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IT WAS ANOTHER DAY OF INCREDIBLY
MIXED MESSAGING FROM THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. THE TENSION AT THE BRIEFING WAS
OBVIOUS AND PAINFUL TO WATCH.
AS THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO
DOWNPLAY THE CONCERNS OF A
SECOND WAVE OF THE CORONAVIRUS
IN THE FALL.
PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE SEVERAL
CLAIMS DURING YESTERDAY’S PRESS
BRIEFING THAT WERE IMMEDIATELY
REFUTED BY DOCTORS AROUND HIM.
HE TRIED TO COAX THEM SEVERAL
TIMES INTO SAYING THE VIRUS MAY
NOT RETURN.
NOT RETURN. IN ANOTHER INSTANT, THE
PRESIDENT CLAIMED THE
"WASHINGTON POST" MISQUOTED THE
CDC DIRECTOR AT THE BEGINNING.
HE FORCED THE CDC DIRECT ETOOR T
GET UP ON STAGE AND REFUTE
HIMSELF, EVEN THOUGH HE
COULDN’T.
COULDN’T. IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
SCREAMING AND THE ARGUING THAT
MUST HAVE HAPPENED DURING THE
DAY LEADING UP TO THAT MOMENT,
WITH THE PRESIDENT ORDERING THE
HEAD OF THE CDC TO TRY AND
CHANGE WHAT HE SAID TO THE
"WASHINGTON POST," EVEN THOUGH
HE BELIEVES WHAT HE SAID TO THE
"WASHINGTON POST" WAS TRUE.
>> TO GIVE BAD MEDICAL ADVICE.
>> IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
>> THIS IS HOW IT PLAYED OUT.
WATCH THIS.
WATCH THIS. >> DR. ROBERT REDFIELD WAS
TOTALLY MISQUOTED IN THE MEDIA
ON A STATEMENT ABOUT THE FALL
SEASON AND THE VIRUS.
TOTALLY MISQUOTED.
TOTALLY MISQUOTED. >> YOU WERE ACCURATELY QUOTED,
CORRECT?
CORRECT? >> I’M ACCURATELY QUOTED IN THE
"WASHINGTON POST."
"WASHINGTON POST." >> WHAT DR. REDFIELD CLEARLY WAS
ASKING FOR, LIKE WE ASK FOR
EVERY AMERICAN, TO FOLLOW THE
GUIDELINES.
GUIDELINES. HE’S SAYING, "PLEASE ADD TO THE
GUIDELINES GETTING YOUR FLU SHOT
AND MAKING SURE YOU’RE
PROTECTED."
PROTECTED." >> THERE IS A CHANCE COVID WILL
NOT COME BACK.
>> WE DON’T KNOW.
>> IF IT COMES BACK, IT IS A
CONFINED AREA THAT WE PUT OUT.
>> WELL, THE GREAT THING IS,
WE’LL BE ABLE TO FIND IT EARLIER
THIS TIME.
THIS TIME. >> IT MIGHT NOT COME BACK AT
ALL.
ALL. IT MAY NOT COME BACK AT ALL.
HE’S TALKING ABOUT A WORST-CASE
SCENARIO, WHERE YOU HAVE A BIG
FLU, AND YOU HAVE SOME CORONA.
IT IS ALL POSSIBLE.
IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT IT
DOESN’T COME BACK AT ALL.
>> WE WILL HAVE CORONAVIRUS IN
THE FALL.
THE FALL. I AM CONVINCED OF THAT.
THERE WILL BE CORONAVIRUS IN THE
FALL.
FALL. >> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
>> I MEAN, JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
I CANNOT WRAP MY ARMS AROUND THE
FACT THAT YOU HAVE NETWORKS THAT
SCREWED UP MONTHS AGO, SAYING
THIS WAS GOING TO BE A HOAX.
THEN THEY SCREWED UP, LIKE,
PUSHING FALSE DRUGS.
NOW, THEY’RE SCREWING UP, SAYING
THIS MIGHT MAGICALLY GO AWAY.
YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SAID,
"THIS IS GOING TO MAGICALLY GO
AWAY.
AWAY. WE ONLY HAVE 15 PEOPLE.
IT’S DOWN TO ZERO."
WILLIE, WHEN DO THESE PEOPLE
LEARN?
LEARN? DONALD TRUMP’S GUT WAS THIS IS
MAGICALLY GOING TO GO AWAY IN
FEBRUARY.
FEBRUARY. THIS IS MAGICALLY GOING TO GO
AWAY.
AWAY. WE HAVE 15 CASES.
IT CAN GO DOWN TO ZERO.
APRIL, IT’LL MAGICALLY GO AWAY.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE, PROBABLY BY
THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MORE
PEOPLE DEAD FROM COVID-19 THAN
DIED IN THE ENTIRE VIETNAM
TRAGEDY.
TRAGEDY. IN THE ENTIRE VIETNAM WAR, MORE
AMERICANS DEAD FROM COVID-19.
THIS THING HE SAID WOULD
MAGICALLY GO AWAY IN APRIL.
THEN WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT
MAGICALLY SAY, "THIS DRUG, I
KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS DRUG.
BUT MY GUT JUST TELLS ME."
LIKE HIS GUT TOLD HIM IT’D
MAGICALLY GO AWAY, "MY GUT TELLS
ME THIS DRUG IS GOING TO DO
GREATMENT
GREATMENT GREAT."
GREAT." IT KILLED VETS.
FIND OUT IT’S NOT WORKING.
HE ACTUALLY FIRED SOMEBODY
BECAUSE THEY WOULDN’T PROMOTE
IT --
IT -- >> WE’LL GET TO THAT.
>> HE WOULDN’T PROMOTE IT IN THE
WAY FAUCI SAID FROM THE
BEGINNING, WE HAVE TO DO
CLINICAL TRIALS.
CLINICAL TRIALS. HE HAD A GUT FEELING.
HE WAS WRONG.
HIS GUT FEELING NOW IS THAT IT’S
NOT GOING TO COME BACK IN THE
FALL.
FALL. WHEN, IN FACT, AS WE’VE SAID
HERE FOR SOME TIME, AS I TWEETED
YESTERDAY, EVEN BEFORE I KNEW
WHAT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING
IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE
YESTERDAY, THE FLU PANDEMIC OF
1918 WAS ACTUALLY STRONGER IN
THE FALL.
THE FALL. I THINK WE SAID THAT YESTERDAY
ON THIS SHOW.
IT WAS STRONGER IN THE FALL.
LIKE, THE REAL TRAGEDY CAME OVER
THREE MONTHS IN THE FALL AND THE
WINTER BECAUSE IT CAME WHEN IT
WAS FLU SEASON.
THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN
WARNING ABOUT FOR MONTHS.
I HAD A GUY THAT DOESN’T EVEN
KNOW ABOUT MEDICINE WARNING ME
ABOUT THIS MO TWOTWO MONTHS AGO.
ZEKE EMMANUEL SAYING, "HEY,
IT’LL BE WORSE IN THE FALL,
JOE."
JOE." HE SAID THAT BACK IN, LIKE,
FEBRUARY.
FEBRUARY. THIS IS NOT BREAKING NEWS.
HOW COULD THE PRESIDENT NOT
LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES AND
STILL IGNORE HIS DOCTORS, WHEN
EVERY MEDICAL PERSON WILL TELL
YOU, THE PANDEMIC COULD BE THE
WORST, THE WORST DURING FLU
SEASON.
SEASON. WHY AM I GETTING SO RILED UP?
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WASN’T
PREPARED BEFORE, RIGHT?
THE PRESIDENT WAS TOLD IN
JANUARY BY EVERYBODY --
>> BOTCHED IT.
>> -- IN HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT
THIS WAS COMING.
EVEN NAVARRO WARNED HIM, 500,000
PEOPLE COULD DIE.
THE PRESIDENT IGNORED IT.
HE DIDN’T PREPARE.
50,000 PEOPLE ARE DEAD NOW
BECAUSE OF IT, RIGHT?
HE DIDN’T PREPARE.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT
LESS PEOPLE DEAD.
MOST SCIENTISTS WILL TELL YOU,
I’M SURE, WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER,
THAT IF WE HAD PREPARED BETTER,
IF THE CHINESE HAD NOT LIED
THROUGH THEIR TEETH, THOSE TWO
THINGS TAKEN TOGETHER WOULD HAVE
SAVED A LOT OF LIVES.
BUT HERE’S MY DEAL, OKAY?
THIS IS NOT LOOKING BACKWARDS.
THIS IS LOOKING FORWARD.
WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE FALL.
I’VE GOT CHILDREN I WANT TO GO
TO SCHOOL IN THE FALL.
>> NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> I’VE GOT MIKA’S MOTHER.
I WANT HER TO BE ABLE TO RESUME
A NORMAL LIFE IN THE FALL.
>> KIDS IN THE COLLEGE.
NOT HAPPENING.
NOT HAPPENING. >> I WANT THE WHITE HOUSE TO
PREPARE FOR THE FALL.
THEY CAN’T DO IT IF DONALD TRUMP
IS STILL ACTING LIKE THIS IS
FEBRUARY, WHERE HE SAYS IT’S 15
PEOPLE AND GOING TO MAGICALLY GO
AWAY.
AWAY. THIS IS ANOTHER TRAGEDY.
THIS IS ANOTHER DISASTER, JUST
LIKE THE NUZEWS WORK THAT NEVER
LEARNS.
LEARNS. THEY NEVER LEARN!
50,000 AMERICANS DEAD.
I KNOW IT’S EARLY IN THE
MORNING.
MORNING. I’M SORRY.
I’M SORRY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I WAS ASLEEP
JUST 15 MINUTES AGO.
>> YES, HE WAS.
>> THIS IS JOLTING, WILLIE.
50,000 -- I WAS.
I WAS ASLEEP 15 MINUTES AGO.
0 TO 60, MY FRIENDS.
>> I’M UP FOR TWO HOURS.
>> 50,000 PEOPLE DEAD.
THEY WERE MAKING THESE
MISCALCULATIONS A MONTH AGO.
THEY’RE STILL DOING IT.
WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN?
WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN?
>> BY THE WAY, DR. FAUCI HAS
BEEN SAYING THIS, NOT JUST IN
SECRET TO THE PRESIDENT, OUT
LOUD IN PUBLIC AND INTERVIEWS
FOR MONTHS, THAT THIS IS GOING
TO COME BACK IN THE FALL.
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THOSE OF
US WHO WERE JUST LEARNING, MOST
OF US IN THE COUNTRY, ABOUT
INFECTIOUS DISEASE AT THIS
SCALE, DIDN’T REALIZE.
YES, HE SAID IT LIKELY WILL COME
BACK IN THE FALL.
WHAT YOU HAD YESTERDAY WAS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE CDC QUOTED
ACCURATELY IN THE "WASHINGTON
POST" SAYING, "THE WINTER IS
GOING TO BE BAD, TOO.
WE’LL HAVE THE COMBINATION OF
CORONAVIRUS AND THE FLU."
PRESIDENT PUTS OUT A TWEET
YESTERDAY MORNING AND SAYS THAT
THE CDC DIRECTOR WAS TERRIBLY
MISQUOTED BY CNN, HE SAID.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE "WASHINGTON
POST."
POST." HE’LL BE PUTTING OUT A
STATEMENT.
STATEMENT. DIRECTOR REDFIELD, DR. REDFIELD,
DID PUT OUT A STATEMENT
YESTERDAY AT THE HEARING WITH
THE -- AT THE BRIEFING WITH THE
PRESIDENT STANDING AT HIS SIDE,
SAYING, "I WAS QUOTED ACCURATELY
BY THE "WASHINGTON POST.""
THERE YOU HAVE IT.
>> HE RETWEETED IT.
>> JONATHAN LEMIRE -- HE
RETWEETED IT, RIGHT.
EXTRAORDINARY, JONATHAN LEMIRE,
THE CLIP WE PLAYED, SHOWING THE
JOURNEY OF THE PRESIDENT TRYING
TO COAX IN PUBLIC, IN FRONT OF
TELEVISION CAMERAS, HIS OWN
DOCTORS INTO COMING TO HIS GUT
FEELING OR HIS WISHFUL THINKING,
LET’S PUT IT THAT WAY, THAT THIS
WILL NOT COME BACK IN THE FALL.
DOCTOR AFTER DOCTOR AFTER
DOCTOR, THREE OF THEM ON THAT
STAGE YESTERDAY IN THE WHITE
HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM SAID, "NO,
NO."
NO." DR. BIRX SAID, "WE DON’T KNOW."
DR. REDFIELD SAID, "I WAS QUOTED
ACCURATE
ACCURATE ACCURATELY, SAYING THE WINTER IS
GOING TO BE BAD."
DR. FAUCI CAME OUT AND SAID,
"NO, MR. PRESIDENT.
NO, AMERICAN PUBLIC.
THIS WILL BE BACK IN THE FALL,
AND IT IS CRITICAL WE PREPARE
NOW."
NOW." >> EXACTLY RIGHT.
EVERY MEDICAL EXPERT ON THAT
STAGE YESTERDAY BROKE WITH THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. SOME MORE SUBTLY THAN OTHERS.
THIS IS NOT A SECRET.
THIS IS NOT NEWS.
THIS VIRUS WILL BE BACK IN THE
FALL.
FALL. THAT’S WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN
PREPARING FOR.
PREPARING FOR. THAT’S WHAT THEY’VE BEEN WARNING
THE PUBLIC ABOUT FOR WEEKS AND
MONTHS.
MONTHS. THE POINT DR. FAUCI WAS TRYING
TO MAKE IS THAT IT IS NOT A
QUESTION OF WHETHER THE VIRUS
WILL BE BACK.
IT IS A QUESTION OF HOW WE
PREPARE FOR IT.
WILL WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BETTER
METHODS IN PLACE?
WILL WE HAVE BETTER TREATMENTS
FOR THOSE THAT CATCH COVID-19?
THERE WON’T BE A VACCINE, BUT
THERE COULD BE WAYS TO MITIGATE
THE SPREAD.
THE SPREAD. IT’LL BE HERE.
AND THE POINT THE CDC DIRECTOR
MADE THE DAY BEFORE IN THE
"WASHINGTON POST," WHICH THEN
CNN AND OTHERS DID COVERAGE OF,
AS THE PRESIDENT SAW, WAS THE
IDEA THAT WHEN IT IS COMBINED
WITH THE FLU SEASON -- AND LAST
YEAR’S WAS PARTICULARLY BAD --
IT IS GOING TO PUT A FURTHER
STRAIN ON THE MEDICAL RESOURCES
OF THIS COUNTRY.
YES, IN MANY WAYS, THINGS COULD
BE MUCH MORE WORSE THIS FALL,
AND THE PRESIDENT SIMPLY DIDN’T
WANT TO HEAR IT.
ACCORDING TO OUR REPORTING, HE
WAS IN A SEETHE ALL DAY
YESTERDAY AFTER THE REPORT.
IT FLIES IN THE FACE OF THIS
RELENTLESSLY ROSY PICTURE HE IS
TRYING TO PAINT, PARTICULARLY IN
THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AS HE IS
TRYING TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING
AGAIN AND ENCOURAGING STATES TO
START SLOWLY REOPENING.
NOW, HE DID HAVE SOME WORDS
YESTERDAY WHERE HE URGED THE
GEORGIA GOVERNOR TO SLOW DOWN IN
SOME MEASURES, TO NOT, PERHAPS,
HAVE THE TATTOO PARLORS AND HAIR
SALONS OPEN.
SALONS OPEN. BUT HE WANTS THE ECONOMY TO GET
GOING.
GOING. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE EITHER.
BY DOING WHAT HE DID YESTERDAY,
PUBLICLY CONTRADICTING THE
HEALTH EXPERTS, NOT ONLY IS THAT
POLITICALLY PERILOUS, A
PRECARIOUS PREDICTION TO MAKE,
YOU KNOW, FOR A PRESIDENT WHO IS
GOING TO BE FACING VOTERS AGAIN
IN THE FALL, VOTERS WHO ARE
GOING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE
VIRUS COMES BACK.
MORE THAN THAT, IT COULD BE --
IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND COULD BE
GIVING AMERICANS A FALSE SENSE
OF SECURITY, THAT THEY CAN
RESUME THEIR NORMAL LIVES THIS
FALL AND NOT GET SICK, WHEN THE
VIRUS COULD BE BACK AND BACK
WITH A VENGEANCE.
>> SEE, WE HAVE A SERIES OF
POLLS THAT SHOW AMERICANS ARE ON
TO THE PRESIDENT.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS WHEN HE DOES
WHAT HE DOES YESTERDAY, THAT
FURTHER RATTLES THE MARKETS,
THAT FURTHER RATTLES SMALL
BUSINESS OWNERS, WHO UNDERSTAND
HE IS LYING.
HE IS JUST MAKING THINGS UP.
THEY’RE SITTING THERE GOING, "MY
GOD, I’VE GOT TO HAVE A
PRESIDENT THAT IS GOING TO BE
RESPONSIBLE."
RESPONSIBLE." >> WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
>> WHO WILL LET THE SCIENTISTS
AND THE DOCTORS AND THE EXPERTS
MOVE THIS COUNTRY FORWARD, TAKE
CARE OF THE HEALTH CRISIS SO I
CAN GET BACK TO WORK.
SO I CAN REOPEN MY SMALL
BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. MIKA, HERE’S THE DEAL, WE’VE GOT
A SERIES OF POLLS THAT ARE NOW
CONFIRMING EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL
WERE SAYING LAST WEEK.
THAT IS, THE PRESIDENT’S PRESS
CONFERENCES ARE HURTING HIM.
THE PRESIDENT DARTING AROUND
LEFT AND RIGHT, HURTING HIM.
THE PRESIDENT, ON APRIL 13th,
SAY
SAY SAYING, "I HAVE TOTAL
AUTHORITY."
AUTHORITY." APRIL 15th, "NEVER MIND, YOU
GUYS HAVE THE TOTAL AUTHORITY."
APRIL 17th, GOING, "LIBERATE,
OPEN YOUR STATES."
YESTERDAY, APRIL 22nd, SAYING,
"DON’T OPEN YOUR STATES.
GEORGIA, YOU’RE DOING IT THE
WRONG WAY."
WRONG WAY." IT FREAKS THE GOVERNORS OUT.
IT FREAKS THE MARKETS OUT.
IT FREAKS CEOs OUT.
AND, MIKA, LET’S GO THROUGH
THESE POLLS, IT’S FREAKING THE
VOTERS OUT.
VOTERS OUT. THEY’VE STOPPED LISTENING,
DONALD.
DONALD. YOUR TWO-HOUR PRESS CONFERENCE,
IT’S CALLED THE LAW OF
DIMINISHING RETURNS.
DIMINISHING RETURNS. I READ "SPORTS ILLUSTRATED" IN
THE BACK OF MY ECON 101 CLASS AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, BUT I
DID LEARN ABOUT THE LAW OF
DIMINISHING RETURNS.
DIMINISHING RETURNS. YOU SHOULD LOOK IT UP.
YOUR TWO-HOUR PRESS CONFERENCES
ARE NOW NOT ONLY BEYOND THAT
CURVE OF DIMINISHING RETURNS,
YOU’RE DAMAGING YOURSELF AND
MAKING IT LESS LIKELY THAT
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GET TO WORK EARLIER.
YOU NEED TO STOP.
I’VE SAID IT FOR WEEKS.
LOOK AT THESE POLL NUMBERS.
YOU’LL SEE I’M RIGHT, AGAIN.
>> IT’S NOT JUST HIS
CREDIBILITY, HE IS CAUSING PAIN.
FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW SOMEONE WHO
IS SUFFERING, OR KNOW SOMEONE ON
THE FRONT LINES, OR AREN’T
WORKING, THEY’RE HURTING.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
HURTING, WHO ARE EXTREMELY
EMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW.
TO SEE A LEADER REFUTING HIMSELF
IN REAL TIME ABOUT WHETHER OR
NOT IT IS GOING TO COME BACK IN
THE FALL, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
THIS IS REAL OR IF IT IS GOING
TO GO AWAY.
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED INFORMATION
AND ARE DESPERATE ON THE WAY
FORWARD, THEY’RE GETTING
NOTHING.
NOTHING. >> EXCEPT FOR "LIBERATE THESE