and after having lost it to Joe Biden,
and if our nation of laws means
anything, indeed,
if we are governed by laws
and not by personalities,
then it's important
that someone who incites a coup
as Donald Trump
and his coconspirators
did face the consequences of our laws.
You know, Deval we learned
just the other day that former
President Obama
privately warned Warren Biden
at a private luncheon
they had not to underestimate Trump's
political strength.
Do you think Biden is underestimating?
I don't know.
And I and I in in a way
I don't care, Wolf.
And I say that respectfully.
I think President Biden
is doing a wonderful, wonderful job.
And I think part of his
of his good service
is to let the Justice Department
do its job.
Without without interference.
And I know Merrick Garland.
I know his respect for the institution.
I know his care.
You know,
I wish that this whole prosecution
and particularly
the assignment
of the special prosecutor
had come earlier than it did.
But it came in many respects
when it should have
and and we are where we are
because of the care
that DOJ has taken
and taken independently.
And I think that's enormously important.
It is very important indeed.
David, 2024
Republican candidate
Ron DeSantis made a promise
if he's elected president.
Listen to this.
And then on bureaucracy,
you know, we're going to have
all these deep state people.
You know,
we're going to
start slitting throats on day one
and be ready to go.
You're going to see a huge, huge
outcry
because Washington
wants to protect its own.
But at the end of the day,
this is a city that's failed.
This country
So, David,
what do you make of that comment
regarding the federal workforce?
Yes, so so so, Wolf,
obviously red meat, right?
Red meat for the base.
I heard a visit from a swami on earlier
on the program saying he's
going to dismantle the FBI.
And I think
functionally, it's just impossible to do.
Right.
I know that
they're probably many Americans
who could question
the size of the federal bureaucracy,
the federal government,
and and think that it could be
slimmed down. Right.
Obviously,
I think there are a lot of folks
who think they know.
Well,
there's bad
bad weather events in Washington, D.C.
that have,
you know, nonessential personnel,
you know,
don't don't show up for work today.
And they think, well,
that should be the federal government
should be slimmed down to that size.
Or if those essential personnel are.
And I think that's
that's a legitimate complaint.
But the the way to vocalize
that, I don't believe is is
it's, you know, call for heads
on pikes after Election Day.
David
Urban and Deval Patrick, gentlemen,
thank you very, very much.