AND I SURE HOPE THE BIDENS STICK
WITH IT, AND I NOW BRING IN MY
FRIEND DISTINGUISHED FORMER
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR ROBERT
O’BRIEN, ABOUT HUAWEI AND THE
TAIWAN CHINA STORY.
BUT ROBERT, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
THE JOURNAL HAS ALERTED US,
HUAWEI HAS BEEN HOBBLED,
HUMBLED.
THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY.
THEIR MARKET DRIED UP.
THEY ARE OUT OF THE 5G GAME FOR
ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES OUTSIDE
OF CHINA.
FOLKS AREN’T BUYING THEIR SMART
PHONES.
YOU WERE AN IMPORTANT PLAYER IN
ALL THAT.
YOU KNOCKED THEM OFF THEIR
PERCH.
>> WELL, YOU WILL RECALL, LARRY,
WHEN I TOOK OFFICE AND CAME TO
SEE YOU, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
WE TALKED ABOUT WAS HUAWEI.
THE EXPERTS WERE TELLING US YOU
CAN’T STOP HUAWEI.
THEY CONTROL 5G OR GOING TO
CONTROL 5G ALL OVER THE WORLD,
YOU CAN’T STOP IT.
YOU WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT TO
WORK AROUND IT, WITH ENHANCED
ENCRYPTION, BUT HUAWEI IS GOING
TO CONTROL 5G.
BY CONTROLLING 5G, THEY ARE
GOING TO CONTROL EVERY BIT OF
DATA THAT GOES UP TO THE CLOUD
AND DOWN TO THE CLOUD.
AND WORLDWIDE THAT MEANS YOUR
GRANDMA’S MEDICAL RECORDS, YOUR
KIDS’ SOCIAL MEDIA, YOUR BANK
STATEMENTS, ALL GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION, THAT WOULD HAVE
TRAVELED ON THE HUAWEI 5G BACK
BOHN, -- BACKBONE, GONE UP TO TH
CLOUD AND THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
PARTY WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO
IT.
WE MADE THE DECISION AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTED TO US
STOP IT AND MAKE SURE WE COULD.
FOLKS SAID IT COULDN’T BE DONE.
YOU AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON
THE ROAD, TRAVELING AROUND THE
WORLD, EVEN DURING COVID, SPENT
A LOT OF TIME ON THE PHONE.
THE PRESIDENT SPENT A LOT OF
TIME ON THE PHONE WITH WORLD
LEADERS AND WE GOT IT STOPPED.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE PROTECTED
PEOPLE’S DATA.
WE PROTECTED THEIR PRIVACY.
WE PROTECTED OUR GOVERNMENT
SECRETS, JUST A TREMENDOUS
ACCOMPLISHMENT, SOMETHING I KNOW
YOU ARE PROUD OF.
I’M PROUD OF.
WE HAD A GREAT TEAM WORKING WITH
US, SECRETARY POMPEO WAS
INVOLVED.
>> LARRY: POMPEO WAS GREAT.
>> WE HAD A GREAT TEAM.
>> LARRY: YEP, I MEAN, BY
STOPPING HUAWEI, ROBERT, WE
ESSENTIALLY -- I WON’T SAY
STOPPED, BUT WE SURE SLOWED DOWN
CHINA AROUND THE WORLD BECAUSE
THIS WAS A BIG THING.
YOU KNOW, HUAWEI WAS GOING TO
LEAD CHINA AND THEY WERE GOING
TO RUN THE WORLD AND RUN ALL THE
PHONES AND ALL THE 5G AND 6G,
NO, NOT TRUE, NOT ANYMORE.
>> THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE EVERY
SINGLE PIECE OF DATA THAT WENT
FROM THE EARTH UP TO THE CLOUD
WOULD HAVE GONE RIGHT TO THE
COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA.
WE STOPPED IT.
AGAIN, IT WASN’T EASY, AND
EVERYONE SAID IT COULDN’T BE
DONE, BUT WE GOT IT DONE.
YOU AND YOUR STAFF WERE CRITICAL
TO THAT, LARRY.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OWE YOU A
DEBT OF GRATITUDE.
>> LARRY: AND YOU LIKEWISE AND
ALSO POMPEO.
LET’S -- NOW WE HAVE THIS CHINA
TAIWAN CRISIS, 150 FLIGHTS IN
THEIR IDENTIFICATION ZONE, AND
I’M READING IN THE PAPERS, MAYBE
YOU CAN CORROBORATE THIS AND
TALK TO IT, THERE’S A COUPLE OF
DOZEN SPECIAL OPS FORCES NOW ON
THE GROUND IN TAIWAN TO ADVISE
THEM, TO HAVE STRONGER MILITARY.
SO THAT’S GOOD.
I HOPE THEY KEEP BUILDING INGING
UP.
YOU HAVE OUTLINED THE SO CALLED
PORCUPINE STRATEGY TO STOP
CHINA.
I’M ALSO READING THE CIA HAS
SOME KIND OF SPECIAL CHINA
MISSION CENTER.
I WISH THEY HAD WOKEN UP TO THAT
EARLIER, BUT BETTER LATE THAN
NEVER.
WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?
HOW BIG OF A CRISIS IS THIS
GOING TO BE?
>> NUMBER ONE, TAIWAN, OUR
DEMOCRATIC ALLY, OUR FRIENDS,
POLITICALLY STRATEGIC ISLAND IN
THE PACIFIC, CRITICAL ISLAND IN
PACIFIC IS UNDER THREAT.
IT IS UNDER SEVERE THREAT.
ADMIRAL DAVIDSON, THE FORMER
COMMANDER OF INDO PA COM HAS A
WINDOW.
HE DOESN’T THINK THE CHINESE
WILL ENDANGER THE OLYMPIC GAMES
BUT ONCE THAT IS OVER THROUGH
ABOUT 2025 IS A PERIOD OF DANGER
WHEN THE CHINESE MIGHT DECIDE TO
INVADE TAIWAN.
THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE ENTIRE
PACIFIC TO THE PLA NAVY.
WITH TAIWAN OPEN, THE CHINESE
NAVY COULD FLOOD OUT IN THE
PACIFIC AND IT COULD THREATEN
ALL THE SECOND ISLAND CHAIN,
AMERICAN TERRITORIES, LIKE GUAM
AND SAMOA, OUR STATES OF
HAWAII -- I’M OUT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA, OUR WEST COAST.
THERE WOULD BE NO CORK IN THE
CHAMPAGNE BOTTLE SO TO SPEAK IN
THE PACIFIC TO DETER THE CHINESE
FROM RUNNING RAMPANT.
NUMBER TWO, FROM AN ECONOMIC
POINT OF VIEW, WE’RE GOING
THROUGH A TERRIBLE SUPPLY CHAIN
CRUNCH.
IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A
NEW CAR BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF
CHIPS.
MOST ADVANCED CHIPS AS YOU KNOW
ARE MADE IN TAIWAN.
WE’RE BUILDING SOME CHIP
FACTORIES.
AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR
INITIATIVES AND SOMETHING WE
SUPPORTED STRONGLY AT THE NSC
DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
LET’S GET INTEL AND LET’S GET
SOME OTHER BIG COMPANIES TO
BUILD CHIP FACTORIES IN ARIZONA
IF WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THEM.
WE HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE
TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MOST
ADVANCED CHIPS IN AMERICA.
RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE MADE IN
TAIWAN.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF CHINA DID TO
TAIWAN WHAT IT’S DONE TO HONG
KONG OR TIBET OR WESTERN CHINA,
TOOK IT OVER, SHUT DOWN THE
SUPPLY CHAIN, SHUT DOWN THE
ABILITY TO BUY CHIPS AND HAVE
THAT KIND OF LEVERAGE OVER US.
IT WOULD MAKE THE HUAWEI
SITUATION LOOK SMALL.
THIS IS A REAL THREAT.
IT IS A REAL DANGER TO THE
UNITED STATES.
>> LARRY: YOU REMINDED I NEED TO
GET WILBUR ROSS FORMER COMMERCE
SECRETARY WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL
IN ALL THESE, I NEED TO GET HIM
BACK ON THE SHOW TO TALK ABOUT
IT BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT
PLAYER.
ROBERT O’BRIEN, IN YOUR
JUDGMENT, ARE THE BIDENS BEING
TOUGH ENOUGH ON THIS CHINA ISSUE
WITH TAIWAN?
>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK MOST OF
THE TRUMP POLICIES HAVE STAYED
IN PLACE.
I THINK THAT’S A CREDIT TO BIDEN
FOLKS.
I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
THEY HAVE MAINTAINED THE TRUMP
POLICIES.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE’S NO
BACKSLIDING FROM THOSE POLICIES,
THAT WE REMAIN STRONG FRIENDS OF
TAIWAN.
I SAW THE NEWSPAPER REPORTS LIKE
YOU DID, AND I WANT TO BE
CAREFUL ABOUT HOW I COMMENT ON
THIS.
I WILL ONLY COMMENT ON THE
NEWSPAPER REPORTS OF THESE
MARINES AND SPECIAL OPERATORS
BEING IN TAIWAN, BUT IF THOSE
REPORTS ARE TRUE, MARINES ARE
EXPERTS IN AMPHIBIOUS LANDINGS
AND SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW
THEY WERE THERE TO HELP ADVISE
THE TAIWANESE HOW TO RESIST
AMPHIBIOUS LANDING IN CHINA.
HELPING NATIVE FORCES AND TO
STOP AN ATTACKING FORCE.
THOSE WOULD MAKE SENSE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THEM IN THE
OP-ED, ALEX GRAY, MY FORMER
CHIEF OF STAFF AND BUSINESS
PARTNER WHO YOU HAVE ON YOUR
SHOW REGULARLY WROTE AN OP-ED IN
THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" AND
SAID WE NEED TO GET
ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILES TO THE
TAIWANESE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE
THE ANTI-SHIP MISSILES NECESSARY
TO PROTECT THEM, SEA STRIKE SEA
MINES, ALL THINGS NECESSARY TO
DETER THE CHINESE BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW THE CHINESE ARE [INAUDIBLE]
TAIWAN AS WE HAVEN’T SEEN IN THE
LATE 50s AND EARLY 60s.
THEY SENT OVER SCORES AND SCORES
OF AIRCRAFT, MILITARY COMBAT
AIRCRAFT TO HARASS THE
TAIWANESE.
TAIWAN IS UNDER THREAT.
AMERICA IS A FRIEND, OUR
DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD, AND ESPECIALLY IN TAIWAN.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE THEIR
FRIEND AND HELP THEM TURN THE
PORCUPINE TO DETER THE CHINESE
FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD
PLUNGE THE WORLD INTO A WAR.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE A VERY BAD
MISTAKE FOR THE CHINESE TO
INVADE TAIWAN.
FRANKLY IT WOULD BE BAD FOR
CHINA.
HOPEFULLY -- WE WANT TAIWAN TO
LOOK LIKE -- IT IS SO DIFFICULT
TO SWALLOW FOR THE CHINESE THAT
THEY DECIDED IT IS NOT WORTH IT.