david packard shell david that dot com welcome to the show
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page we've been talking a lot about
drone warfare
and i want to talk about something else that's going on that surveillance not
warrantless wiretapping but yet another thing
that is going on which is incredibly concerning which is
the defacto exile ng
of americans through the no-fly list now one of my talking about your loss
aligned had an interesting article about this aljazeera
dot com has an interesting article about this essentially what this is
his that by using the no-fly list
but the word ease are
essentially able to subject
american citizens
to defect ill exile or not american citizens that really covers both
by just simply not allowing them to get on planes when they're trying to come
back to the u_s_ from foreign countries there's actually a story about
uh... this is from a few years ago about
breaking that you bring in the p_h_d_ student in construction management in
engineering at stanford university
who whatchu san francisco airport to board a flight to malaysia
and he was going to a conference sponsored by stanford
dismantling it all notable about this
when she was uh... despite being wheelchair-bound taken to
a uh... basically put in handcuffs and taken to an interrogation room
interrogated for several hours by the f_b_i_
she had been placed she was told on the no-fly list with which prevented her
from boarding her flight
eventually she was able to border flight
flew to malaysia went to her conference now
when attempting to come back to the u_s_ she found herself once again detained
unable to board her flight local authorities were were not allowing her
to do that
because they had received authorities from the u_s_ consulate
that she was to be barred from returning home
essentially home
peery they not essentially
and it has now been eight years and eve britt hume has still not been allowed to
come back to the united states
basically banished on
secret evidence which she is not even allowed to see let alone contest any
heat she's trapped in in it's almost like the movie what was that movie were
tom hanks
has no country macedon limbo terminal the terminal
it's essentially like that except it's far more sinister in a sense
and she just she's affectively exiled from the united states
this is not a unique situation is it's happened too many people in the last
year alone the number of people placed by the obama administration on the
no-fly list has doubled over ten thousand at least five hundred of those
are holders of american citizenship this is incredible us
yeah arm
can you can use of the component of the country that's a that's an interesting
thing i don't know i don't know the answer to that that's a ag as it's an
interesting question but by me dot
presumably uh... you know
the shuttle may is this is a brilliant
is bit is detained cities now getting on any transportation break that's that's
is the reality of the situation
four hundred thousand other individuals of indeterminate citizenship are also on
another watch list which is the
reasonably suspicious
and potentially subject
to not flying wasted so much like the next level down now there's a number of
comments about this
the a_c_l_u_ attorney ben with snare
he said people who are protected by the constitution have a right to fundamental
due process if the u_s_ government is going to maintain a watch list to
prevent people from flying there has to be some way for people to confront the
evidence against them andree but it obviously obviously and
i am not the type of individual who likes to go on this show and start
yelling about the new world order
and talking about conspiracies
because they're really kind of unnecessarily can just look at what we
know
and really painted a pretty pretty good still pick picture
of what's going on right now i mean number one
drone warfare with completely subjective standards for who can be targeted by
drones as we talked about yesterday including u_s_ citizens
warrantless wiretapping
storage of email and text messages beyond the time you even still owned the
device you sent those messages on
overshadowed larry rendition
except those with ortiz
extraordinary rendition in the use of c_i_a_ plaque sites to interrogate
people many many times people who have nothing to do with anything
other than sharing having a similar name to somebody who's a person of interest
and defacto exile of
u_s_ citizens in other countries
by just putting them on the no-fly list and letting some other uh... state
organization no don't let him get back on a plane this is this is a d an
incredible situation people are worried
people i have guns to protect themselves from the future distill kia
this is it still be a yeah it seems like uh... with regard to the japanese
this was the type of uh... your paranoia we had in world war two and then of
course bar cold warrior paranoia
and it seems there may be just never went away maybe are paranoid you shift
from one thing to another but it seems that it still by here absolutely dead in
the time how would you what's your opinion on
the give the combination of factors i just i just listed
well i think that the no-fly uh... this no-fly policy would be a very good
whipping republicans uh... out of country promise saw
well today
all right i guess it sound is on a comment seriously because he's so
disturbed by what's going on is that right
i guess uh... i mean this is uh...
this is one of the many things that is
an expansion of federal authority are i'm you know sense nine eleven and
crosses party lines
it crosses party lines of the consensus on a we could bring it up but it's going
to be difficult because there is bipartisan agreement among lawmakers
that of the of the author of the the executive branch has a supporting right
so we're gonna keep following this and we will continue for years about it