Do you know when you're lying?
I used to not, but I'm really trying to focus on
before I say something,
to take a minute and try to make sure
that everything I'm saying is 100% honest.
When did that start?
(audience laughs)
Since talking with the show.
Well, that's interesting,
because deception detection is a science.
It's not what you read in People magazine or something,
there's actually a science to this,
and when people lie there's what we call leakage sometimes.
And for example, there's something called duping delight.
It's where people will lie
and they can't control all of their body
and micro expressions in their face and all
while they're controlling their words.
And if you can raise the cognitive load on them
at a particular time,
it creates real problems for 'em.
And there are a few things that,
just a few examples that I picked out of your interview tape
that I would like to take a look at,
where she's telling us things
that she's confessing to with great pride.
She just cant' help from smiling,
frankly, almost breaking out into laughter.
Let's take a look at the first clip.
Around 25, 26 is when I told my first big lie.
And living the lie,
what did you tell people?
That I had cancer.
Alright, play that again,
and this time watch her smile when she says
when I said I had cancer.
Around 25, 26 is when I told my first big lie.
And living the lie,
what did you tell people?
That I had cancer.
She's proud of that.
Absolutely.
There, she's just smiling when she says it.
Let's look at the next one.
I mean, I started off with a husband and two kids,
that was my first husband story lie.
I would tell people that my husband's name was James.
Are you kidding me?
(audience laughs)
I'm lookin' at you now,
and look at you now with the expression that you have now
and let's look at that tape again.
So they're talking about her husband, James,
that doesn't exist.
I mean, I started off with a husband and two kids,
that was my first husband story lie.
I would tell people that my husband's name was James.
Proud moment.
And right after this she brags about
how much mental energy it takes to keep all of this going.
Very proud of that.
It took a lot of mental brain power
to have to keep up the charade.
If you're playing hockey,
and you wanna hold the stick and hit the puck,
you can't do that.
You wanna just grab the stick and do it yourself,
but you have to refrain from doing it.
That's what I call duping delight.
It's like she is saying yeah I lied about cancer,
I lied about my husband, I crafted all of this stuff,
and she just can't keep from...
Yeah my husband James.
Do you see that in yourself?
I see that.
I didn't think that I was laughing about lying
when they were asking those questions.
Yeah, that's why we call 'em micro expressions.
That's why we call it leakage.
It's your unconscious expressing itself
in contradiction to your words.