>>> JOINING ME NOW FOR REACTION
TO THIS BIG TRUMP CFO
WEISSELBERG NEWS IS MICHAEL
COHEN HIMSELF, DONALD TRUMPS
LAWYER, AUTHOR OF THE BOOK
"DISLOYAL."
THANKS FOR COMING BACK, MICHAEL.
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING, ARI?
>> IM WELL.
THANK YOU.
THIS ARTICLE, WHICH DROPPED LIKE
A BOMBSHELL IN THIS HOUR LAST
NIGHT, ACTUALLY, FROM THE NEW
YORK TIMES.
I JUST HEARD FROM THE REPORTER.
IT ENDS, THE FINAL LINE OF THE
ARTICLE REFERS TO MR.
WEISSELBERG BEING INVOLVED IN A
DIFFERENT FEDERAL INVESTIGATION
REGARDING TRUMP HUSH MONEY AND
IT ENDS THAT MR. COHEN IS NOW
COOPERATING WITH MR. VANCES
INVESTIGATION.
WHERE THE ARTICLE ENDED, SIR, IS
WHERE WE BEGIN TONIGHT.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY AT THE
TIMES AND THE PIECE THERE, WHAT
ARE THEY GETTING AT?
TELL US YOUR REACTION TO ALL OF
THIS?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I HAD BEEN
COOPERATING SINCE DAY NUMBER
ONE.
I COOPERATED WITH THE SOUTHERN
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK DESPITE
THEY DIDNT BELIEVE THAT I
DIDNT GIVE THEM EVERYTHING,
WHICH IS JUST NOT THROUGH.
I COOPERATED WITH THE NEW YORK
DAS OFFICE.
I COOPERATED WITH FIVE DIFFERENT
CONGRESSIONAL OFFICES.
SO I COOPERATED.
THANK YOU, NEW YORK TIMES, FOR
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
TOOK AWAY FROM THIS IS ALLEN
WEISSELBERG REALLY KNOWS THAT
HES GOT THE HEAT COMING RIGHT
NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO IS AS SEASONED A
LAWYER AS MARK POMERANZ.
ALLEN WEISSELBERG, I WANT TO BE
CLEAR NOW, IS NOT THE PRIMARY
TARGET IN THIS INVESTIGATION.
AND LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, HE
WILL UNFORTUNATELY OR
FORTUNATELY, DEPENDING UPON
WHICH WAY YOU SEE IT, HE WILL
BECOME COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
BUT IT IS NOT JUST ALLEN
WEISSELBERG THATS GOING TO BE
COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
IT IS GOING TO BE HIS TWO SONS
AS WELL.
BARRY WHO WORKED FOR THE COMPANY
DEALING WITH THE CAROUSEL AND
JACK WEISSELBERG, WHO WAS
INVOLVED WITH LATTER CAPITAL
WITH THE TWO LOANS THAT WERE
GIVEN TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
SO ALLEN HAS A CHOICE.
THE CHOICE IS DO YOU WANT TO
SPEND THE GOLDEN YEARS OF YOUR
LIFE BEHIND BARS WHILE REMAINING
LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP, KNOWING
THAT TRUMP WOULD ABSOLUTELY 100%
NOT BE LOYAL TO HIM, OR ARE YOU
GOING TO ALLOW YOURSELF AND YOUR
SONS TO GO TO PRISON VERSUS PASS
ALONG THE INFORMATION AND TRY TO
GET YOURSELF SOME SORT OF
LENIENCY?
THE QUESTION -- LOOK, I BELIEVE
THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
WATCHING YOUR SHOW RIGHT NOW,
PUT INTO THAT SITUATION, WHETHER
YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN GO TO
PRISON OR YOU PROVIDE
INFORMATION, KNOWING THAT THAT
DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IS ALREADY
IN THE HANDS OF THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL, YOURE NOT GOING TO
ESCAPE IT.
SO WHATS THE SMART MOVE?
>> YEAH.
WELL, THE SELF-PRESERVATION
MOVE, SMART OR NOT, THE
ESSENTIAL MOVE FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE IS HOW THEY WOULD LOOK AT
IT.
AS FOR THE LAST LINE IN THE
ARTICLE, MICHAEL, THEY SEEM TO
BE INTIMATING THAT HE DROPPED
THE DIME ON YOU, AND NOW IT
MIGHT BE YOUR TURN.
>> WELL, HE DEFINITELY DROPPED
THE DIME.
MORE THAN A DIME.
HE PROBABLY DROPPED A COUPLE OF
DIMES ON ME IN ORDER TO --
>> 30, 40 CENTS EASY.
>> AT LEAST.
RIGHT?
IN ORDER TO GET THAT LIMITED
IMMUNITY THAT HE GOT.
KNOWING THAT ALLEN WEISSELBERG
WAS INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE
SET-UP FOR THE HUSH MONEY
PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS.
YOU KNOW, THE RECORDS EXIST.
THE CONVERSATIONS EXIST BETWEEN
MYSELF, TRUMP.
I MEAN, THOSE WERE RELEASED BY
RECORDING.
ON TOP OF THAT THEY HAVE, AGAIN,
DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH
EVERYBODY IN THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION IS THAT THEY ALL
LIE.
AND THEY WILL CONTINUE, AS I
DID, INCLUDING WITH CONGRESS.
WE ALL LIED IN ORDER TO PROTECT
DONALD.
THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, IS THAT
THERE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW
OPPOSITE, THAT I WASNT THE ONLY
ONE THAT LIED IN THE CREATION OF
THAT DOCUMENT.
IT WAS IVANKA AND JARED AND THE
LAWYERS.
ALL OF THEM WERE INVOLVED IN THE
SETTING UP OF THAT -- OF THAT
INFORMATION TO CONGRESS.
SO, YES, IM THE ONE THAT
SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES.
AND MY BELIEF IS THAT ALLEN IS
GOING TO SUFFER THE SAME
CONSEQUENCES.
>> YOURE REFERRING THERE TO
BOTH THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS
WHERE YOU ARE SAYING, YES, HE
WAS INVOLVED.
WE HAVE REPORTING ON THAT.
AND THEN YOU ARE REFERRING TO
MISLEADING CONGRESS.
AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT LAUNDRY
LIST OF NAMES YOU JUST MENTIONED
WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN ON THAT
PRESENTATION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> YES.
AGAIN, THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO
MAKE IS THAT EVERYBODY LIES FOR
DONALD.
AND ITS OKAY TO LIE.
>> YEAH.
>> SO LONG AS THERE IS NO
DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IN ORDER TO
BACK UP THE OPPOSITE.
AND MY POINT TO YOU AND TO YOUR
LISTENERS AND TO YOUR VIEWERS IS
THAT THAT INFORMATION IS ALREADY
IN THE HANDS OF THOSE PEOPLE
THAT ARE SEEKING THE COOPERATION
OF ALLEN WEISSELBERG.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ARI, I ALWAYS SAY
SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.
I BELIEVE ALLEN HAS ALREADY
COOPERATED AND IS ACTIVELY
COOPERATING WITH THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS OFFICE.
I TRULY BELIEVE IT BECAUSE AT
THE END OF THE DAY --
>> WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR
THAT?
>> NOTHING.
JUST A PERSONAL BELIEF.
CONSIDERING ALLEN DOES NOT WANT
THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO
ME TO HAPPEN TO HIM AND TO HIS
CHILDREN.
AGAIN, ALLEN IS DISSECTING IT
AND LOOKING AT IT FROM A
REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS NEW
YORK TIMES STORY, WERE YOU ONE
OF THE WITNESS SOURCES FOR IT?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I REALLY
DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, WHAT ROLE I PLAYED SO FAR
IN TERMS OF THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS INVESTIGATION OR SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE
ASKED ME.
AND JUST TO GO BACK ONE STEP
WHEN I SAID THAT I BELIEVE HES
ALREADY COOPERATING, WE ALSO
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS THATS
ALREADY OUT THERE.
THEY BROUGHT IN JEFF McCONNEY,
THE ASSISTANT CONTROLLER, A MAN
THAT WORKED SOLELY FOR ALLEN
WEISSELBERG FOR 30 SOME ODD
YEARS.
DOESNT WANT TO GO TO PRISON
EITHER.
DO YOU THINK HE WOULD
CORROBORATE EVIDENCE THEY HAD ON
ALLEN WEISSELBERG AND NOW THEY
ARE PRESENTING IT TO ALLEN
SAYING, LISTEN, YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO WIN THIS.
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.
YOU ARE NOT.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE YOU.
WE HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW YOU
RECEIVED COMPENSATION, YOUR SON,
YOUR OTHER SON REGARDING LOANS
MADE TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
YOU ARE REALLY IN A -- AS ALLEN
WEISSELBERG, HIS FAVORITE WORD,
YOU HAVE A CONUNDRUM.
>> HE WOULD SAY CONUNDRUM A LOT.
THIS IS A CONUNDRUM AND THEN
SOME.
I THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE
WITNESS PROBLEM THAT MR.
WEISSELBERG WOULD APPEAR TO HAVE
IS THAT EVERYONE AROUND HIM, HIS
PEERS AND SUBORDINATES,
INCLUDING THE GENTLEMAN YOU
MENTIONED, IF THEYRE
COOPERATING OR PROVIDING
INFORMATION, ACCORDING TO THE
EVIDENCE, THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR
WEISSELBERG.
THEN YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP WHO
IS NOT KNOWN TO SWOOP IN AND DO
A SWING TO HELP HIM WHO HAVE
EMBATTLED LEGAL PLANS EVEN ON
HIS BEHALF.
I SAY THAT KNOWING THAT OBVIOUS
PRESENT LIVED EXPERIENCE, WHICH
I THINK OUR VIEWERS KNOW ABOUT
YOU, MICHAEL.
>> I ASKED THAT ABOUT THE TIMES
STORY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE RIGHT.
ITS MY JOB TO ASK THE
QUESTIONS.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THIS
STORY THAT STRUCK YOU AS OFF
BASE OR DIFFERENT FROM YOUR
EXPERIENCE?
OR DID THE STORY STRIKE YOU AS
ACCURATE?
BECAUSE IF THE STORY IS ACCURATE
IN THE MAIN, IT WOULD SUGGEST
THAT THE DAS OFFICE HAS MOVED
PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN IN
PRESENTING THE CASE ON
WEISSELBERG.
THEYRE GETTING TO THE HAM
SANDWICH PHASE.
BUT THEYRE PAST THAT POINT OF
NO RETURN.
IM CURIOUS AGAIN IN YOURE
CLOSE TO IT IF YOU FOUND IT
BROADLY ACCURATE.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS PHENOMENAL
REPORTING BY "THE NEW YORK
TIMES."
THERE WAS NOTHING IN THERE THAT
I FOUND TO BE INACCURATE.
IT WAS A WELL WRITTEN, IT WAS A
WELL SOURCED PIECE, AND, YES, I
HAVE SAID IT ON YOUR SHOW AS
WELL.
I BELIEVE INDICTMENTS START
FLYING EVEN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN
THE NEXT 30 -- I CALLED IT.
I SAID BEFORE SUMMER.
AND I DO BELIEVE STILL THAT YOU
ARE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THE LOW
HANGING FRUIT INDICTMENTS
BECAUSE, LOOK, AT THE END OF THE
DAY, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT
ALLEN WEISSLE BERLGIES LEISSELBE
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT
ULTIMATELY GETTING TO DONALD
TRUMP HIMSELF.
THERE IS DON JR.
THERE IS IVANKA.
THERE IS JARED.
THERE IS ERIC.
THERES, YOU KNOW, THERE IS
RUDY.
THERE IS A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
THIS IS NOT JUST, HEY, LETS
FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLIP ALLEN
WEISSELBERG BECAUSE ALLEN
WEISSELBERG IS THE KEY.
ALLEN WEISSELBERG IS A KEY, BUT
HE IS NOT THE SOLE KEY.
AND THATS WHY I BELIEVE THAT HE
IS GOING TO PROVIDE WHATEVER
INFORMATION THAT THE DAS OFFICE
WANTS BECAUSE IF HE DOESNT AND
DOESNT CAPTURE THE IMMUNITY,
SOMEBODY ELSE WILL GIVE IT.
ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE.
>> YEAH.
MICHAEL COHEN, I THINK PLENTY OF