WHAT THEY SEE. >> THIS IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN
SAYING FOR DAYS.
YOU CAN’T COMPLICATE SOMETHING
THAT IS PRETTY BASIC.
NOW TO MIKE POMPEO’S ROLE IN
THAT JULY 25th PHONE CALL
BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE
PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE THAT IS NOW
AT THE CENTER OF AN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. A SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT
OFFICIAL TELLS THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL" AND NBC NEWS HAS COP
FIRMED THE REPORTING THAT POMPEO
WAS AMONG THE ADMINISTRATION
OFFICIALS WHO LISTENED IN ON THE
PHONE CALL.
PHONE CALL. POMPEO’S PARTICIPATION ON THE
CALL HASN’T BEEN PREVIOUSLY
REPORTED.
REPORTED. IN INTERVIEWS LAST WEEK, POMPEO
SAID THAT HE HADN’T READ THE
WHISTLEBLOWER’S COMPLAINT IN ITS
ENTIRETY BUT MAINTAINED THAT
ACTIONS BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT
HAD BEEN ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
>> "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" IS
REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
PRESSED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH RUDY
GIULIANI TO INVESTIGATE JOE
BIDEN’S SON.
BIDEN’S SON. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE
CONVERSATIONS?
CONVERSATIONS? >> SO YOU JUST GAVE ME A REPORT
ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT,
NONE OF WHICH I’VE SEEN.
>> ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT NONE
OF YOUR STAFF, THAT YOU OR NONE
OF YOUR STAFF DID ANYTHING
IMPROPER IN THIS WHOLE
SITUATION?
SITUATION? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. >> SO, MAN, I HAVEN’T HAD A
CHANCE TO ACTUALLY READ THE
WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT YET.
I READ THE FIRST COUPLE OF
PARAGRAPHS AND THEN GOT BUSY
TODAY.
TODAY. BUT I’LL ULTIMATELY GET A CHANCE
TO SEE IT.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IT’S
FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD SECOND-HAND
KNOWLEDGE.
KNOWLEDGE. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
AND FROM WHAT I’VE SEEN SO FAR,
EACH OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE
UNDERTAKEN BY STATE DEPARTMENT
OFFICIALS WAS ENTIRELY
APPROPRIATE.
APPROPRIATE. >> I DON’T KNOW --
>> COME ON.
>> I DON’T KNOW WHICH ONE OF
THOSE CLIPS IS MORE INSULTING.
HE GUISE
HE GUISE HE LIES IN BOTH.
IN THE SECOND HE WAS TALKING
ABOUT FROM WHAT HE UNDERSTOOD
THE WHISTLEBLOWER HAD
SECOND-HAND KNOWLEDGE.
SECOND-HAND KNOWLEDGE. AND YET THERE HE WAS.
>> HE WAS IN THE ROOM.
>> ON THE PHONE LISTEN TOGETHER
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. HE KNOWS MORE THAN ALL OF US
KNOW RIGHT NOW AND YET HE LIED
TO THOSE REPORTERS.
AND LET’S JUST PLAY THE FIRST
CLIP AGAIN BECAUSE, AGAIN,
IT’S --
IT’S -- >> YOU CAN SEE HIM STRUGGLING.
>> IT’S NOT JUS THE LYING, IT’S
THE ARROGANCE.
THE ARROGANCE. IN BOTH CASES HE LAUGHS OFF THE
QUESTION.
QUESTION. HE’S SO ARROGANT.
AND HE’S SO SNIDE.
OH, YOU’RE ASKING ME A QUESTION
THAT HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT.
I’M SORRY, PLAY THE CLIP AGAIN.
>> "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" IS
REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
PRESSED THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH RUDY
GIULIANI TO INFORMANT JOE
BIDEN’S SON.
BIDEN’S SON. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE
CONVERSATIONS?
CONVERSATIONS? >> SO YOU JUST GAVE ME A REPORT
ABOUT A WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT,
NONE OF WHICH I’VE SEEN.
>> WILLIE, I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO
START THERE.
START THERE. YOU JUST GAVE ME A REPORT AND,
AGAIN, SHE ASKED HIM A SPECIFIC
QUESTION OF WHAT DO YOU KNOW
BETHE CONVERSATION?
BETHE CONVERSATION? >> HE WAS THERE.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> HE WAS LISTENING IN TO THE
CONVERSATION AND YET LIED TWO
TIMES THERE.
TIMES THERE. ONCE AT THE U.N. SAYING I HAVE
WORK TO DO, I’M BUSY AND THIS
WAS JUST SECOND-HAND KNOWLEDGE.
AGAIN, JUST SHOWS THE
EXTRAORDINARY BAD FAITH THAT THE
PRESIDENT AND ALL THE
PRESIDENT’S MEN ARE ENGAGED IN
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. IN ANY PAST ADMINISTRATION.
>> AND THIS IS WHAT THE MEDIA’S
UP AGAINST IS WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE
UP AGAINST.
UP AGAINST. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THEY’RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU
THE TRUTH AND YOU HAVE TO ASSUME
THAT.
THAT. >> IN ANY PAST ADMINISTRATION,
THE SECRETARY OF STATE LYING
LIKE THAT WOULD BE FIRED.
IN ANY PAST ADMINISTRATION
EXCEPT MAYBE THE NIXON
ADMINISTRATION, AN ATTORNEY
GENERAL THAT HAS LIED AS MUCH.
>> LOST CREDIBILITY.
>> AND COMMITTED PERJURY IN
FRONT OF UNITED STATES CONGRESS
WOULD BE FIRED.
YOU WERE EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE ARE NOW AT A POINT WHERE WE
HAVE TO ASSUME THE SECRETARY OF
STATE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
THE VICE PRESIDENT, THEY’RE ALL
IN ON THIS AND THEY’RE ALL
LYING.
LYING. WHY?
WHY? BECAUSE THEY’VE ALREADY PROVEN
IT TO US.
IT TO US. >> AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE,
EDDIE, LAUGHED RIGHT TOY DON’T
KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT,
I HAVEN’T SEEN THIS REPORT.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS IT’S
SECOND-HAND AND HEARSAY.
SO HE HASN’T READ THE REPORT
BECAUSE HE KNOWS AUGHT ORDER HE
SHOULD BE ATTACKING IT.
HE SAID I WAS SENT THERE BY THE
STATE DEPARTMENT WHEN HE WENT TO
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE
YOU HAVE THE HEAD OF THE STATE
DEPARTMENT ON THE CALL HELPING
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECT THIS BACK
AND FORTH, WITH QUID PRO QUO
WITH UKRAINE.
WITH UKRAINE. >> WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THE
PROBLEM THAT WE LOCATE
PRINCIPALLY WITH TRUMP IS NOT
SIMPLY TRUMP, TRUMP’S PROBLEM.
THAT LYING WITH IMPUNITY IS, IN
FACT, THE CULTURE OF THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. THAT TRUTH, THAT OLD COLBERT
WORD HAS BECOME THE ORDER OF THE
DAY.
DAY. IT SEEMS TO ME WHEN YOU COMBINE
THIS CULTURE OF LYING WITH THIS
DEEP DISTRUST OF GOVERNMENT THAT
RUNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY,
RIGHT, IT SEEMS THAT WE’RE IN A
MOMENT OF INTENSE CRISIS.
NOT JUST SIMPLY WITH THEM AND
ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN, BUT
THIS CRISIS IN TERMS OUR
DEMOCRACY AS SUCH.
BECAUSE YOU’VE GOT TO HAVE TRUST
AS THE BASIS, AS THE FOUNDATION
FOR DEMOCRATIC DELIBERATION.
WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS LYING TO YOU
DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND FOLKS NOT
TRUSTING WHAT’S COMING OUT OF
THEIR MOUTHS, I DON’T KNOW HOW
WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STAGE.
>> YOU KNOW, DONNY DEUTSCH, WE
PREDICTED THAT 2008 FOR THE
PREDICTED HOW 2018 FOR THE HOUSE
WOULD BE BAD.
MIKA WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW
REPUBLICANS WOULD HELP THEM WIN
THE SENATE.
THE SENATE. BUT IN THIS CASE IT’S SO VERY
OBVIOUS THAT THE REPUBLICAN
BRAND EVERY DAY IS BEING
TARNISHED BADLY BY POMPEO LYING,
BARR LYING, THE PRESIDENT LYING.
ALL OF THIS, IT’S ONE SCANDAL
AFTER ANOTHER.
AFTER ANOTHER. BY THE WAY, AGAIN, THESE ARE
SCANDALS THAT ARE UNFOLDING IN
PLAIN VIEW OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IF THIS WERE A DEEP STATE
CONSPIRACY, 55% OF AMERICANS
WOULD SUPPORT AN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. THESE NUMBERS WOULDN’T -- SO
THIS IS WHAT -- THIS IS WHAT I
WANT TO KNOW.
WHEN DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,
WHETHER DO REPUBLICAN SENATORS,
WHEN DO REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS
INSTEAD OF RETIRING, BECAUSE
THEY DON’T WANT TO LOSE IN 2020,
ARE PUT
ARE PUT OR PUT UP WITH DONALD TRUMP
ANYMORE, WHAT WHEN DO THEY SAY,
HEY, WAIT A SECOND, WE NEED TO
GET RID OF THESE GUYS THAT ARE
LIGHTNING LYING ON NATIONAL TV
EVERY DAY, DAMAGING OUR
REPUTATION AND WE CAN GET NIKKI
HALEY OR MARCO RUBIO OR, YOU
KNOW, JOHN THUNE OR, YOU KNOW,
YOU NAME IT.
WE COULD FIND OTHER PEOPLE WHO
ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, MITT ROMNEY,
OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON’T MAKE
LYING THEIR M.O. EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, WHEN DO THEY DO THAT?
BECAUSE YOU’VE WORKED WITH
BRANDS THAT HAVE FACED CRISES
AND THEY HAD TO GET RID OF THEIR
CEO AND BRING IN NEW CEOs AND
CLEAN THINGS UP.
AT WHAT POINT DO REPUBLICANS
JUST SAY, HEY, IT IS TIME?
>> YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THAT MOVIE
MAYOR THAN MAN WHERE IS IT SAFE?
IS IT SAFE?
I THINK WE’RE GETTING TO THAT
POINT WHERE IT’S SAFE FOR
REPUBLICANS.
REPUBLICANS. YOU USE THE WORD UNFOLDING.
IN THE LAST DAY SIX STORIES
RANGING FROM THE PRESIDENT
TWEETING ABOUT CIVIL WAR, SAYING
THAT ADAM SCHIFF SHOULD BE HELD
FOR TREASON, WHICH MEANS
EXECUTED.
EXECUTED. RUDY GIULIANI IS BEING
SUBPOENAED.
SUBPOENAED. WE FOUND OUT BARR WAS OVER IN
ITALY.
ITALY. WE FOUND THE PRESIDENT WAS ON
WITH THE AUSTRALIAN PRIME
MINISTER TRYING TO GET MORE
DIRT.
DIRT. THIS IS JUST ONE DAY.
I DO BELIEVE, AND EVERYBODY
KEEPS SAYING OH, THE REPUBLICANS
NEVER GOING TO APPEAL.
NEVER GOING APPEAL.
FOR THE EXACT REASON YOU SAID,
NOT ONLY DOES IT GET TO A POINT
WHERE YOU CAN’T RUN COVER, THEY
SEE EVEN IF HE DOESN’T GET
IMPEACHED OUT OF OFFICE, HE’S A
LOSER IN 2020 AND LET’S START TO
GET BEHIND IT.
NIKKI HALEY BEATS EVERY DEMOCRAT
THAT’S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
MITT ROMNEY BEATS EVERY DEMOCRAT
THAT’S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
>> EVERY SINGLE ONE.
>> AND THAT, TO ME -- I THINK
WE’VE JUST SEEN THE OPENING
CREDITS OF THIS STUFF.
ALL OF THE STAFFERS THAT ARE
INVOLVED HAVE LAWYERED UP
ALREADY.
ALREADY. THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF
ACT THREE.
ACT THREE. AND WE’RE ALREADY CLOSE TO 50%
THRESHOLD MARK.
THRESHOLD MARK. SO I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE
AT SOME POINT, NOBODY WANTS
DONALD TRUMP -- THEY DON’T WANT
DONALD TRUMP THERE WERE WE KNOW
THAT.
THAT. JEFF FLAKE SAID 35 SENATORS IF
HE VOTED PUBLICLY THEY DON’T
WANT HIM THERE.
AND I DON’T THINK WE ARE THAT
FAR -- IT WAS INTERESTING, MITCH
McCONNELL SAID YESTERDAY, YES, I
WOULD TAKE THE IMPEACHMENT TO
THE SENATE.
THE SENATE. I WAS ASSUMING HE WAS GOING TO
DO MERRICK GARLAND.
THERE’S A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM IN
THERE.
THERE. DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE
SENATE?
SENATE? I THINK WE’RE SEEING THE CRACKS
AND I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF
IN 2020 WE DON’T SEE THAT THE
REPUBLICAN CANNED DATE IS NIKKI
HALEY.
HALEY. >> GENE, IT’S NOT LIKE THE BASE
IS WITH THESE OTHER PEOPLE, MITT
ROMNEY OR NIKKI HALEY.
YOU HAVE IN DONALD TRUMP A GUY
WHO IN THE LAST DECADE GAVE
MONEY TO ANTHONY WEINER, GAVE
MONEY TO ELLIOT SPITZER, GAVE
MONEY TO KAMALA HARRIS, YES, IN
2014.
2014. GAVE MONEY TO KAMALA HARRIS.
GAVE NON HILLARY CLINTON EIGHT
TIMES.
TIMES. GAVE MONEY TO ANDREW CUOMO.
HE HAS BEEN A DEMOCRAT.
AND NOW BECAUSE WHAT HE’S DOING,
HE’S GOING TO DESTROY THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY UNLESS THEY GET
THIS LIFETIME DEMOCRAT OUT AND
PUT IN SOMEBODY LIKE NIKKI HALEY
OR MITT ROMNEY OR MARCO RUBIO
WHO HAVE BEEN REPUBLICANS AND,
FOR THE MOST PART, CONSERVATIVES
THEIR ENTIRE LIFE.
>> YEAH, BUT YOU’RE APPEALING TO
REPUBLICANS OF LOGIC AND THAT’S
NOT THE GROUNDS ON WHICH THEY’RE
MAKING THE DECISION TO STICK
WITH TRUMP THUS FAR.
IT’S THEIR FEAR OF, YOU KNOW,
YOU LOOK AT THOSE POLLS AND THE
SHIFT IN THE NUMBERS ON
IMPEACHMENT SUSPECT TRULY
STUNNING.
STUNNING. IT IS LIKE ALMOST OVERNIGHT,
LAST WEEK IT CHANGED.
>> AND BY THE WAY, ONE POLL --
ONE OUT OF THREE REPUBLICANS NFS
ONE POLL ONE OUT OF THREE
REPUBLICANS SUPPORT THE INQUIRY.
THAT’S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AND THAT’S THE ONE THAT, YOU
KNOW, THAT’S THE NUMBER TO LOOK
AT.
AT. BECAUSE IN MOST OF THE POLLS,
YOU KNOW, MOST REPUBLICANS ARE
STICKING WITH THEM AND MOST
REPUBLICANS, AS LONG AS MOST
REPUBLICANS STICK WITH HIM, I
THINK MOST OF OUR REPUBLICAN
ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THEIR
CRAVEN COWARDICE ARE GOING TO
STICK WITH DONALD TRUMP.
BUT HE WAS LISTING THOSE STORIES
FROM YESTERDAY, A LOT OF THEM IN
THE 4:00 HOUR.
NICOLLE WALLACE WAS LIKE A PAPER
HANGER TRYING TO DEAL WITH ALL
THAT BREAKING NEWS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING
POSSIBILITIES ABOUT -- ABOUT
BARR AND POMPEO.
THEY’RE REALLY TWO STORIES HERE.
EITHER THEY’RE BOTH LIKE ALL IN
WITH TRUMP ON THESE CONSPIRACY
THEORIES AND THIS CRAZINESS AND
ILLEGALITY, FRANKLY, THAT HE’S
COMMITTING.
COMMITTING. OR, THEY’RE HUMORING HIM AND
THEY’RE TRYING TO JUST SORT OF
CONTAIN THIS MALEVOLENT FORCE OF
NATURE.
NATURE. EITHER WAY, IT’S AN AWFUL
DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> WELL --
>> AND A DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR
THEM LEGALLY, MIKA.
>> ALSO DANGEROUS THAT HE’S
FOCUSED ON ADAM SCHIFF,
THREATENING AND FOCUSED ON THE
WHISTLEBLOWER.
WHISTLEBLOWER. >> CIVIL WAR.
>> YOU SEE HIM DOTTERING AROUND
THE WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO LOCATE
THE WHISTLEBLOWER.
THE WHISTLEBLOWER. SOMETHING’S REALLY OFF.
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
>> MIKA, THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO
HAS ENCOURAGED VIOLENCE IN THE
PAST SAYING BEAT UP PROTESTERS,
I’LL PAY FOR YOUR LEGAL FEES.
I’VE GOT SOME OF THE TOUGHEST
PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
THE THING IS WHEN HE MAKES THESE
CALLS FOR CIVIL WAR, RANK AND
FILE REPUBLICANS AREN’T GOING TO
LISTEN BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY
UNDERSTAND HOW THIS REPUBLIC
WORKS.
WORKS. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON’T
HAVE GUARDRAILS UP AND HE’S
SENDING A MESSAGE TO THEM TO
COMMIT ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
HE’S SEEN IT BEFORE.
HE’S SEEN IT WITH THE PIPE
BOMBER.
BOMBER. HE’S SEEN IT WITH THE COAST
GUARD PERSON WHO DREW UP A HIT
LIST OF MEDIA MEMBERS AND HIS
DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS.
DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S DOING AND
IT’S GETTING DANGEROUS AND OUT
OF CONTROL.
OF CONTROL. >> THE SOONER MORE ANSWERS COME
OUT, I MEAN WE’VE GOT A LOT, BUT
THIS IS DEFINITELY -- AND IT’S
WEARING ON HIM AND THE BEHAVIOR