PROGRESS AND THAT IS MY RIFF.
ALL RIGHT.
WE’RE GOING TO EXPLORE THIS, GO
AS DEEP AS WE NEED TO BE.
JOINING US OUR GREAT FRIEND,
RICK PERRY, FORMER ENERGY
SECRETARY, GOVERNOR OF TEXAS,
AND ANDREW WHEELER, FORMER EPA
ADMINISTRATOR.
SO, ANDY WHEELER, I KNOW WE HAVE
THE GREAT POWERFUL, ALL
ENCOMPASSING RICK PERRY BUT I
HAVE TO START WITH YOU ANDREW,
YOU WERE IN THE THICK OF THIS
FIGHT WHEN THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, OR TRIED TO
OVERTURN THE OBAMA BUSINESS.
JUST GIVE US WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
THIS?
HOW POWERFUL IS THIS GOING TO
BE?
>> WELL, THANK YOU, LARRY.
IT IS GREAT TO BE ON YOUR SHOW
AGAIN AND YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT, THIS IS A VERY POWERFUL
DECISION TODAY AND I HAVE TO SAY
I FEEL VINDICATED.
I FEEL INDHAVE INDICATED ON
BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE ENTIRE
STAFF OF THE TRUMP EPA.
WHEN I WAS CONFIRMED I TOLD THE
UNITED STATES SENATE THAT I
WOULD FOLLOW THE LAWS AND THEN
FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS I GOT
BEAT UP FOR NOT GOING AS FAR AS
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID.
I KEPT SAYING THAT THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION WENT BEYOND THE
LAW.
SUPREME COURT STAYED THE SUPREME
POWER PLAN BUT THAT WASN’T
ENOUGH.
PEOPLE STILL TALKED ABOUT THE
CLEAN POWER PLAN.
THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS BEAT
ME UP OVER IT.
ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AND
ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISTS WHO WERE
EMPLOYED BY THE MEDIA SUCH AS
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" KEPT SAYING
I WAS ROLLING BACK THE OBAMA
REGULATION.
I KEPT SAYING NO.
THE SUPREME COURT STATED IT IS
NOT THE LAW OF THE LAND.
TODAY THE SUPREME COURT HAD TO
COME OUT AGAIN AND REAFFIRM IT
AND THEY REAFFIRMED IT VERY
STRONGLY.
YOU’RE RIGHT, THIS IS
IMPLICATIONS NOT JUST FOR THE
EPA BUT ALL REGULATORY AGENCIES.
CONGRESS HAS TO PASS THE LAWS.
LARRY: YES, SIR.
JUST BEFORE THE SHOW I TALKED TO
OUR FRIEND FORMER INTERIOR
SECRETARY DAVID BERNHARDT, SAID
THE SAME THING YOU DID.
USED TO GO UP ON THE HILL.
ALL THE LEFTIES WOULD HAMMER AT
HIM, GO AHEAD, PASS A LAW.
HE SAID HE CAN’T ENACT WITHOUT A
LAW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
CONSTITUTIONAL STUFF.
ANDREW, YOU CAN GET OFF THE
CHAIR AND DO A LITTLE RAINDANCE
AROUND THE CHAIR, A LITTLE
VICTORY RAINDANCE IF YOU CARE
TO.
MAYBE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE SHOW.
I DON’T WANT TO SCREW UP THE
CONNECTION.
>> I WILL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE
SHOW.
LARRY: GET TO RICK ON THIS, AS
FAR AS EPA THIS REALLY DAMAGES
ONE OF THEIR KEY WEAPONS FOR
CONTROLLING GREENHOUSE GASES.
COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US ABOUT
THIS, HOW FAR DOES IT GO?
>> I THINK IT GOES REALLY FAR.
YOU MENTIONED THE SEC
REGULATION.
THERE IS EPA REGULATION THAT THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING
ON.
TRYING TO CHANGE THE FLEET FROM
GAS-POWERED OVER TO ELECTRIC
THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE
SUPREME COURT CAME OUT WITH
TODAY.
I DON’T THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE
TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT THE
SUPREME COURT SAID TODAY,EPA
DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO
TELL THE ELECTRIC UTILITY
INDUSTRY THEY HAVE TO SWITCH
FROM COAL TO NATURAL GAS.
I DON’T SEE HOW THEY HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO TELL DETROIT FROM
GASOLINE-POWERED CARS OVER TO
ELECTRIC CARS.
CONGRESS, AND THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, JUST GO BACK FOR
A MINUTE, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD 60
DEMOCRATS IN THE UNITED STATES
SENATE, FILIBUSTER PROOF
MAJORITY, AND THEY DIDN’T EVEN
BRING CLIMATE LEGISLATION UP ON
THE SENATE FLOOR.
INSTEAD PRESIDENT OBAMA TOLD HIS
EPA PEOPLE DO THIS BY
REGULATION, DO THIS WITHOUT
CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
AND THAT IS WHAT THE SUPREME
COURT SAID TODAY, YOU CAN’T DO
THINGS LIKE THIS WITHOUT
CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
CONGRESS PASSES THE LAWS.
AGENCIES IMPLEMENT THEM.
LARRY: RICK PERRY, WELCOME BACK
AS ALWAYS, RICK.
IN YOUR JUDGMENT HOW BIG OF A
DENT DOES THIS PUT INTO THEIR
IDEALOGICAL CLIMATE CHANGE WOKE
POLICIES?
HOW BIG AFTER DENT DOES THIS PUT
INTO THEIR GREEN NEW DEAL STUFF?
>> DOESN’T PUT A DENT IN IT, I
THINK IT RUNS OVER THEM.
THEY’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
ROAD AND THIS WAS A VERY BIG
LOCOMOTIVE WITH A FULL HEAD OF
STEAM THAT HIT THE WOKE
MOVEMENT.
LARRY, I’M HE REMINDED 12 YEARS
AGO, I WROTE THIS BOOK, CALLED
"FED UP QUOTE.
I SPENT MY TIME AS GOVERNOR OF
STATE OF TEXAS, NOT ONLY SUING
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE
THEY WERE INFRINGING UPON OUR
RIGHT, GOT TO THE POINT, WRITE A
BOOK, MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL READ
IT, THEY WILL COME TO THE RIGHT
CONCLUSION THAT THE TENTH
AMENDMENT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS,
THAT IF IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY
ADDRESSED IN THE CONSTITUTION IT
IS HELD FOR THE STATES TO MAKE
THOSE DECISIONS OR THE PEOPLE,
WE THE PEOPLE.
SO THIS WAS A GLORIOUS, GLORIOUS
DAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVED
THAT THESE 50 LABORATORIES OF
INNOVATION OUT THERE ARE WHERE
THE DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE IN
THIS COUNTRY.
THIS IS FOOD STUFF -- GOOD STUFF
IN MY OPINION.
SPEAKING TO THESE AGENCIES THAT
OVERREACH IN MY OPINION IN A LOT
OF PEOPLES, OBVIOUSLY THE
COURT’S OPINION AS WELL.
THINK ABOUT THIS ONE, HOW ABOUT
THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY
COMMISSION?
WHO HAS NOT PUT INTO PLACE THE
REGULATIONS IN 40 TO 50 YEARS
FOR A NEW NUCLEAR REACTOR TO BE
PUT IN PLACE?
HOW ABOUT THE STATES BEING PUT
IN CHARGE OF THAT THEMSELVES TO
BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS
WALKAWAY SAFE, ECONOMICAL,
EMISSION-FREE ENERGY SOURCE
NEEDS TO BE DEPLOYED IN THEIR
STATES?
I THINK THAT IS AN IDEA WHOSE
TIME HAS COME.
LARRY: RICK, ON THIS POINT
CONTINUING, HOW MUCH POWER WILL
NOW BE SHIFTED BACK TO THE
STATES TO MAKE THEIR OWN POWER
DECISIONS, THEIR OWN ELECTRICITY
DECISIONS?
I’M JUST WONDERING, RICK, WILL
THIS HELP THEM MAKE SAY THEIR
OWN PERMITTING DECISIONS IF
WE’RE TALKING, IF WE’RE TALKING
DRILLING, FRACKING, PIPELINING,
REFINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
LISTEN, IF THE WOKE LEFT WANTS
TO GO STOP THESE TYPES OF
ACTIVITIES, GO TO THE STATES AND
MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IT’S NOT WASHINGTON, D.C.’S
PLACE AND THE SUPREME COURT NOT
ONLY SAID POWERFULLY, THEY STUCK
A STAKE IN THE HEART OF THE WOKE
MOVEMENT.
LARRY: FASCINATING.
ANDREW WHEELER, CAN I GO TO THE
SUBJECT OF PERMITTING NOW
GENERALLY BECAUSE ONE OF THE
GREAT REGULATORY OBSTACLES THAT
THE BIDENS GREEN NEW DEAL HAS
SET UP, WHICH HAS BEEN SO
DAMAGING IS THEY WON’T GIVE
PERMITS FOR ANYTHING, REALLY,
FRACKING, DRILLING, PIPELINING,
REFINING.
I DON’T THINK THEY WILL GIVE
PERMIT BY THE WAY FOR ROADS AND
HIGHWAYS FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE
OF SOME OF THESE CRAZY
ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS
COMING OUT OF THE EPA AND
ELSEWHERE.
ANDREW, WILL THIS SUPREME
DECISION, SUPREME COURT DECISION
HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ON THE INTERI
DEPARTMENT OR ENERGY DEPARTMENT
OR SOMETHING LIKE THE
WHITE HOUSE COINS ON
ENVIRONMENTAL EQUALITY, WHICH
HAVE ALL BANDED TOGETHER, TO
STOP PERMITTING WHICH I THINK
HAS A TREMENDOUS DAMPENING
INFLUENCE, LESS PRODUCTION OF
OIL AND GAS, HIGHER PRICES,
HIGHER OIL AND GASOLINE PRICES,
CAN THE PERMITTING ISSUE BE
DEALT WITH THROUGH THIS VEHICLE?
>> I’M NOT SURE IT COULD BE
SPECIFICALLY DEALT WITH THROUGH
THIS VEHICLE BUT IT CERTAINLY
OPENS UP A OUT OF NEW AVENUES
FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK PAT TO LOOK
HOW THE PERMITTING DECISIONS ARE
MADE.
IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SEE
DRILLING HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES, THERE IS A NEW EPA
REGULATION THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT ON THE OIL DRILLING IN
TEXAS WHERE WE GET 60% OF OUR
DOMESTIC FUEL BUT IT IS
IMPORTANT, IF WE’RE NOT GETTING
OUR FUEL HERE, WE’RE GETTING IT
FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
PRESIDENT BIDEN JUST THIS WEEK
IS TALKING ABOUT GOING TO
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE U.A.E. TO
ASK THEM TO PRODUCE MORE OIL.
WE PRODUCE OUR OIL HERE IN THE
U.S. IN A MUCH CLEANER FASHION
THAN ANY OF OUR COMPETITORS
WORLDWIDE.
SO IF WE’RE NOT ACCESSING THE
OIL HERE IN OUR COUNTRY WE’RE
IMPORTING DIRTIER OIL FROM OTHER
COUNTRIES.
IF YOU’RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT
THE ENVIRONMENT WE SHOULD BE
USING MORE U.S. ENERGY AND WE
SHOULD BE PROVIDING OUR ALLIES
IN EUROPE WITH OUR NATURAL GAS,
OUR OIL, INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM
MORE DEPENDENT ON RUSSIA.
LARRY: ANDY, A VERY SMART GUY ON
THIS SHOW A MONTH OR TWO BACK,
HIS NAME WAS RICK PERRY, MADE
EXACTLY THAT POINT.
HE SAID TO ME, LARRY, WE SHOULD
OPEN THE SPIGOTS FOR LNG
EXPORTS, SELL IT TO INDIA AND
CHINA.
THAT WILL REDUCE THE COAL USAGE.
THAT WILL CUT GLOBAL, GLOBAL
EMISSIONS MIND YOU.
SO GOVERNOR PERRY, CAPTAIN PERRY
GOT THAT STORY RIGHT.
RICK, I WANT TO FINISH WITH YOU.
WE’RE ALWAYS OUT OF TIME.
YOU MENTIONED FEDERALISM, THE
IMPORTANCE OF FEDERALISM, THE
IMPORTANCE OF STATE RIGHTS AND
STATE POWER, I DON’T WANT TO GO
TOO FAR OFF MESSAGE A WEEK AGO
LAST FRIDAY ON THE ROE V. WADE
DECISION, RETURNING POWER TO THE
STATES AND THE TATE LEGISLATURES
AND THE VOTERS WHO ELECTED THE
LEGISLATURES WAS REALLY THE KEY
POINT OF THAT DECISION AS WELL.
I GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD, SIR.
>> YEAH.
IT’S BEEN A LONG FIGHT FOR
PEOPLE WHO READ THE CONSTITUTION, RECOGNIZE IT FOR
CONSTITUTION, RECOGNIZE IT FOR
ITS TRUTHS AND MY HATS OFF TO
THE SUPREME COURT WRITING IN THE
CASE OF ROE V. WADE 50 YEARS OF
WRONG, 50 YEARS OF MISREADING
THE CONSTITUTION, GIVING THAT
DECISION MAKING THAT POWER BACK
TO THE PEOPLE WHICH IS WHERE IT
EMINATED FROM TO BEGIN WITH AND
WHERE IT SHOULD BE TODAY.
LARRY: YOU KNOW THE OTHER THING,
RICK, AS WE CLOSE DOWN, THE ONE,
THE ONE PIECE OF ADVICE THAT
BIDEN HAS NOT TAKEN FROM YOU, HE
WOULDN’T MEET WITH THE OIL AND
BASS CEOS, RIGHT?
HE SENT THEM TO THE ENERGY
DEPARTMENT.
HE MET WITH THE WIN MILL MAKERS
IN ROOSEVELT ROOM IN THE
WHITE HOUSE.
HE STILL HASN’T SENT A SPECIAL
ENVOY TO MIDLAND, TEXAS.
HE IS GOING TO SEE THE SAUDIS,
GOING TO SEE THE QATARIS.
GOD KNOWS WHO HE WILL SEE WHEN
HE IS OVER THERE.
HOW ABOUT MIDLAND TEXAS, THE
CENTER OF OIL DRILLING.
JUST A THOUGHT.
>> SINCE HE IS HEADED IN THAT
DIRECTION, COME ON DOWN TO THE
BORDER, MR. PRESIDENT, WE’LL
SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR IMMIGRATION
POLICIES ARE DOING TO THE GREAT
STATE OF TEXAS.
LARRY: THAT IS COMING UP IN THE
SHOW ALSO.