THANK YOU.
JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS THIS
AND MORE, SECRETARY OF STATE
MIKE POMPEO.
MR. SECRETARY, WELCOME BACK TO
"FOX NEWS SUNDAY."
>> Secretary Pompeo: IT'S
GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.
>> Chris: PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS
FLATLY THAT IRAN WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE ATTACK ON THOSE TWO
TANKERS AND THE PENTAGON HAS
RELEASED THIS VIDEO, WHICH
APPEARS TO SHOW A REVOLUTIONARY
GUARD CREW MOVING AN UNEXPLODED
MIND FROM THE HOLE OF ONE OF THE
BOATS BUT AS RICH REPORTED,
GERMANY'S FOREIGN MINISTER SAYS
THE VIDEOS NOT ENOUGH IN THE
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHI
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHS
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHH
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHT
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHH
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHE
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHB
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHL
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHE
JAPANESE OWNER OF ONE OF THE SHS
FROM THE CREW THAT IT WAS HIT BY
A FLYING OBJECT, NOT A MINE.
TWO QUESTIONS: HOW CERTAIN ARE
YOU THAT IRAN WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THESE ATTACKS, AND DO YOU
HAVE MORE EVIDENCE THAT YOU CAN
SHARE WITH US?
>> Secretary Pompeo: CHRIS, IS
UNMISTAKABLE WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
THESE WERE ATTACKS BY THE
ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN ON
COMMERCIAL SHIPPING ON THE
FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION WITH THE
CLEAR INTENT TO DENY TRANSIT
THROUGH THE STRAIGHT.
IF THIS WAS ON THE GULF OF OMAN
SIDE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS LOTS
OF DATA, LOTS OF EVIDENCE, THE
WORLD WILL COME TO SEE MUCH OF
IT, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
SHOULD REST ASSURED WE HAVE HIGH
CONFIDENCE WITH RESPECT TO WHO
CONDUCTED THESE ATTACKS, AS WELL
AS HALF A DOZEN OTHER ATTACKS
THROUGHOUT THE WORLD OVER THE
PAST 40 40 DAYS.
>> Chris: I WANT TO TALK TO
ABOUT THAT BECAUSE LAST MONTH
AFTER THE FIRST ATTACK ON FOUR
COMMERCIAL SHIPS,
PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK A VERY HARD
LINE, HERE HE IS.
>> WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH
IRAN.
IF THEY DO ANYTHING IT WOULD BE
A VERY BAD MISTAKE.
IF THEY DO ANYTHING.
I'M HERE IN LITTLE STORIES ABOUT
IRAN.
IF THEY DO ANYTHING, THEY WILL
SUFFER GREATLY, WE WILL SEE WHAT
HAPPENS WITH IRAN.
>> Chris: BUT IRAN AND ITS
SURROGATES, AS YOU NOTED, HAVE
RESPONDED TO THE MAXIMUM
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN WITH MORE
AGGRESSION, NOT LESS, ATTACKING
TANKERS, FIRING MISSILES IN IRAQ
AND INTO SAUDI ARABIA AND
TARGETING U.S. DRONES IN YEMEN
AND THE PERSIAN GULF.
QUESTION, MR. SECRETARY, WHAT'S
THE ADMINISTRATION GOING TO DO
ABOUT IT?
BE TO REMEMBER, CHRIS, WHERE WE
TOOK OVER.
WE TOOK OVER FROM AN
ADMINISTRATION THAT ALLOWED IRAN
TO BUILD ENORMOUS WEALTH, BUILD
A MISSILE PROGRAM, A CLEAR
PATHWAY TO NUCLEAR WEAPON.
IF THIS IS WHERE THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION CAME IN SO WE
WISELY WITHDREW FROM THE JCPOA
AND PUT IN PLACE AND ECONOMIC
PRESSURE CAMPAIGN, ONE THAT
CONTINUES.
WE HAD A VAN ON A NUMBER OF
PETROCHEMICAL COMPANIES JUST
THIS PAST WEEK.
IF PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE
EVERYTHING HE CAN TO AVOID -- WE
DON'T WANT A WAR.
WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN TO DETER
THIS.
THE IRANIANS SHOULD UNDERSTAND
VERY CLEARLY THAT WE WILL
CONTINUE TO TAKE ACTIONS THAT
DETER IRAN FROM ENGAGING IN THIS
BEHIND SOME KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
I MADE A NUMBER OF CALLS TO MY
COLLEAGUES ON THE ROAD, I AM
CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HAVE
PARTNERS THAT UNDERSTAND THIS
THREAT.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, CHRIS,
TOO, VERY LITTLE OF OUR CRUDE
OIL COMES TO THE GULF TUESDAY.
JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA, INDONESIA,
THESE COUNTRIES ARE VERY
DEPENDENT ON FREEDOM OF
NAVIGATION THROUGHOUT THESE
STRAITS AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT
WHEN THEY SEE THE RISK SOME OF
THE RISK OF THEIR OWN ECONOMIES
AND THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND
OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR OF THE
ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN, THEY
WILL JOIN US IN THE SPIRIT
>> Chris: I WANT TO PURSUE
THIS QUESTION OF -- YOU SAY
PERHAPS MORE ACTION AND PERHAPS
MORE INTERNATIONAL ACTION.
THE PENTAGON IS REPORTEDLY
CONSIDERING SENDING AS MANY AS
6,000 MORE TROOPS TO THE AREA
ALONG WITH WARSHIPS, WARPLANES,
SUBMARINES.
IT IS ALSO BEEN TALK ABOUT AN
INTERNATIONAL COALITION TO
ESCORT COMMERCIAL SHIPS THROUGH
THE STRAIGHT.
ARE THOSE ON THE TABLE, AND I
GUESS BASICALLY, HOW FAR IS
PRESIDENT TRUMP PREPARED TO GO?
>> Secretary Pompeo: CHRIS,
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
UNAMBIGUOUS, IRAN WILL NOT GET A
NUCLEAR WEAPON.
THAT'S THE GOAL, THAT THE
OBJECTIVE OF OUR ENTIRE CAMPAIGN
WITH RESPECT TO IRAN AND TO
CREATE STABILITY THROUGHOUT THE
MIDDLE EAST AS PART OF THAT
EFFORT.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE,
OPTIONS THAT AREN'T OUT THERE,
THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE IT VERY
CLEAR WE WILL ACHIEVE THIS
OBJECTIVE.
WE CONTINUALLY UPDATE OPTIONS
FOR THE PRESIDENT.
WE'VE TAKEN A HANDFUL OF THOSE
ACTIONS TO INCREASE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO CONVINCE IRAN
THAT THESE ACTIONS AREN'T IN
THEIR BEST INTERESTS AND IT
APPEARS TO BE IRAN THAT WANTS TO
CONTINUE TO ESCALATE THIS
CONFLICT.
>> Chris: BUT WE SHOULD ASSUME
THAT THE U.S. IS GOING TO
RESPOND?
CLEARLY, AS I SAID, DESPITE THE
MAXIMUM PRESSURE, IRAN SEEMS TO
BE GETTING MORE AGGRESSIVE, NOT
LESS.
>> Secretary Pompeo: WHAT YOU
SHOULD ASSUME IS WE ARE GOING TO
GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION
THROUGHOUT THE STRAIGHT.
THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL
CHALLENGE, IMPORTANT TO THE
ENTIRE GLOBE, THE UNITED STATES
IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
TAKE ALL THE ACTIONS NECESSARY
DIPLOMATIC AND OTHERWISE THAT
ACHIEVE THAT OUTCOME.
>> Chris: MEANWHILE, CONGRESS,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
APPEARS READY TO BLOCK AN
EMERGENCY U.S. ARMS SALE TO
SAUDI ARABIA, WHICH OF COURSE IS
ONE OF THE MAJOR ENEMIES OF
IRAN.
IF THEY GO AHEAD AND DO THAT,
BLOCK THE U.S. ARMS SALE THAT
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS,
WHAT MESSAGE WILL THAT SEND TO
THEM IN TEHRAN?
>> Secretary Pompeo: IT WOULD
BE MOST UNFORTUNATE.
I THINK THE DECISION WE MADE TO
MOVE FORWARD WAS THE RIGHT
DECISION, IT WAS AN IMPORTANT
DECISION.
I THINK THE EVENTS OF THIS PAST
WEEK ARE ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT
EVIDENCE.
I THINK WHERE 40 YEARS OF
HISTORY BUT EVEN THESE PAST 40
DAYS DEMONSTRATE THE MALIGN
ACTIVITY THAT PUTS THIS OUT AT
RISK.
YOU WILL MEMBER JUST THIS PAST
WEEK AND IRANIAN BACKED EFFORT
OF FLU A MISSILE INTO AN AIRPORT
IN SAUDI ARABIA.
SAUDI ARABIA HAS THE RIGHT TO
DEFEND ITSELF, THE UNITED STATES
WANTS TO SUPPORT OUR PER
IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE PART ON THE
REGION AND I THINK WE LOOK
FORWARD TO THESE ARMS SALES, WE
ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH
FORWARD WITH THEM.
>> Chris: LET'S TURN TO
HONG KONG.
THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE IN HONG KONG
APPOINTED BY BEIJING HAS
ANNOUNCED THAT SHE IS
SUSPENDING, NOT KILLING, BUT
SUSPENDING A BILL OF EXTRADITION
THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE IN
HONG KONG TO BE EXTRADITED TO
THE CHINESE MAINLAND.
THE RESPONSE FOR THE PEOPLE IN
HONG KONG AND THERE WAS A
MASSIVE PROTEST AGAIN TODAY, IS
TO PROTEST THE MEASURE, MILLIONS
OF CITIZENS COMING INTO THE
STREET.
THIS IS A MEASUREMENT WOULD
ALLOW CHINA TO CRACK DOWN ON
CRITICS.
YOU HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THIS
MEASURE, BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
SAID NOTHING CRITICAL ABOUT IT.
HE SIMPLY COMMENTED ABOUT THE
SIZE OF THE DEMONSTRATIONS.
IS HE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT
MAINTAINING HIS RELATIONSHIP
WITH PRESIDENT XI THEN HE IS IN
DEFENDING HUMAN RIGHTS?
>> Secretary Pompeo: THE
PRESIDENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A
VIGOROUS DEFENDER OF HUMAN
RIGHTS.
I THINK WE'LL GET THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SEE PRESIDENT XI
IN JUST A COUPLE WEEKS NOW AT
THE G20 SUMMIT.
I'M SURE THIS WILL BE AMONG THE
ISSUES THAT THEY DISCUSS.
WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUES IN THE WAY
CHINA AND UNITED STATES INTERACT
FOR AN AWFULLY LONG TIME UNDER A
REPUBLICAN, PRESIDENT, WE ALLOW
CHINA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US ON
TRADE AND IN OTHER WAYS, BUT
TRUMP WAS PUSHED BACK VERY
STRONGLY AGAINST THEM.
WAS HE WAS HAPPENING, WHAT'S
UNFOLDING IN HONG KONG.
IF WE ARE WATCHING THE PEOPLE OF
HONG KONG SPEAK ABOUT THE THINGS
THEY VALUE AND WE WILL SEE WHAT
THE DECISIONS ARE IN THE COMING
DAYS AND WEEKS AHEAD.
>> Chris: LET'S TURN TO
ANOTHER SUBJECT, THERE WERE
REPORTS THIS WEEK THAT THE CIA
HAD TURNED THE HALF-BROTHER OF
KIM JONG UN, THE NORTH KOREAN
DICTATOR, INTO A CIA INFORMANT
BEFORE HE WAS MURDERED IN
FEBRUARY OF 2017.
PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEMED TO TELL
KIM THIS WEEK THAT THAT KIND OF
THING WOULDN'T HAPPEN ON HIS
WATCH, TAKE A LOOK.
>> I SAW THE INFORMATION ABOUT
THE CIA WITH RESPECT TO HIS
BROTHER OR HALF-BROTHER AND I
WOULD TELL HIM THAT WOULD NOT
HAPPEN UNDER MY -- I WOULDN'T
LET THAT HAPPEN.
>> Chris: AS THE FORMER HEAD
OF THE CIA, BEFORE YOU TOOK THIS
JOB, AND SOME OF THESE CONTACTS
WITH KIM JONG NAM REPORTEDLY
HAPPENED ON YOUR WATCH, IS THERE
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE U.S.
SPYING ON NORTH KOREA AND EVEN
USING A FAMILY MEMBER TO DO SO?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I NEVER
COMMENT ON INTELLIGENCE MATTERS
IN ANY WAY, I THINK YOU HAD ME
ON WHAT I WAS THE CIA DIRECTOR.
GOING TO STAY THAT WAY TODAY.
THE UNITED STATES IS TAKING ALL
THE ACTIONS THAT IT MEANS TO
TAKE TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND
THE RISKS AND THE THREATS THAT
ARE POSED BY NORTH KOREA AND IN
MY CURRENT ROLE ON WORKING TO
ACHIEVE A DIPLOMATIC OUTCOME BUT
GETS THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS OUT OF
THE HANDS OF A CAREER.
>> Chris: JUST AT THE RISK OF
PRESSING THIS, I UNDERSTAND
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT
YOU'RE DOING, BUT THE PRESIDENT
SEEMED TO IMPLY THAT THERE WERE
SOME KINDS OF SPYING ON
NORTH KOREA, AS HE SAID, THAT
WOULD NOT HAPPEN UNDER HIS
AUSPICES AND I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHY NOT?
>> Secretary Pompeo: WE ARE
TAKING ALL THE EFFORTS NECESSARY
TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
THAT INCLUDES EVERY COUNTRY.
>> Chris: WELL, LET'S TALK
ABOUT ANOTHER COUNTRY, RUSSIA.
THE U.S. IS REPORTING TODAY THAT
THE U.S. HAS INCREASED DIGITAL
INCURSIONS INTO THE ELECTRICAL
GRID OF RUSSIA IN EFFECT TO SEND
A WARNING.
IF YOU DO CYBER ATTACKS ON US,
WE CAN RESPOND AND WE CAN MESS
UP YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED THIS
REPORT IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES,"
AND I WANT TO GET HIS QUOTE
RIGHT, "A VIRTUAL ACT OF
TREASON."
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE
NEW OFFENSIVE AND WHAT YOU HAVE
TO SAY ABOUT
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTING
THIS STORY?
>> Secretary Pompeo: I'VE HAD
MY MOMENTS WITH
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" ON ISSUES
RELATED TO PROTECTING AMERICAN
SECRETS, THEY CALLED OUT BY NAME
AND OFFICE OF THE WORK FOR ME,
CLANDESTINE OFFICER THAT WORKED
FOR ME.
IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS, IT WAS DEEPLY
INCONSISTENT WITH AMERICAN
VALUES AND IT WAS UNNECESSARY.
IT WAS A THROW AWAY.
IT DIDN'T ADD TO THE STORY LINE
AT ONE IOTA AND YET THEY CHOSE
TO DO THAT.
I'VE SEEN THE STORE THIS
MORNING, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
TO SAY ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF
THAT.
I DON'T TALK ABOUT INTELLIGENCE
MATTERS, BUT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR DURING MY NOW
TWO AND A HALF YEARS WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE GOING TO
DO EVERYTHING WE CAN PREVENT ANY
COUNTRY FROM INTERFERING IN ANY
ELECTION IN THE UNITED STATES.
AMERICA WILL CONTINUE TO WORK
OUT OF THAT, I'M PROUD OF THE
WORK THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES, I
ONLY WISH THE PREVIOUS AT
ADMINISTRATION HAVE DONE THE
SAME.
>> Chris: FINALLY, THE
PRESIDENT CREATED QUITE A
CONTROVERSY THIS WEEK WHEN HE
SAID THAT HE SEEMED TO INVITE
OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON HIS
POLITICAL RIVALS IN THE 2020
CAMPAIGN FROM FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS.
HERE'S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> SUMMIT COMES UP AND SAYS HEY,
I HAVE INFORMATION ON YOUR
OPPONENT, YOU CALL THE EFFECT?
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS OVER
MY LIST, I DON'T THINK MY WHOLE
LIFE I'VE EVER CALL THE FBI.
IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
DON'T CALL THE AFFAIR.
SPEAK WITH THE CIA DIRECTOR SAYS
THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
>> THE FBI DIRECTOR IS WRONG.
>> Chris: IS EXCEPTING OPPO
RESEARCH FROM A FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT RIGHT OR WRONG?
>> Secretary Pompeo: YOU ASKED
ME NOT TO CALL ANY OF YOUR
QUESTIONS THAT ARE RIDICULOUS.
YOU CAN REALLY CLOSE RIGHT
THERE.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BEEN VERY
CLEAR.
THE CLARIFIERS ARE MUCH LATER.
HE MADE VERY CLEAR EVEN IN HIS
FIRST COMMENTS HE SAID I WOULD
DO BOTH.
HE SAID I WOULD CALL THE FBI.
>> Chris: HE SAID MAYBE I
WOULD DO BOTH.
>> Secretary Pompeo:
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY
CLEAR THAT HE WILL ALWAYS MAKE
SURE THAT HE GETS IT RIGHT FOR
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I'M
CONFIDENT HE WILL DO THAT HERE
AS WELL.
>> Chris: AT THE RISK OF
GETTING HER IR, THE PRESIDENT
TOLD FOX AND FRIENDS ON FRIDAY,
AND I AGREE HE KIND OF WALKED
BACK --
>> Secretary Pompeo: HE DIDN'T
WALK IT BACK.
>> Chris: HE DID BECAUSE HE
SAID MAYBE ON THURSDAY AND THEN
ON FRIDAY ON "FOX & FRIENDS" HE
SAID HE WOULD LISTEN FIRST AND
IF THE INFORMATION WAS BAD THAT
HE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE FBI OR
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT HE
ALSO MADE IT CLEAR TO GEORGE
STEPHANOPOULOS THAT HE DID NOT
SEE THIS AS FOREIGN
INTERFERENCE.
I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP OF THE
PRESIDENT'S OWN WORDS.
>> I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO
LISTEN, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG
WITH LISTENING.
IF SOMEBODY CALLED FROM A
COUNTRY, NORWAY, WE HAVE
INFORMATION ON YOUR OPPONENT, I
THINK I WANT TO HEAR IT.
>> YOU WANT THAT KIND OF
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTIONS?
>> IT'S NOT AN INTERFERENCE,
THEY HAVE INFORMATION.
I THINK I WOULD TAKE IT.
>> Chris: HE SAYS IT'S NOT
INTERFERENCE, ITS INFORMATION.
THE COUNTRY, SIR, AND I DON'T
HAVE TO TELL YOU, HAS A LONG
HISTORY DATING BACK TO
GEORGE WASHINGTON SAYING THAT
FOREIGN INTERFERENCE IN OUR
ELECTIONS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
>> Secretary Pompeo:
PRESIDENT TRUMP LEAVES THAT TOO.
I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
I CAME ON TO TALK ABOUT FOREIGN
POLICY AND I THINK THE THIRD
TIME YOU'VE ASKED ME ABOUT IT
WASHINGTON PIECE OF SILLINESS,
CHASED DOWN THE STORY THAT IS
INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP DO EVERY SINGLE
DAY.
>> Chris: I WILL LEAVE IT